2014 Sea-Dweller 4000

[roadie1]

Originally Posted by subtona

cyclops would compromise the watch pressure tolerance at the deepest depths.

I thought it was because of the thicker crystal? Isn't the cyclops applied the the outside rather than molded into the crystal on the other models?

[Maxy]

My 2 cents

Ideal situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 42mm diameter - US $10500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000

Current Situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $11500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000


Honestly, this makes proper sense. All 3 choices of watches with different diameters and different diving range. If you have SD now at 40mm, its basically similar looks with SubDate without cyclops and you are paying $3k just for diving range which not many really end up using it. Those who want real deep diving watch, they need to end up using Deep Sea which is like 3 times SD range without much price difference.

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by Maxy

My 2 cents

Ideal situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 42mm diameter - US $10500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000

Current Situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $11500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000


Honestly, this makes proper sense. All 3 choices of watches with different diameters and different diving range. If you have SD now at 40mm, its basically similar looks with SubDate without cyclops and you are paying $3k just for diving range which not many really end up using it. Those who want real deep diving watch, they need to end up using Deep Sea which is like 3 times SD range without much price difference.

Agreed. Had they done this then my order for a new SD would already be lodged with my AD

[Jeffa32]

Originally Posted by Maxy

My 2 cents

Ideal situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 42mm diameter - US $10500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000

Current Situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $11500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000


Honestly, this makes proper sense. All 3 choices of watches with different diameters and different diving range. If you have SD now at 40mm, its basically similar looks with SubDate without cyclops and you are paying $3k just for diving range which not many really end up using it. Those who want real deep diving watch, they need to end up using Deep Sea which is like 3 times SD range without much price difference.

Spot on Maxy. My credit card statement would be showing a deposit with a 42mm sea dweller !!!!

[moby33]

Originally Posted by Maxy

My 2 cents

Ideal situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 42mm diameter - US $10500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000

Current Situation:
Submariner Date (300 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $8500
Sea Dweller (1220 meters) - 40mm diameter - US $11500
DeepSea (3900 meters)- 44mm diameter - US $12000


Honestly, this makes proper sense. All 3 choices of watches with different diameters and different diving range. If you have SD now at 40mm, its basically similar looks with SubDate without cyclops and you are paying $3k just for diving range which not many really end up using it. Those who want real deep diving watch, they need to end up using Deep Sea which is like 3 times SD range without much price difference.

Another vote for this (but alas, we're living in fantasy world). Man was I hoping for a 42mm dive watch from Rolex...IMO a 40mm, 42mm & 44mm offering would have been PERFECT as it really would satisfy ALL buyers. I still don't understand how so many people really LOVE the fact the new SD is 40mm...if you're so in love w/ a 40mm watch, then buy the SubC.

But damn Rolex, it won't kill you to offer a little more variety for those of us that want a dive watch slightly bigger than 40mm (and yet don't want to sport a 44mm DSSD...and yes, I was a DSSD owner & daily wearer for almost 4 years, so I know a thing or two about that watch...it's good, just not perfect IMO). A 42mm SD WOULD have been perfect (for me at least).

As is, the new SD4000 is just too simlar to my SubC for me to get excited about it (just like the previous history of the Sub vs. SD)...and therefore I'll happily save my cash by just holding onto my SubC.

And that's my point...Rolex missed the boat on getting guys like me to purchase multiple dive watches. IF a 42mm SD would have been offered more than likely I would have kept my SubC AND purchased a 42mm SD...but seeing as the two models are again so similar, I've got to believe the majority of owners will be just like me in that they will pick one or the other...but not BOTH. I would have been a 'BOTH' owner, but not now with them both being 40mm...just too similar for me to justify that much coin wrapped up in two similar sized watches. Oh well...

[subtona]

Originally Posted by roadie1

I thought it was because of the thicker crystal? Isn't the cyclops applied the the outside rather than molded into the crystal on the other models?

My mistake, You are correct, i dont know what i was thinking
Im so excited with all this basel stuff

[roadie1]

Originally Posted by subtona

My mistake, You are correct, i dont know what i was thinking
Im so excited with all this basel stuff

I'm with ya bro! May have to put in a deposit...

[speedy_master1]

Originally Posted by roadie1

I'm with ya bro! May have to put in a deposit...

Do it I did already.

[Friedl41]

Originally Posted by subtona

My mistake, You are correct, i dont know what i was thinking
Im so excited with all this basel stuff

But still you were right Gus. It is because of the pressure. The surface of the watch is flat to the pressure goes evenly.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Friedl41

But still you were right Gus. It is because of the pressure. The surface of the watch is flat to the pressure goes evenly.

Huh....I highly doubt this is the case. Rolex used to have domed plexis before which weren't flat and now you see in the Deepsea which has a greater depth rating that the crystal is domed, which is said to actually deal with pressure better.
The Sea-Dweller lacks the magnifier supposedly due to the crystal thickness which caused some distortion with magnification, although I've seen a member install one on a DSSD and it didn't seem to really effect magnification.

Rolex appears to have perfected waterproofing a watch so most of what they do is geared towards aesthetics it seems. Flat crystals, no AR, domed crystals...etc.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Friedl41

But still you were right Gus. It is because of the pressure. The surface of the watch is flat to the pressure goes evenly.

See below...

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Huh....I highly doubt this is the case. Rolex used to have domed plexis before which weren't flat and now you see in the Deepsea which has a greater depth rating that the crystal is domed, which is said to actually deal with pressure better.
The Sea-Dweller lacks the magnifier supposedly due to the crystal thickness which caused some distortion with magnification, although I've seen a member install one on a DSSD and it didn't seem to really effect magnification.

Rolex appears to have perfected waterproofing a watch so most of what they do is geared towards aesthetics it seems. Flat crystals, no AR, domed crystals...etc.

Guys i feel like i read the above early on and for a long time found it the best excuse available...eventually someone pointed out e magnification issue due to the thicker crystal & that seemed to make more sense to me

There could still be something to it as far as shape or perhaps its a limiting factor of the glue holding the cyclops on, perhaps the glue wouldn't hold up to the greater pressures at depth but this is purely speculation


Still a fine looking timepiece