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Old 24 September 2020, 11:16 AM   #1
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FPJ CS Availability

To anyone that was recently looking for a CS, may I ask what youíve been told about availability?

Iím keen to compare notes. I was told availability is uncertain and deposits canít be accepted. Between the 1815 up/down and the CS, and the latter is pulling on heartstrings a lot stronger.

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PS: only looking to buy from AD/boutique and not going grey.
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Old 24 September 2020, 11:30 AM   #2
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Donít know the answer to your question , but can comment on the decision you are facing - last year I was physically at a large pre-owned dealer - made an appointment specifically to look at the 1815 u/d... but walked out w a Journe (38mm octa lune). The 1815 u/d is a phenomenal watch but journes just seem to evoke more emotion when on the wrist.

W regard to availability, I suspect there will be a bit of a wait for a new CS given the pandemic shut-downs and the rise of FPJís popularity over the past year or so. But if itís what your heart wants, I guarantee it would be worth the wait.


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Old 24 September 2020, 12:08 PM   #3
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...but journes just seem to evoke more emotion when on the wrist...
Exactly! Love the ALS but the CS is something else.

As of now, timeline is uncertain and being told it will be some time next year. Thought about going WatchBox, but going AD for all the expected reasons plus the price difference isnít tremendous.
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Old 24 September 2020, 12:22 PM   #4
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There’s been a frenzy on the CS. When I bought mine at the AD back in July, there were a few to choose from. Two and a half weeks ago there were two left. As of today they are all gone, and I am not sure about the ETA for the next shipment.
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Old 24 September 2020, 12:53 PM   #5
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I was looking at CS, but a new CS is near double an pre owned up/down. I went with an OG Pt Datograph

I understand why a CB has its price, but even with the CSí handsome looks, I will not buy into bubble market on a model that should not be difficult to produce.

Now... some of the high end Journes... those are a different story.


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Old 24 September 2020, 01:34 PM   #6
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Can’t speak to that question, would suggest calling a Boutique, I’m sure they would be helpful.

However, you will not be disappointed with a CS, I’m partial to the platinum, you can play around with straps and it can become one of the most versatile watches in your collection. Casual on a brown, Formal on black, perfect balance on dark blue or dark brown.

Go for it.
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Old 24 September 2020, 01:58 PM   #7
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Canít speak to that question, would suggest calling a Boutique, Iím sure they would be helpful.

However, you will not be disappointed with a CS, Iím partial to the platinum, you can play around with straps and it can become one of the most versatile watches in your collection. Casual on a brown, Formal on black, perfect balance on dark blue or dark brown.

Go for it.

Thanks. Yes itís the PT that Iím interested in... of all the iterations, itís the one I like best. Price wise same as the Havana, and 10% more than the RG. I suspect the Havana is even harder to land but since itís not my first or even second choice, I didnít bother asking.

The black label is interesting, I donít think the AD will be able to source it but I will check back again.

Youíre right about the versatility. Iíve seen some pictures of the CS paired with straps in different colors, and all look great.
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Old 24 September 2020, 02:24 PM   #8
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Thereís been a frenzy on the CS. When I bought mine at the AD back in July, there were a few to choose from. Two and a half weeks ago there were two left. As of today they are all gone, and I am not sure about the ETA for the next shipment.

Congrats on your CS! Do share pics. Iíve been tracking it here for some months now and itís never been available for purchase. Itís great you were able to get it in good time.
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Old 24 September 2020, 02:38 PM   #9
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I was looking at CS, but a new CS is near double an pre owned up/down. I went with an OG Pt Datograph

I understand why a CB has its price, but even with the CSí handsome looks, I will not buy into bubble market on a model that should not be difficult to produce.

Now... some of the high end Journes... those are a different story.


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Agreed. I was close to going FP instead of ALS but with the bubble ALS just made more sense to me. FP was great value used before the bubble. Stupid me for not buying a resonance when I was going to
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Old 24 September 2020, 02:39 PM   #10
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I was looking at CS, but a new CS is near double an pre owned up/down. I went with an OG Pt Datograph

I understand why a CB has its price, but even with the CSí handsome looks, I will not buy into bubble market on a model that should not be difficult to produce.

Now... some of the high end Journes... those are a different story.


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Congrats on your Datograph, outstanding watch.

Yes the difference in price new from AD is quite bit, but within the parameters of what I want in a dress watch, itís these two that are the final choices, both excellent. I like the CB honestly, but the absurd prices donít make sense to me. The CS hasnít been similarly afflicted it appears.
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Old 24 September 2020, 04:50 PM   #11
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Congrats on your Datograph, outstanding watch.

Yes the difference in price new from AD is quite bit, but within the parameters of what I want in a dress watch, itís these two that are the final choices, both excellent. I like the CB honestly, but the absurd prices donít make sense to me. The CS hasnít been similarly afflicted it appears.

Thanks for the congratulations on the datograph!

I frankly love the Pt CS, and since I love PR indicators I too was thinking about the CS, or 1815/UP Down.

I just got really sour how Journe got extremely hot in the past 6 months.

At that the full boutique prices with Tax I thought a preowned Dato was better spent.

I hope hype on CS will slow down but we will see. WatchBox manipulates the supply and therefore the prices so got to be careful. But maybe just paranoid.

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Old 24 September 2020, 05:47 PM   #12
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What's the MSRP for the platinum CS? Grey is goes for € 35kish as full set here in Europe
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Old 24 September 2020, 06:44 PM   #13
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What's the MSRP for the platinum CS? Grey is goes for Ä 35kish as full set here in Europe

Roughly the same give or take exchange variations.
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Old 24 September 2020, 08:10 PM   #14
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I ordered for a friend from Tokyo Boutique. With a 50% deposit.
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Old 24 September 2020, 09:19 PM   #15
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I ordered for a friend from Tokyo Boutique. With a 50% deposit.

Youíre a good friend!

I considered the Tokyo boutique option, but as of now I have no visibility to when travel will resume.

How did you/your friend pay the deposit? If travel isnít an option, do they offer to ship?
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Old 24 September 2020, 10:21 PM   #16
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which one are you after? I was just at FPJ Tokyo...
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Old 24 September 2020, 10:44 PM   #17
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which one are you after? I was just at FPJ Tokyo...


CS platinum silver dial. Would love to know if you saw any CS there!
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Old 24 September 2020, 11:38 PM   #18
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Youíre a good friend!

I considered the Tokyo boutique option, but as of now I have no visibility to when travel will resume.

How did you/your friend pay the deposit? If travel isnít an option, do they offer to ship?

They dont offer to ship. Paid by bank wire.

So either another friend based in Tokyo can pick it up OR they will hold it until travel allowed provided i pay in full by year end (or pay the price increase if decide to pay next year). But for former option I have to pay local taxes.


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Thanks for the congratulations on the datograph!

I frankly love the Pt CS, and since I love PR indicators I too was thinking about the CS, or 1815/UP Down.

I just got really sour how Journe got extremely hot in the past 6 months.

At that the full boutique prices with Tax I thought a preowned Dato was better spent.

I hope hype on CS will slow down but we will see. WatchBox manipulates the supply and therefore the prices so got to be careful. But maybe just paranoid.

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Old 25 September 2020, 02:39 AM   #20
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I hope hype on CS will slow down but we will see. WatchBox manipulates the supply and therefore the prices so got to be careful. But maybe just paranoid.

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I would disagree that Watchbox manipulates the supply. They do inflate the preowned/grey prices, but the supply itself is running extremely low from the factory in Geneva. Many of the FPJ models are sold out for 2021 allocations and early 2022 at boutiques. They used to take 50% deposits and now down to 25% (due to uncertainty on delivery) and hot models like CB, RQ etc they stop taking deposits. The brand is just doing very well in general and preowned market is strong. Numbers of 5711 blue dial alone listed on chrono24 is twice of ALL FPJ watches listed

Oh, and beautiful Dato you have there!
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Old 25 September 2020, 10:16 AM   #21
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A used cs is definately available.

From watchbox and others. The issue is that all new Journes are out of stock and need to be ordered. Due to limited production, there is a wait from everything at the boutique right now. If you dont mind preowned under warranty, it is available. There is surely a Journe bubble. I traded out of 1 of my Jounres way too soon, the other just a little too soon. I still have two though. Lange( I have both Lange and Journe) is a better deal now, but somehow I find the Journe watches sublime.
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Old 25 September 2020, 08:38 PM   #22
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From watchbox and others. The issue is that all new Journes are out of stock and need to be ordered. Due to limited production, there is a wait from everything at the boutique right now. If you dont mind preowned under warranty, it is available. There is surely a Journe bubble. I traded out of 1 of my Jounres way too soon, the other just a little too soon. I still have two though. Lange( I have both Lange and Journe) is a better deal now, but somehow I find the Journe watches sublime.
Depends on how you define a bubble I suppose. I think it is quite possible that this is just the new normal for FPJ. When you only make around 800 watches a year, all it takes is a small uptick in demand to really affect inventory. FPJ has gotten much more popular across the board the last year, and we are really seeing that play out in availability. It isn't hard to squeeze it with such low production.

And the good news is outside of the totally "unobtainables" like the CB and new Dubai, most things can still be had with a wait of a year or under. I think Havanas are around a year, same with Elegante. Unsure on CS but my strong guess speaking to the Boutique weekly is less than a year. If you want something from the higher end of the range, particularly in a low run color, then yes, you might be waiting awhile, but for the most part it's easier to get your desired FPJ than it is to get any Patek sport model (assuming same level of "relationship with the boutique").

Black label stuff has become a kind of application piece now, that they usually special order and have built for you, unless one is on the yearly build list and not pre-sold, so if you want a black dial anything it could be a wait (and of course requires previous FPJ ownership history now).

edit: Shafran, I do strongly agree with you that FPJ is no longer the incredible value it was over a year ago, but I think when compared with Patek (and VC, AP, Breguet, etc.) FPJ is still providing strong value when viewing complication, build quality, value retention and pricing (to acquire). I have several FPJs ordered and coming in sometime during the next year or so, and feel like dollar for dollar, even purchasing brand new, I am getting more watch for my money then I could from pretty much any manufacturer (eye of the beholder of course).
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Old 26 September 2020, 05:46 AM   #23
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I would disagree that Watchbox manipulates the supply. They do inflate the preowned/grey prices, but the supply itself is running extremely low from the factory in Geneva. Many of the FPJ models are sold out for 2021 allocations and early 2022 at boutiques. They used to take 50% deposits and now down to 25% (due to uncertainty on delivery) and hot models like CB, RQ etc they stop taking deposits. The brand is just doing very well in general and preowned market is strong. Numbers of 5711 blue dial alone listed on chrono24 is twice of ALL FPJ watches listed

Oh, and beautiful Dato you have there!

Agree with your points. Nice resonance in your avatar!


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