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Old 29 July 2019, 01:31 AM   #1
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Advices on a 6610

Hi all!

I’m looking for a 6610 and this example caught my eye. The photos are far from exceptional but from what I see, it seems like a nice original 56’ piece.
I’ve exchanged with the seller who doesn’t seem very knowledgeable about its details but says it hasn’t been touched for 30 years (his father’s watch who was indeed a collector)
So no uv or Geiger counter pics...

As there are no dedicated website to this reference, tracking all its details is not as « easy » as with subs or gmts, so I’d very much appreciate any input one might have

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Old 29 July 2019, 09:28 AM   #2
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Darn it! Now you got me all hot about getting a "birth year" watch, again! (Yes, it's 1956, of course)
Making me want a 6610!! (and I have the excuse that I don't have any Explorer, yet!).
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Old 29 July 2019, 06:01 PM   #3
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This really seemed like a nice one...But I missed it :/

But now I desperately need one of those!


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Old 2 August 2019, 06:05 AM   #4
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Any other opinions on this watch? Did I miss something? It went for 18k$ which seemed rather low from my perspective but maybe I missed something...

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Old 2 August 2019, 05:58 PM   #5
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It looks good to me. A bargain.
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Old 10 August 2019, 04:57 AM   #6
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Staying on the 6610 subject...How does this one look? The dial looks great and the patina uniform but the jour hand seems way longer than on most examples I can find. How come? Is it a replacement one from an other model? Or just a service hand?
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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F273956159532


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Old 10 August 2019, 07:10 AM   #7
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The hour hand on original 6610’s are long. In fact, your first post had an incorrect, shorter hour hand on it.

But the minute hand on the latest one you posted is shorter than it should by a mm or two.

The s/n looks odd to me. Without documentation you’re in a shadowy place with this one. It may be authentic but not 100% original.




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Old 10 August 2019, 08:04 AM   #8
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Thanks! I also saw that early ones had an long neck hour hand...

What seems odd to you about the serial? The range or the typo?




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Old 10 August 2019, 04:17 PM   #9
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“It may be authentic but not 100% original” I agree with this. It’s a possible relume, although a high quality one. Very few 6610’s are this smooth looking if you study them up close. The 6610 dial actually has cut out markers for the lume to be filled in, and usually this is visible. See example below, also from first quarter 1956.

Here you can also see how the hands have aged compared to the one you posted. There will usually be significant radium burn on a authentic 6610 dial, leaving the dial matte instead of glossy, but I have seen anomalies where the dial is fairly intact. There’s also the issue with the short minute hand. I would personally pass on this and wait for a more realistic looking one from a reputable dealer.
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Old 10 August 2019, 05:42 PM   #10
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Yes, I think I will pass too...
The weirdest thing is that the minute hand, although not original to the watch, matches perfectly with the other hands and indexes!

I’m really upset about having missed the first one I posted though...It seemed very nice and went for half of what dealers ask for them nowadays...


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Old 10 August 2019, 05:57 PM   #11
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The seller of this 2nd one did provide a radioactivity picture on a previous auction for this watch...This value would be cohérent with radium original lime, wouldn’t it?




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Old 10 August 2019, 07:53 PM   #12
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Radium is widely used in high end relume jobs. Radium is easily obtained from the lume of other less expensive watches from the same era. I’m not saying this one is definitely relumed, just that the prevalence of radium does not prove that it’s original.
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Old 10 August 2019, 08:08 PM   #13
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Wow! Good to know, thanks, I thought it was a pretty good sign!
I’m surprised it sold below 8k€ though


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Old 11 August 2019, 02:43 AM   #14
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Advices on a 6610

The hands in the eBay watch are not Rolex, hence the low selling price. Hands and dials for these are unobtainium so there’s no way to make it correct.


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Old 22 August 2019, 10:53 PM   #15
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I found a very untouched looking one that has indeed a radium damaged dial. At this point in my search, a glossy dial on a 6610 would seem highly suspicious...

What do you think?



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Look at the numbers..... They scream: 'we are RELUMED'
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Old 23 August 2019, 08:29 PM   #17
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I found a very untouched looking one that has indeed a radium damaged dial. At this point in my search, a glossy dial on a 6610 would seem highly suspicious...

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This looks perfect. I wouldn’t trust an original dial which doesn’t have some radium burn. This one seems very normal and excellent matching hands. In my experience it should glow faintly if you take it into a completely dark room and allow your eyes to adjust. They don’t react to light exposure.


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Old 23 August 2019, 08:54 PM   #18
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Better pics of the dial :



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Old 24 August 2019, 09:08 PM   #19
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Looks great. Caseback date matches and brevet crown? If so then it’s 100%


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Old 26 August 2019, 12:58 AM   #20
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« + » crown and caseback from 1.1958.
Serial in 359xxx
It all seems to match!
Only the bracelet is an American C&I while I would have preferred a Swiss 7206 but that’s not that bad I think...




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Old 26 August 2019, 03:41 AM   #21
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looks better than the funky dial one on ebay atm
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« + » crown and caseback from 1.1958.
Serial in 359xxx
It all seems to match!
Only the bracelet is an American C&I while I would have preferred a Swiss 7206 but that’s not that bad I think...




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Seems perfect. I love the 6610, here’s one of mine:



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Seems perfect. I love the 6610, here’s one of mine:



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Nice one! Congrats!

So you think you’d go for this one if you were looking for one?


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Old 26 August 2019, 08:03 PM   #24
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Nice one! Congrats!

So you think you’d go for this one if you were looking for one?


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For sure - I’d say that’s as good as you’ll get personally. Some polywatch on the crystal will do a good job on it. Or rock it with the scratches - it looks pretty cool like that to me.


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Old 27 August 2019, 05:32 AM   #25
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Thanks for the comment, that’s reassuring!

I like that it doesn’t seem to have been tampered with by xx dealers during its course.

I also find the dial very attractive but I’m having trouble assessing it objectively. Usually, with gmt or sub gilt dials, the cleaner and glossier, the better...But with these, they have to be damaged to some point by the radium and these damage apparently can look very different, I could not find a « gold standard perfect 6610 dial » to compare with...


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Old 27 August 2019, 07:08 AM   #26
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Looks great... Congrats!!
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I would be very suspicious of a ‘more perfect’ dial. All the correct ones I’ve seen have lost the perfect gloss which you still
Find on later tritium dials from the early 60s. There’s all sorts of hanky panky going on to relacquer or touch up with an oil to give it a ‘wet look’. Also these dials can look gloss jet black depending on the lighting and photo tweaking / filters.

Better to have a piece like yours which is unarguably correct than to have some hand waving story about how a dial
Could survive unscathed from 65 years of radium exposure. Congrats!


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This one looks great! Did you buy it?
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Old 3 September 2019, 05:26 AM   #29
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Go for it! The 6610 is one of the most beautiful references Rolex ever made in my opinion. And a very rare one as well.
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Old 3 September 2019, 05:43 AM   #30
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You'll never regret buying a 6610 ...

A great size at 36mm and rare enough to be kinda special IMHO.
And every one of 'em takes on different characteristics as they age.

Here's one I had for many years. Was a sad day when I sold it on
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