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Old 26 January 2018, 01:13 AM   #1
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Gmt - 6542/1675

Want to show you something new and a little bit different.

Case, movement 1958 Ą6542ď, Dial etc., later.

Good documentation, Case stamped 6.xxx.xxx

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Old 26 January 2018, 07:22 AM   #2
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Might want to check your serial number, and if right double check model number.
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Old 26 January 2018, 07:41 AM   #3
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Might want to check your serial number, and if right double check model number.
Sorry, donít understand what you mean?
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Old 26 January 2018, 08:02 AM   #4
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A six million serial number is not in the 1950s. It should be 6 digits not 7 digits.
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Old 26 January 2018, 08:09 AM   #5
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Too many components are from different places. Please share more intimate info regarding te watch.
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Old 26 January 2018, 08:16 AM   #6
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Understand guys. Case is from the 50s - 6542, stamped with a 6 Mio. Number.
Movement also 6542 from 1958.
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Old 26 January 2018, 09:10 AM   #7
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If 6 million it is a service case from the 80’s. Not impossible as all the other parts are replaced.

It’s kind of a fun watch to wear. Enjoy!
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Old 26 January 2018, 09:22 AM   #8
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Understand guys. Case is from the 50s - 6542, stamped with a 6 Mio. Number.
Movement also 6542 from 1958.
How do you have a case with a 6,xxx,xxx serial number and figure it's from the 1950s? If it has 6542 stamped betwteen the lugs, can you show us a pic of that?
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Old 26 January 2018, 09:24 AM   #9
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If 6 million it is a service case from the 80’s. Not impossible as all the other parts are replaced.

It’s kind of a fun watch to wear. Enjoy!
Think this is correct. So they dont stamp the same old number, they take a new number when Rolex is doing this? Would fit with my documentation. So something from both periods.
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Old 26 January 2018, 09:44 AM   #10
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Did they make a service case without crown guards? Also, is there a chapter ring with white lettering as that's what this looks like to me. To be clear, I am not picking, I love learning about these complicated little things!
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Old 26 January 2018, 09:52 AM   #11
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Think this is correct. So they dont stamp the same old number, they take a new number when Rolex is doing this? Would fit with my documentation. So something from both periods.
Please share some pics of the engravings between the lugs. Both sides.

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Did they make a service case without crown guards? Also, is there a chapter ring with white lettering as that's what this looks like to me. To be clear, I am not picking, I love learning about these complicated little things!
Yes. It is a matte service dial. The 6542 service cases I’ve seen have been 4.39 serials but maybe they ran out and numbered new ones. Or this one is wrong or the thread starter reads the serial incorrect. Let’s wait and see.
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Old 26 January 2018, 10:10 AM   #12
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Hope this helps
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Old 26 January 2018, 10:15 AM   #13
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Not really. Show us the engraved serial and ref number. We would like to see font etc if you would want help to authenticate.

Movement looks like a cal 1030. Missing some parts..
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Old 26 January 2018, 10:19 AM   #14
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And this one
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Old 26 January 2018, 10:23 AM   #15
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Don’t mask the number. Show the inner side of the caseback as well since you already opened it.

I’m off to bed but I’m sure there are others around willing to help.
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Old 26 January 2018, 10:37 AM   #16
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Old 26 January 2018, 01:23 PM   #17
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Hmmm... I own a couple of correct 6542s so here are my thoughts:

1. Service SS bezel
2. Service matt SCOC dial
3. service hands
4. Nice insert, appears to be a redback gilt era

What I don’t like:

1. I’ve never seen a 6542 caseback stamped later than 1959. Normally they have the entire year also, ie 1958 etc. this one being 1971 makes me a bit weary.

2. 6 mil serial number is also way out of range for 6542s. 6mil serial isn’t even close to 1971 so the case doesnt match the caseback either.

3. I’ve seen service cases in the late 4.1 mil serial range, but never for 6542s.

4. I dont like the look of the 6542 engraving on the caseback either.

It appears to me that this may be a franken build. I’ve been wrong in the past, but even with this many service parts, the case and caseback do not make sense to me. Would be interested to hear from a few other esteem 6542 owners out there in opinions. Case and caseback may even be a replica phong case or something of the sort, I’ve seen them floating around, but can’t say this for certain without having the watch in hand to inspect it.

Also, I would like to see the entire serial and ref engraving to see if the fonts are correct. This will help better gauge. You also said something about documents and such, what are you referring to, can you show them.

None the less, it looks good, enjoy it.

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Old 26 January 2018, 04:33 PM   #18
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I’ve seen a customised 1675 where crown-guards have been shaved down to resemble a 6542
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Old 26 January 2018, 08:09 PM   #19
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The serial number ...

If the serial number is in fact very late 600k ... rather than 6m ... it would work for a III.61 case back.

But if that's what the OP has, the fact that there are 1675s' out there with the 691k / III.61 configuration might then throw a spanner in the works.

The OP's watch is interesting , needs some research though
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Old 26 January 2018, 08:20 PM   #20
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600k serial would clear up most doubt. The dial, hands, insert etc could work with the replacement caseback from 1971. Still odd as the thread starter continues to say 6m even after it is pointed out. Let’s see those full engravings. And the documentation..

If 6m I would like to see some sort of Rolex papers explaining the case. Otherwise I would start thinking the case is non-Rolex.

My previous 6542’s were more in 3-500k serial bit they did not have STAINLESS STEEL beside the serial. Of vourse 600k is later but just saying.
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Old 26 January 2018, 11:20 PM   #21
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Thanks for your great opinions and thoughts. It’s, I want to grab out the history, it’s like a puzzle for me, some pices are missing, some important pices are existing. Really appreciate your help, also if you don't like the watch ;-)

The paperwork is nearly all from when it was a full 6542. Then, early 80is the change the Case, pretty sure and also pretty sure it was done by Rolex and they gave it the 6 Mio. Number in a replacement case. Has this been done bevor, are similar watches existing?

I will write also when I have more time to the previous owners of the watch if they could help. Bames and adresses are on the papers, mostly service papers. So maybe someone has more infos.
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Old 28 January 2018, 03:38 AM   #22
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Old 28 January 2018, 03:48 AM   #23
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If your in Palm Beach, take a 40 min drive down south of I95 to miami and let me take a look at your piece. I’ll be able to answer all your questions within ten min :) send me a PM if your up for the short drive. Best. E
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Old 28 January 2018, 10:41 PM   #24
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If your in Palm Beach, take a 40 min drive down south of I95 to miami and let me take a look at your piece. Iíll be able to answer all your questions within ten min :) send me a PM if your up for the short drive. Best. E
Hello, thanks for the great offer, but there is no time, sorry. Would love to know your opinion!
But really thank you :-)
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Old 29 January 2018, 11:15 AM   #25
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My thoughts as stated earlier....

My thoughts as stated earlier....

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Hmmm... I own a couple of correct 6542s so here are my thoughts:

1. Service SS bezel
2. Service matt SCOC dial
3. service hands
4. Nice insert, appears to be a redback gilt era

What I donít like:

1. Iíve never seen a 6542 caseback stamped later than 1959. Normally they have the entire year also, ie 1958 etc. this one being 1971 makes me a bit weary.

2. 6 mil serial number is also way out of range for 6542s. 6mil serial isnít even close to 1971 so the case doesnt match the caseback either.

3. Iíve seen service cases in the late 4.1 mil serial range, but never for 6542s.

4. I dont like the look of the 6542 engraving on the caseback either.

It appears to me that this may be a franken build. Iíve been wrong in the past, but even with this many service parts, the case and caseback do not make sense to me. Would be interested to hear from a few other esteem 6542 owners out there in opinions. Case and caseback may even be a replica phong case or something of the sort, Iíve seen them floating around, but canít say this for certain without having the watch in hand to inspect it.

Also, I would like to see the entire serial and ref engraving to see if the fonts are correct. This will help better gauge. You also said something about documents and such, what are you referring to, can you show them.

None the less, it looks good, enjoy it.

Best

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Old 29 January 2018, 11:31 AM   #26
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Old 30 January 2018, 01:38 AM   #27
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I thought the top and bottom horizontal lines in the letter "E" engraved into the case were supposed to be longer then the middle one. Am I mistaken?
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Old thread, but some new respons on the special pice?
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Old 14 May 2019, 04:20 AM   #29
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Old thread, but some new respons on the special pice?
Did you ever get a pic of the serial number?
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Old 14 May 2019, 04:21 AM   #30
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Ciao hello - Case stamped 6.xxx.xxx

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