New Style GMT Quality Issues

[dba]

Originally Posted by 123Blueface

So none of the other responses are on point or just don’t support the loupe?
Also, since none of those others are on point, are they all responses by jerks?

Interesting food for thought. Seems a lot of these types of conversations are occurring throughout the country. Don't like the answer, the person providing said answer is a jerk. That solves it.

[Muxi]

Originally Posted by jonnyz1245

Very well said Tom and I agree 100%

I agree. I answered his question by citing an example of my own watches’ imperfections under a loupe and that I chose not to fixate on it.

[blada4life]

Good news for you. Your watch will be worth more now. It’s an error hand


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[Steerpike999]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

Thanks Victor, of all the replies yours was the only one in topic. Most days these forums are full of jerks, thanks for the info I will check it out.

Or Perhaps a lot of people here have been through the same thing and have decided that life is too short to obsess about things that you can't see without a loupe?
Lumping everyone into the same basket is not right just because they may say what you don't want to hear.

[SS Oyster]

I have not “looped” my BLRO, so I don’t know. Since I bought from AD, it’s not like I needed to make sure it was real.


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[mbrown55]

So to all who said put the loupe away and enjoy the watch on the wrist: I would never have parted with hard earned cash if I didn’t know how to enjoy my purchases. I enjoy examining watches to a fine detail, with rolexes i often go into my lab and look at them under extreme magnification and marvel at the detail and craftsmanship. So all of you who said that rolexes should never be examined under a loupe, go stay under your rocks. as far as haute horology is concerned Rolex is at the top of the game. I have 7, my wife has 5 and my children have several and i enjoy examining them under fine scrutiny. So go screw yourselves if you want to disparage Rolex quality, go to another forum. I was asking a question if anyone had noticed any quality issues on a particular model and dozens thought that they could chime in with very uninformed opinions. EVERY mass produced product have flaws and its the flaws that make them unique. I love going to my friends garage and looking at his 69 Ferrari and i look at it with the curiosity of a police detective. We love exploring the things done right and the things that slipped through. I will look at my Rolexes under high magnification, i will document the things done perfect and the things that could have been done better. This is horology. I’m about done with forums because they are dominated by idiots.

[pepsiretail]

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

I have a new BLRO and under a loupe there is a defect in the paint on the GMT hand. Someone on a FB forum who has a BLNR noticed a similar defect in the GMT hand. Anyone else have anything similar to report on the painted GMT hands of the newer models? Its the only defect I've ever been able to detect on my Rolexes.

Put the loupe away

[Rocket_Man]

Hi... I guess I'm another jerk on here. I think what all the other jerks are saying is that a Rolex is just not going to be perfect. Maybe it is about expectations versus reality. Yes they are expensive items, but not perfect. I have a loupe and I use it on occasion to remove links since I can't see the tip of the screw driver and slot of the pin with my bear eyes anymore. I have looked at the dial and find imperfections but they just don't bother me. When I bought the diamond for my wife's engagement ring I went for perfect cut, but comprised on Clarity and chose an I1 stone. Many jewelers don't carry I1 stones, but it saved thousands on the stone which allowed a larger size stone. I could not see the defect with my eyes, and barely with a loupe, so it didn't make a difference to us.

I use the same logic with my watches. I don't expect perfection, I'm not disappointed. But it is an amazing little machine with hundreds of parts that sits on my wrist and gets power to operate by the movement of my hands and barely skips a few ticks a day out of millions. That is what I admire about the watch.

So I'm off to go screw myself now.

[daOnlyBG]

I may have to disagree with a lot of people here. I've taken a 8-10x loop to my 16700 GMT and marveled at how many things Rolex actually got right and precise.

The only thing that doesn't look 100% consistent might have to be the tritium application, but it doesn't bother me one iota; I'd like to think that's the "fingerprint" of the watch itself.

I say take whatever loupe you want, and as long as it's not a blatant detail contortion or manufacturing mistake, revel in the subtle errors that make it your watch and not a catalog piece.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

So to all who said put the loupe away and enjoy the watch on the wrist: I would never have parted with hard earned cash if I didn’t know how to enjoy my purchases. I enjoy examining watches to a fine detail, with rolexes i often go into my lab and look at them under extreme magnification and marvel at the detail and craftsmanship. So all of you who said that rolexes should never be examined under a loupe, go stay under your rocks. as far as haute horology is concerned Rolex is at the top of the game. I have 7, my wife has 5 and my children have several and i enjoy examining them under fine scrutiny. So go screw yourselves if you want to disparage Rolex quality, go to another forum. I was asking a question if anyone had noticed any quality issues on a particular model and dozens thought that they could chime in with very uninformed opinions. EVERY mass produced product have flaws and its the flaws that make them unique. I love going to my friends garage and looking at his 69 Ferrari and i look at it with the curiosity of a police detective. We love exploring the things done right and the things that slipped through. I will look at my Rolexes under high magnification, i will document the things done perfect and the things that could have been done better. This is horology. I’m about done with forums because they are dominated by idiots.

Relax, I accepted a long time ago that Rolex is sloppy and often wondered why but somehow it doesn't bother me.

Looking at macros from Grand Seiko gave me a whole new insight in true watch manufacturers.

[Tokyo Mike]

Seems your attitude is and the chip on your shoulder, is the problem. Not the paint.

[Mike Jab]

Many threads on the subject already, i would say don't look at your watches too closely, wear them and enjoy them for what they are!

[peterpl]

Hahahaaha 2 lessons here

1) Never ever look at your Rolex under a loupe or magnification.
2) These watches are not THAT high quality - in fact compared to other brands it would be sloppy. I would never pay over retail let alone $1000s over retail for ANY Rolex. They are simply not worth it

[Ian Macdermott]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

So to all who said put the loupe away and enjoy the watch on the wrist: I would never have parted with hard earned cash if I didn’t know how to enjoy my purchases. I enjoy examining watches to a fine detail, with rolexes i often go into my lab and look at them under extreme magnification and marvel at the detail and craftsmanship. So all of you who said that rolexes should never be examined under a loupe, go stay under your rocks. as far as haute horology is concerned Rolex is at the top of the game. I have 7, my wife has 5 and my children have several and i enjoy examining them under fine scrutiny. So go screw yourselves if you want to disparage Rolex quality, go to another forum. I was asking a question if anyone had noticed any quality issues on a particular model and dozens thought that they could chime in with very uninformed opinions. EVERY mass produced product have flaws and its the flaws that make them unique. I love going to my friends garage and looking at his 69 Ferrari and i look at it with the curiosity of a police detective. We love exploring the things done right and the things that slipped through. I will look at my Rolexes under high magnification, i will document the things done perfect and the things that could have been done better. This is horology. I’m about done with forums because they are dominated by idiots.

Good grief.

How rude.

[Masteryacht]

Originally Posted by ras47

If you want those truly hand-crafted details you have to pay Patek prices. Rolex parts are mass produced and there are bound to be minor flaws. That's the difference between a $12,000 watch and a $25,000+ watch. But to my eye, without a loupe, Rolex quality is very good. Not perfect, but good. Good enough, and the difference in quality between Rolex and Patek (insert any super premium brand) is not worth the price difference. I'm a tool watch kind of guy so I'm not looking for perfection.

Patek has the same sort of issues. I’ve seen many a photo where the chronograph seconds hand doesn’t reset to dead on 12.

[MARTIN26]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

So to all who said put the loupe away and enjoy the watch on the wrist: I would never have parted with hard earned cash if I didn’t know how to enjoy my purchases. I enjoy examining watches to a fine detail, with rolexes i often go into my lab and look at them under extreme magnification and marvel at the detail and craftsmanship. So all of you who said that rolexes should never be examined under a loupe, go stay under your rocks. as far as haute horology is concerned Rolex is at the top of the game. I have 7, my wife has 5 and my children have several and i enjoy examining them under fine scrutiny. So go screw yourselves if you want to disparage Rolex quality, go to another forum. I was asking a question if anyone had noticed any quality issues on a particular model and dozens thought that they could chime in with very uninformed opinions. EVERY mass produced product have flaws and its the flaws that make them unique. I love going to my friends garage and looking at his 69 Ferrari and i look at it with the curiosity of a police detective. We love exploring the things done right and the things that slipped through. I will look at my Rolexes under high magnification, i will document the things done perfect and the things that could have been done better. This is horology. I’m about done with forums because they are dominated by idiots.

So... you regularly go into your ‘lab’ and look at your watches under extreme magnification. You MUST be on the wind up.

I hope for your sake you’re on the wind up. If you’re not, you are a strange bloke.

[pickettt]

Be glad it’s only paint. I’m more concerned that adjusting the hour hand on a 3186 feels like a $6 watch that’s about to bust at any moment. But back on subject; to the OP, yes, the painting of the 24 hour hand is substandard.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

So go screw yourselves if you want to disparage Rolex quality, go to another forum. I’m about done with forums because they are dominated by idiots.

[Wristwatcherboy]

Rolex is not “haute horology”. It is mass produced. AP and Patek are Haute.

[Bryan81]

I’m wondering if those who say never look at your Rolex with a loupe are the same as those who say to not obsess about scratches, dings, etc.

I occasionally look at my watches with a loupe out of curiosity. (Maybe once a year?) I see details I appreciate and also see some sloppiness, if you can even call it that. The standard trying to be achieved by Rolex isn’t perfection when viewed by a loupe, but near perfection when viewed with the naked eye. I see issues, think it’s interesting and simply don’t obsess about them. Doesn’t bother me a bit.

So, I don’t agree with the advice to never look at your Rolex with a loupe, unless you’re going to be bothered by what you see.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Wristwatcherboy

Rolex is not “haute horology”. It is mass produced. AP and Patek are Haute.

[sillo]

Originally Posted by Bryan81

I occasionally look at my watches with a loupe out of curiosity. (Maybe once a year?) I see details I appreciate and also see some sloppiness, if you can even call it that. The standard trying to be achieved by Rolex isn’t perfection when viewed by a loupe, but near perfection when viewed with the naked eye. I see issues, think it’s interesting and simply don’t obsess about them. Doesn’t bother me a bit.

So, I don’t agree with the advice to never look at your Rolex with a loupe, unless you’re going to be bothered by what you see.

Exactly. I bought these things to look at and I enjoy examining them a little closer from time to time. I've seen a little sloppiness in the printing, but nothing really major that would bother me. The paint on the 24hr hand wouldn't bother me that much on a standard SS piece, I'd just be a little disappointed.

However, I still don't understand how anyone can just say ignore that on the meteorite BLRO. That's a $35,000 watch. $3000 watches have better finishing.

And the meteorite dial is something I'd definitely want to see under a loupe, it probably looks incredible.

[brandrea]

Ibtl

[Mike Jab]

Originally Posted by mbrown55

So to all who said put the loupe away and enjoy the watch on the wrist: I would never have parted with hard earned cash if I didn’t know how to enjoy my purchases. I enjoy examining watches to a fine detail, with rolexes i often go into my lab and look at them under extreme magnification and marvel at the detail and craftsmanship. So all of you who said that rolexes should never be examined under a loupe, go stay under your rocks. as far as haute horology is concerned Rolex is at the top of the game. I have 7, my wife has 5 and my children have several and i enjoy examining them under fine scrutiny. So go screw yourselves if you want to disparage Rolex quality, go to another forum. I was asking a question if anyone had noticed any quality issues on a particular model and dozens thought that they could chime in with very uninformed opinions. EVERY mass produced product have flaws and its the flaws that make them unique. I love going to my friends garage and looking at his 69 Ferrari and i look at it with the curiosity of a police detective. We love exploring the things done right and the things that slipped through. I will look at my Rolexes under high magnification, i will document the things done perfect and the things that could have been done better. This is horology. I’m about done with forums because they are dominated by idiots.

Rolex is not haute horology. And good riddance

[s.m.b.]

Originally Posted by Mike Jab

Rolex is not haute horology. And good riddance

[iheartrolexx]

the quality of rolex is going down. dump your rollie now

[peterskinner]

This whole ‘haute horology’ thing leaves me cold. Hand-finishing a watch may be a nice touch for some. But for me, stuff like durability and precision count for more. I don’t see Rolex as inferior to stuff like Patek in the ways that matter to me.
And I couldn’t care less about tiny flaws invisible to the naked eye...

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

This whole ‘haute horology’ thing leaves me cold. Hand-finishing a watch may be a nice touch for some. But for me, stuff like durability and precision count for more. I don’t see Rolex as inferior to stuff like Patek in the ways that matter to me.
And I couldn’t care less about tiny flaws invisible to the naked eye...

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[j-watch]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

This whole ‘haute horology’ thing leaves me cold. Hand-finishing a watch may be a nice touch for some. But for me, stuff like durability and precision count for more. I don’t see Rolex as inferior to stuff like Patek in the ways that matter to me.
And I couldn’t care less about tiny flaws invisible to the naked eye...

Ding ding ding.....we have a winner!