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exador · 11 November 2018, 05:39 AM

Christie’s Auction House has been caught out photoshopping the watches for their upcoming Rare Watches auction. You can read about it here:

http://chronocentric.com/forums/heue...=read;id=94962

What say you Daytona experts of this one?

Daytonaman799 · 11 November 2018, 06:06 AM

There have been a lot of stories lately about the quality of watches offered by the auction houses and the authenticity of some of the pieces. It makes things quite scary when you are talking about how much so many f these things cost these days.

JacksonStone · 11 November 2018, 06:21 AM

I don't understand what you're asking about the Datona. The controversy is over a listing for a Heuer, and the discrepancy between the written condition report and the associated picture. The report lists a number of flaws, whereas the picture makes the watch look pristine. What does the Daytona have to do with it, and how do you expect people to comment on it without context?

exador · 11 November 2018, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JacksonStone

I don't understand what you're asking about the Datona. The controversy is over a listing for a Heuer, and the discrepancy between the written condition report and the associated picture. The report lists a number of flaws, whereas the picture makes the watch look pristine. What does the Daytona have to do with it, and how do you expect people to comment on it without context?

If Christie’s has photoshopped one watch, then there’s the possibility that they’ve done the same to others. The Daytona above looks to have a clearly airbrushed case side and crown (has the appearance of aluminium when should be steel).

If anyone has a Christie’s account, they might like to ask for a condition report so we can see what the watch really looks like (Lot #109).

MoosicPa · 11 November 2018, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by JacksonStone

I don't understand what you're asking about the Datona. The controversy is over a listing for a Heuer, and the discrepancy between the written condition report and the associated picture. The report lists a number of flaws, whereas the picture makes the watch look pristine. What does the Daytona have to do with it, and how do you expect people to comment on it without context?

I believe the OP point is that if they photoshopped the Heuer, maybe they did the same with the Daytona.

RJRJRJ · 11 November 2018, 06:59 AM

Looks like they tried to show parts of the Daytona in original condition to make it look legit, while clearly editing areas they didn't want to draw your attention to.

JacksonStone · 11 November 2018, 07:03 AM

The case sides do look odd, but that could partly be because it was taken in a lightbox. Polished textures and flaws become very hard to spot because the flat lighting washes them out, which is why I think a lot of pre-owned sellers use lightboxes for their listings. That said, the sides look artificial even for lightbox lighting. Is that a listing photo, or an advertisement? As you say, a written condition report would help.

Nikrnic · 11 November 2018, 08:09 AM

Is this getting to be like classic car auctions? TOO MANY

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subtona · 11 November 2018, 08:14 AM

So many pitfalls with vintage watches.

Nick M · 11 November 2018, 11:30 AM

The sides of the case have very clearly been photoshopped - you can see the brush lines! Very alarming for an auction house or this status.

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Abdullah71601 · 12 November 2018, 01:12 AM

The reflection in the pusher looks like the crown is unscrewed, but the crown is screwed down in the image.

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Originally Posted by Nick M

The sides of the case have very clearly been photoshopped - you can see the brush lines! Very alarming for an auction house or this status.

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capote · 12 November 2018, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

The reflection in the pusher looks like the crown is unscrewed, but the crown is screwed down in the image.

Good catch

Valenciawatchrepair · 12 November 2018, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

The reflection in the pusher looks like the crown is unscrewed, but the crown is screwed down in the image.

That's sort of a known technique. You pull the crown out to stop the watch. This keeps you from ending up with a blurred sweep hand, since shots like that usually require a smaller aperture and long shutter speeds.

Abdullah71601 · 12 November 2018, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

That's sort of a known technique. You pull the crown out to stop the watch. This keeps you from ending up with a blurred sweep hand, since shots like that usually require a smaller aperture and long shutter speeds.

Except the crown isn't out in this picture. The pusher image was shopped onto this image. Christie's needs to be in the Watchout! forum. This is clearly a scam auction.

Valenciawatchrepair · 12 November 2018, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

Except the crown isn't out in this picture. The pusher image was shopped onto this image. Christie's needs to be in the Watchout! forum. This is clearly a scam auction.

Sorry, I didn't explain. But, you pull the crown out, take the shot, and then in photoshop, you "move" the crown back to the closed position. They just didn't edit the reflection.

AzHadEnuf · 13 November 2018, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Valenciawatchrepair

That's sort of a known technique. You pull the crown out to stop the watch. This keeps you from ending up with a blurred sweep hand, since shots like that usually require a smaller aperture and long shutter speeds.

I could be mistaken, but I’m pretty sure Valjoux movements back then didn’t hack. Pull the crown and they keep running.

77T · 11 November 2018, 11:45 AM

If it is photoshopped then do we believe they artist went back and randomly digitally applied dots and dust to the brushed surface?

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RJRJRJ · 11 November 2018, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

If it is photoshopped then do we believe they artist went back and randomly digitally applied dots and dust to the brushed surface?

[IMG]https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181111/5eab3917720a2540248e62f721293371.png[/G]

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You can easily edit a photo while leaving textures and markings completely in tact.

Nick M · 12 November 2018, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by 77T

If it is photoshopped then do we believe they artist went back and randomly digitally applied dots and dust to the brushed surface?

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No need to fake the detail or randomly apply. An overlay brush with a bit of transparency on the layer in PS will do the trick. It will preserve major details while providing a smoothing effect.

77T · 12 November 2018, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nick M

No need to fake the detail or randomly apply. An overlay brush with a bit of transparency on the layer in PS will do the trick. It will preserve major details while providing a smoothing effect.

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Originally Posted by RJRJRJ

You can easily edit a photo while leaving textures and markings completely in tact.

Thanks guys - I forgot about the opacity control altogether. I agree those dots I enlarged would have still shown through.

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Glidelock · 11 November 2018, 11:46 AM

Although not surprising, this is certainly disturbing and ethically disappointing!

Wcdhtwn · 11 November 2018, 12:37 PM

The sub-dial at 6:00 shouldn't be distorted. The crystal wouldn't make it appear that way from this camera angle.

exador · 11 November 2018, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

The sub-dial at 6:00 shouldn't be distorted. The crystal wouldn't make it appear that way from this camera angle.

I think that’s OK. Here’s a picture of the actual Paul Newman Daytona.

exador · 11 November 2018, 12:58 PM

Lot #153. Look at the perfect case!

And yes, these are actual catalogue photos that people are supposed to base their bids on.

henrylee · 11 November 2018, 01:08 PM

Not a fan of photoshop watches bc you think your buying a perfect watch and get something different.

zengineer · 11 November 2018, 02:26 PM

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Not a fan of photoshop watches bc you think your buying a perfect watch and get something different.

Thanks for explaining that, we all thought it had to do with global warming.

Chiboy · 11 November 2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by zengineer

Thanks for explaining that, we all thought it had to do with global warming.

Man, that dial is beautiful though...

bayerische · 12 November 2018, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zengineer

Thanks for explaining that, we all thought it had to do with global warming.

HogwldFLTR · 11 November 2018, 02:34 PM

They could have at least fixed the endlink fit!!! I'm disappointed!!!

Fleetlord · 11 November 2018, 05:42 PM

These computated photos are garbage.

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11 November 2018, 05:39 AM	#1
exador Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: NZ Posts: 2,600	Christie’s Photoshop Scandal Christie’s Auction House has been caught out photoshopping the watches for their upcoming Rare Watches auction. You can read about it here: http://chronocentric.com/forums/heue...=read;id=94962 What say you Daytona experts of this one?

11 November 2018, 06:06 AM	#2
Daytonaman799 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NYC/South Fl Watch: Rolex, Patek Posts: 3,499	There have been a lot of stories lately about the quality of watches offered by the auction houses and the authenticity of some of the pieces. It makes things quite scary when you are talking about how much so many f these things cost these days.

11 November 2018, 06:21 AM	#3
JacksonStone Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,150	I don't understand what you're asking about the Datona. The controversy is over a listing for a Heuer, and the discrepancy between the written condition report and the associated picture. The report lists a number of flaws, whereas the picture makes the watch look pristine. What does the Daytona have to do with it, and how do you expect people to comment on it without context?

11 November 2018, 06:59 AM	#6
RJRJRJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,496	Looks like they tried to show parts of the Daytona in original condition to make it look legit, while clearly editing areas they didn't want to draw your attention to.

11 November 2018, 07:03 AM	#7
JacksonStone Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,150	The case sides do look odd, but that could partly be because it was taken in a lightbox. Polished textures and flaws become very hard to spot because the flat lighting washes them out, which is why I think a lot of pre-owned sellers use lightboxes for their listings. That said, the sides look artificial even for lightbox lighting. Is that a listing photo, or an advertisement? As you say, a written condition report would help.

11 November 2018, 08:09 AM	#8
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,158	Is this getting to be like classic car auctions? TOO MANY Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

11 November 2018, 11:30 AM	#10
Nick M "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 228	The sides of the case have very clearly been photoshopped - you can see the brush lines! Very alarming for an auction house or this status. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "When a man has a world in his hands, you expect to find a Rolex on his wrist."

11 November 2018, 11:46 AM	#21
Glidelock "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Will Zdorf Location: So. Cal. Watch: SDC4000, Sub LVC Posts: 1,941	Although not surprising, this is certainly disturbing and ethically disappointing!

11 November 2018, 12:37 PM	#22
Wcdhtwn "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Houston Watch: SkyD, SD43, GMT2 Posts: 4,975	The sub-dial at 6:00 shouldn't be distorted. The crystal wouldn't make it appear that way from this camera angle.

11 November 2018, 12:58 PM	#24
exador Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: NZ Posts: 2,600	Lot #153. Look at the perfect case! And yes, these are actual catalogue photos that people are supposed to base their bids on.

11 November 2018, 05:42 PM	#30
Fleetlord "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 5,910	These computated photos are garbage.

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