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[1st amg]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The bottom line is that Hamilton didn't want to go for the Apex because he wanted 1 of 2 outcomes:

1. push Max out wide and off the track

2. contact with Max who had a 33 pt. advantage.

Both would work out better for Hamilton as long as he was able to keep going in the race.

With regard to what some have commented about LeClerc giving a wide berth is erroneous because toward the end of race the track surface is not in the same condition as the beginning of the race. Leclerc was in the marbles and Hamilton on the much more rubbered in racing line. Leclerc simply lost grip out in the gray matter.

I agree


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[BobMartian]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The bottom line is that Hamilton didn't want to go for the Apex because he wanted 1 of 2 outcomes:

1. push Max out wide and off the track

2. contact with Max who had a 33 pt. advantage.

Both would work out better for Hamilton as long as he was able to keep going in the race.

With regard to what some have commented about LeClerc giving a wide berth is erroneous because toward the end of race the track surface is not in the same condition as the beginning of the race. Leclerc was in the marbles and Hamilton on the much more rubbered in racing line. Leclerc simply lost grip out in the gray matter.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

The bottom line is that Hamilton didn't want to go for the Apex because he wanted 1 of 2 outcomes:

1. push Max out wide and off the track

2. contact with Max who had a 33 pt. advantage.

Both would work out better for Hamilton as long as he was able to keep going in the race.

With regard to what some have commented about LeClerc giving a wide berth is erroneous because toward the end of race the track surface is not in the same condition as the beginning of the race. Leclerc was in the marbles and Hamilton on the much more rubbered in racing line. Leclerc simply lost grip out in the gray matter.

My

Possibly #1 onto kerbs - But no to #2.

On last point…
Yep, once LEC didn’t cover into T9 he was left to the marbles and did a great job countering a snap as he lost grip. But he also knew that was a corner not to slam the door shut.


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[huncho]

it is funny how much extra hate lewis gets for anything he does. whether it was right or wrong, senna did this all the time and brundle even talks about it all the time saying senna would put you in a position where if you defend you'll crash, and if you don't then he beat you psychologically because he knew he'd be able to do it every time. somehow senna was a genius and praised for this and lewis is just a "cheater" trying to get a cheap win. also can't forget how senna actually did the same thing to prost but with the pure goal of actually dq'ing him just so he could win the championship

i think if it was reversed here a lot of people would be scrambling to find excuses for max because he's such a talented up and comer that is allowed to pull off dangerous moves for whatever reason

[walds11]

Nasty crash anyway you dice it. Not sure if I can post this video, but search for “VERSTAPPEN FULL TEAM RADIO AFTER HIS MASSIVE CRASH WITH LEWIS HAMILTON! | 2021 British GP” by F1Fun4u on YouTube. It was painful to listen to.

[77T]

Originally Posted by walds11

Nasty crash anyway you dice it. Not sure if I can post this video, but search for “VERSTAPPEN FULL TEAM RADIO AFTER HIS MASSIVE CRASH WITH LEWIS HAMILTON! | 2021 British GP” by F1Fun4u in YouTube. It was painful to listen to.

Yes - that was an audio clip I guess someone captured before the feed to repeaters was cut.

If you look at other YT link (the spectator video) you’ll see 2 marshals run right to edge of tire wall.

I just wish they had carried a fire bottle in case it became a Grosjean incident.


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[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by huncho

it is funny how much extra hate lewis gets for anything he does. whether it was right or wrong, senna did this all the time and brundle even talks about it all the time saying senna would put you in a position where if you defend you'll crash, and if you don't then he beat you psychologically because he knew he'd be able to do it every time. somehow senna was a genius and praised for this and lewis is just a "cheater" trying to get a cheap win. also can't forget how senna actually did the same thing to prost but with the pure goal of actually dq'ing him just so he could win the championship

i think if it was reversed here a lot of people would be scrambling to find excuses for max because he's such a talented up and comer that is allowed to pull off dangerous moves for whatever reason

It's a different era and Senna taking both he and Prost out so he could secure the championship at the time was outrageous to me at least.

How much "hate" did Schumacher get for these exact tactics? Or perhaps the hate he got for team orders when Ruben's let Schumacher through. As I'm watching today I think back about all the hand wringing that was done in the 90's when this was going on and today... nothing... Hamilton pulled a Schumacher today plain and simple and Bottas again let's him through and no mention of that.

Hungary is going to be special.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by SDGT3

It's a different era and Senna taking both he and Prost out so he could secure the championship at the time was outrageous to me at least.

How much "hate" did Schumacher get for these exact tactics? Or perhaps the hate he got for team orders when Ruben's let Schumacher through. As I'm watching today I think back about all the hand wringing that was done in the 90's when this was going on and today... nothing... Hamilton pulled a Schumacher today plain and simple and Bottas again let's him through and no mention of that.

Hungary is going to be special.

i don't think lewis went into that corner with the intention of crashing max personally. i think it was a racing incident and ended unfortunately, but max is too aggressive and hot headed to let anyone beat him in his own game. there have been instances in the past (this season even) where max made the same move on lewis and lewis pulled out to let him. horner is the main reason all of this is getting blown up, in his eyes max can do no wrong and any and all aggressive driving is encouraged by them because he's the only chance they have at winning again

[SDGT3]

Originally Posted by huncho

i don't think lewis went into that corner with the intention of crashing max personally. i think it was a racing incident and ended unfortunately, but max is too aggressive and hot headed to let anyone beat him in his own game. there have been instances in the past (this season even) where max made the same move on lewis and lewis pulled out to let him. horner is the main reason all of this is getting blown up, in his eyes max can do no wrong and any and all aggressive driving is encouraged by them because he's the only chance they have at winning again

Intentions are difficult to predict but Lewis certainly had less to lose so even if he puts Max off track or he loses momentum, all he needs is to be in front at the end of the 1st lap and Hamilton's straight line speed advantage would most likely indicate that Max could not repass. The Sprint Qualifying results may have had a bigger factor in his "positioning" his car 4' off the apex than if it didn't.

The post race interviews with Jensen Button were revealing in that he indicated that Max did leave Lewis more than sufficient room, but Lewis did not take it and either purposely put his car more mid track or had more understeer than expected. Ultimately the penalty was hardly a penalty when given the totality of the results and how it affected the race/championship.

I heard Horner's interview after the race and he made good points, but ultimately there's probably nothing that will be done after today. With regard to Helmet Marko, he makes Gunther Steiner sound sane!

As it relates to Max, he'll learn from this and adjust. He's never been in a position where he's leading the WDC by 33 points. Hindsight is 20/20 and even though the race stewards found in his favor, at the end of the day, they're only separated by 8 points now. Knowing Max may not be able to pass Hamilton on the straights, maybe you go with tire strategy and an undercut, maybe this was just not going to be your day and you "settle" for 2nd place points. It's too early to think about this and a 23 year old is going to go for the kill every time, but sometimes you take what they give you and go forward.

[BobMartian]

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sp...ts-2021-07-19/

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by BobMartian

https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sp...ts-2021-07-19/

Unacceptable behaviour


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[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Verstappen got Verstappened to be honest. Hamilton never lifted, if the roles were reversed, (Verstappen on the inside) he would have forced Hamilton off by not lifting. If he doesn't like drivers driving like him, he should stay clear of them. Neither of them are Angels, let them race.

This was written 5 years ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/37210411

Everyone knows how reckless Max is. Just ask Hamilton, Ocon, Kimi, Botas or Riccardo to name a few. Max only does good when he’s out front by himself.
If he’s going wheel to wheel through the turns with someone, it nearly always ends in a crash or the other driver backs off to let him through to avoid damage.
I thought he was maturing but it’s clear all that has happened is that he’s been out front without challenge so he’s been out of trouble.
If he’s going to be one of the next F1 greats like people expect, he won’t make it by reckless intimidation.

Just when I was starting to like him, he’s still the same old Crashstappen.

Originally Posted by huncho

it is funny how much extra hate lewis gets for anything he does. whether it was right or wrong, senna did this all the time and brundle even talks about it all the time saying senna would put you in a position where if you defend you'll crash, and if you don't then he beat you psychologically because he knew he'd be able to do it every time. somehow senna was a genius and praised for this and lewis is just a "cheater" trying to get a cheap win. also can't forget how senna actually did the same thing to prost but with the pure goal of actually dq'ing him just so he could win the championship

i think if it was reversed here a lot of people would be scrambling to find excuses for max because he's such a talented up and comer that is allowed to pull off dangerous moves for whatever reason

The Lewis haters are strong and in effect as soon as Lewis wins. If he didn’t recover from the ten seconds and ended mid pack, people would be happy, but since he recovered the deficit with his superb driving and championship car, it wasn’t enough, ban him.
Look how much activity this thread got when Lewis wins lols.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Unacceptable behaviour


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Appalling, and people say he’s making it up or that he exaggerates about his experiences.

[Highend7]

Yes I'm a Lewis fan and I'm sure glad he won. But from a non biased point of view, Max is just too reckless and intimidating. That's just something he should drop if he's to get the recognition deserved.

[Token74]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Appalling, and people say he’s making it up or that he exaggerates about his experiences.

Disgusts me, something has to be done about these racist cowards.


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[Lol-x]

Whenever Hamilton gets criticism the spin turns it into "Lewis hate".

After the crash, Hamilton said on the radio, "I was in front" trying to justify his action. Fact is he was never in front.

Hamilton's car not damaged at all.......what a miracle

Then Hamilton runs the spin that Verstappen is an aggressive driver, so that gives him the mandate to do what he did.

Hamilton seems to be drinking from the same trough as his best buddy Tom Cruise.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Highend7

Yes I'm a Lewis fan and I'm sure glad he won. But from a non biased point of view, Max is just too reckless and intimidating. That's just something he should drop if he's to get the recognition deserved.

Couldn’t agree more, IMO he has a really bad attitude and lack of respect to the other drivers.


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[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Whenever Hamilton gets criticism the spin turns it into "Lewis hate".

After the crash, Hamilton said on the radio, "I was in front" trying to justify his action. Fact is he was never in front.

Hamilton's car not damaged at all.......what a miracle

Then Hamilton runs the spin that Verstappen is an aggressive driver, so that gives him the mandate to do what he did.

Hamilton seems to be drinking from the same trough as his best buddy Tom Cruise.

If you watch the replay in slow motion you can see Verstappen turn the wheel away from Hamilton and then turn back right across his line. Verstappen expected Hamilton to brake and drop back.


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[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by AshAP

If you watch the replay in slow motion you can see Verstappen turn the wheel away from Hamilton and then turn back right across his line. Verstappen expected Hamilton to brake and drop back.


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That made me bust out laughing.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by AshAP

If you watch the replay in slow motion you can see Verstappen turn the wheel away from Hamilton and then turn back right across his line. Verstappen expected Hamilton to brake and drop back.


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At these speed at that corner steering corrections are in microseconds based on feedback.

The correction was not ‘turning back across his line’.

H had space between V and the apex but went wide when not at the apex.

V is accused of being aggressive but in this instance his only goal was to pull away from H as quickly as he could.

H’s only goal was to pass V ASAP.

Who is the aggressor in this instance?

A difficult decision for the stewards, IMO 60/40 in favour of V.

FYI.
I’m not a fan for V or H.

I hope V is ok.

[Speedbird-1]

Damon Hill, has just said,"racing incident"....and he knows better than most people here about the subject.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

Damon Hill, has just said,"racing incident"....and he knows better than most people here about the subject.

I’m not surprised that had said that after his similar incident with Michael Schumacher in the 1994 Australian season finale.

I was there on track and watched Hill do much the same.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by Andad

I’m not surprised that had said that after his similar incident with Michael Schumacher in the 1994 Australian season finale.

I was there on track and watched Hill do much the same.

You were there 'on track' and racing and saw the Cheating German lose it, hit the barrier and then deliberately and with malice aforethought cut across and into our Brave Damon Hill to stop him taking the lead and winning the race and Championship!?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

You were there 'on track' and racing and saw the Cheating German lose it, hit the barrier and then deliberately and with malice aforethought cut across and into our Brave Damon Hill to stop him taking the lead and winning the race and Championship!?

That is not exactly how I saw it.

[zama]

Lewis needed a miracle to get back into the championship, so he made one. Really disappointed in the fans cheering a shocking accident. Lewis probably learnt the technique from Jeremy 3min mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyamlGlrERQ

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by Andad

That is not exactly how I saw it.

Had it been, the great Alan Jones taken out...you might have!




How are things down there Eddie....all safe and well, I hope?

We've got Aussie winter weather up here at the mo'..........30oC for a week!!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

You were there 'on track' and racing and saw the Cheating German lose it, hit the barrier and then deliberately and with malice aforethought cut across and into our Brave Damon Hill to stop him taking the lead and winning the race and Championship!?

Interesting wording ...

Look at the list, can't find Damon Hill

[Speedbird-1]

Can't find Max Verst there either........not even 1, unlike our plucky hero the completely lovely Formula 1 Drivers Championship Winner, and all round, nice bloke, Damon Hill.



When is the next Helvetica Grand Prix?
Such a choice of circuits too!


I hear they still have Hillclimbs......hard not to, I suspect.

[77T]

Originally Posted by JessyKares

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This isn’t the place for that - your post history indicates you have some ulterior motives…can you explain?

[77T]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Interesting wording ...

Look at the list, can't find Damon Hill

I don’t know where you get your stuff - but when I read my stuff I see Damon Hill won WDC in 1996…