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majicauction · 2 May 2010, 09:07 AM

I'm not a Rolex or even watch collector so looking for help. Theres story behind it but for now I just want to post the pics and see what you guys think. If you can identify it even better! Then if you want the backround I'll give it and the reasons I think it may be real as well as reasons I think it may be fake. Here we go:

Thanks for your help!

The GMT Master · 2 May 2010, 09:08 AM

Definitely a fake, and a bad one at that, I'm afraid

TimeToGo · 2 May 2010, 09:13 AM

If you have questions like these, post them in the Watchout section...

Folks there live for this!

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimeToGo

If you have questions like these, post them in the Watchout section...

Folks there live for this!

WELCOME TO THE FORUM!

ummmmm ok except I didn't know and was looking for information, would think 'watch out' was for warning people about ones you know are fake?

mcjp6 · 2 May 2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Definitely a fake, and a bad one at that, I'm afraid

I would agree with Chris I am afraid.

Safetrends · 2 May 2010, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

I would agree with Chris I am afraid.

X3 Poor copy.

t e x · 2 May 2010, 10:03 AM

4
bad fake...

The GMT Master · 2 May 2010, 10:05 AM

Sorry, I probably should have elaborated on my original post: these are my reasonings behind why it is fake

1) It claims to be an Oysterquartz. That certainly isn't an Oysterquartz case, as it doesn't have an integrated bracelet, and it isn't one of the Beta 21 Quartz models either. There never was an Oysterquartz Date, only Datejust and Day-Date. You can read up on them here

2) The bracelet appears to be a poor attempt to imitate a president bracelet. The real deal looks nothing like that, the centre links are way out.

3) Dial fonts appear to be of poor printing quality, and certainly not up to Rolex standards

4) Date magnification on the Cyclops and date font are both wrong

5) Hands are too short

6) No "T Swiss T" as there should be on a model of this age

7) Crown is way off

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news

Chris

Big B · 2 May 2010, 10:06 AM

5
VERY BAD FAKE!!!!
Bezel is fake, band center link is too small, diamonds on dial look poor quality, winding crown looks too large, etc, etc.
Look at the inside of the clasp and see if you find a stamp that says "Italy" on it.

chris russell · 2 May 2010, 10:09 AM

This one's horrifically bad. Everything is wrong with it. Sorry, hope you did not buy it.

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 10:16 AM

I appreciate your opinions, as said i know nothing about this, was in an estate auction box of jewelry and such. My first thought was no box, no papers, surely a fake but then I thought about how wealthy this estate was and the fact they might have real rolexes. There were some other real nice pieces in the lot. so thinking I was smart because I knew serials were between the lugs I checked and no serial which sinched it for me for awhile. a couple antique guys (not watch guys) looked at it and told me they thought it was real which got me wondering again and searching online where I found out that the oysterquartzs didn't have the serial there, still dont know where it is, LOL

There is also a place inside the lugs that is scratched and smeared where the model number should be I think, that made me think it could be stolen. Was wanting to find where the serial would be so I could find that out as well. Guess no need now but curiosity makes me ask if it was real where would the serial be? Also wondering if there was a watch like this for real because I could never pin it down. Obviously an oysterquartz, but then it says date, not date/day and not date just. Only ones I've found online with just date are very obviously mens watches, this to me looks like a ladies. Am I right in thinking that? I do enjoy learning this stuff and who knows maybe down the road I'll see a real one in one of the estates and I'll know it is!

It does make me wonder if someone running the auction tossed it in there hoping to up the price, maybe thinking the lot wouldn't sell by the other stuff there. I just cant see that estate having fakes but maybe they got fooled too. No worries though, jokes on them if they did. There was lots of old silver jewelry like the pendent/lockett from the 1800's so I made over twice what I paid and the rest can be flea market fodder. Dont worry you wont see this one on ebay :-)

One question - Can I get in trouble if I sell it at the flea market marked as being a replica?? I'm thinking yes? I may just see if I can pop it open and see what it looks like inside for s***s & giggles. You guys want pics if I can?

CoopJr · 2 May 2010, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by majicauction

You guys want pics if I can?

No...

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 10:22 AM

GMT master, thanks for elaborating! I was writing while you were posting so you got some of my questions already, sorry about that. The things I understand of what you said make sense and a couple were things I'd wondered about, like not saying swiss made.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to educate me :) I'll come back if/when I ever find something good (and real)

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CoopJr

No...

ok, sorry, didnt mean to insult. Thought it might be helpful for either education or just for laughs. I'll bow out now.

Again thanks to all

mcjp6 · 2 May 2010, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by majicauction

One question - Can I get in trouble if I sell it at the flea market marked as being a replica?? I'm thinking yes? I may just see if I can pop it open and see what it looks like inside for s***s & giggles. You guys want pics if I can?

Selling counterfeit watches is illegal no matter how it is marked.

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

Selling counterfeit watches is illegal no matter how it is marked.

figured, well the 20bucks i'd get isnt worth jailtime so I'll just have fun with it

Mockingbird · 2 May 2010, 10:39 AM

Crown is too big, why is there a presidential bracelet on it? (and a poor fake one at that), the magnification/date font are wrong, and it's in the wrong case.

Proclamation: fake

CoopJr · 2 May 2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by majicauction

ok, sorry, didnt mean to insult. Thought it might be helpful for either education or just for laughs. I'll bow out now.

Again thanks to all

No insult taken.

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 10:47 AM

Good, I know sometimes ignorence can really get to collectors/enthusiasts. I have many collections of my own just not on the same scale as Rolexs :) It is frustrating when people who know nothing ask dumb questions so I do apologize. If it makes anyone feel better I would like to hang around and maybe learn a bit. I know I'll never be in a position to buy a Rolex of my own but never hurts to be well informed!

Tunacan26 · 2 May 2010, 10:54 AM

Why can't he sell it as a "replica" or fake? Such watches are all over the web. Someone pays 20 bucks for a watch he KNOWS is a fake, who is harmed?

t e x · 2 May 2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by majicauction

ok, sorry, didnt mean to insult. Thought it might be helpful for either education or just for laughs. I'll bow out now.

Again thanks to all

Why bow out? there's a plethora of knowledge to be shared with all on this forum as you've surely gathered.

I personally have desired to own a rolex since forever lol. But this did not stop me from reading and viewing pic's over the years. I have actually lurked on this site for a long time and perhaps as far back when this site was rather new. Of course, I would lurk on this site amongst others for periods lastings up to three weeks at a time because, for me, not having a rolex and reading about them...well lets say, it's hard lol.

Only when I knew my time was approaching to realize a dream of mine, did I fianally become a member of the community to start asking questions and making other post. Happy searching and don't sell that watch as it is a no-no.

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 11:24 AM

Tunacan, just guessing from what i know of other collectibles, fakes are all over but it doesnt make it legal. As for whose harmed, no one if I could be sure the person buying it was only buying it for fun and would never resell but what if someone buys it for $20 knowing its a fake, gets a box for it and tosses it on ebay. Might fool someone and I don't want to be a part of that. Oh BTW 'he' is a she ;-)

tex I do plan to stay and learn but to be honest about my motives its not because I ever want to buy a Rolex. It's just not my thing and I could never justify the money to myself. I just never want to pass up something real because I think its fake or vice versa. I see a lot of watches at auctions and estate sales so good to have some knowledge. Who knows could be win/win for me and someone here if I ever manage to find the real deal!

mfer · 2 May 2010, 11:27 AM

So, you want to stay on the Rolex forum, but you don't ever want a Rolex????

whatever floats your boat!

Don't take this post to personal either. We utterly despise, loathe, spurn, scorn, deride and hate replicas and fakes.

majicauction · 2 May 2010, 11:33 AM

I want to learn, whats wrong with that? I deal with antiques, collectibles etc. Go to auctions and estate sales and run into all kinds of things. Isnt it better to learn then to unwittingly buy a fake and try to sell it as real? maybe ripping off someone here even.

I hate replicas and fakes in my hobbies as well, hence why i wouldn't want to do that to anyone else. Understand?

t e x · 2 May 2010, 11:33 AM

My thoughts are, if you just spent some time here on this site, you would have spotted this fake by a country mile... which of course will aid your estate or other type of markets you might find yourself at

Idle Swede · 2 May 2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by majicauction

I want to learn, whats wrong with that? I deal with antiques, collectibles etc. Go to auctions and estate sales and run into all kinds of things. Isnt it better to learn then to unwittingly buy a fake and try to sell it as real? maybe ripping off someone here even.

I hate replicas and fakes in my hobbies as well, hence why i wouldn't want to do that to anyone else. Understand?

Nothing wrong with that.

sam. · 3 May 2010, 07:05 AM

I haven't seen any postings here that say you have to own a Rolex to become a member,you just have to be interested!,learn what you can and enjoy your time here, no need to bow out!

Safetrends · 3 May 2010, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sam.

I haven't seen any postings here that say you have to own a Rolex to become a member,you just have to be interested!,learn what you can and enjoy your time here, no need to bow out!

It is a good way to go, learn what you want in a watch, watch the watchout section to learn the fakes and Rolex watches that are junk. This way you will be aware of what you are buying.

bayerische · 3 May 2010, 08:05 AM

Here you go. Use this one.

Do us all a favor.

TerryF · 3 May 2010, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tunacan26

Why can't he sell it as a "replica" or fake? Such watches are all over the web. Someone pays 20 bucks for a watch he KNOWS is a fake, who is harmed?

Rolex, Omega, Panerai, take your pick.......and then of course you and I and every other individual out there who pays top dollar for original goods.

When a company has to spend millions to counter and curb counterfeiting of their products, who do you think pays for it?

This of course is besides the fact that patent rights are being infringed upon and last but not least, its against the law in most countries.

but hey, if you think its OK, who am I to rock the boat!!

2 May 2010, 09:07 AM	#1
majicauction Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 17	Trying again - real or fake? Your opinions please I'm not a Rolex or even watch collector so looking for help. Theres story behind it but for now I just want to post the pics and see what you guys think. If you can identify it even better! Then if you want the backround I'll give it and the reasons I think it may be real as well as reasons I think it may be fake. Here we go: Thanks for your help!

2 May 2010, 10:03 AM	#7
t e x "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Joel Location: Renton, WA Watch: 16610LV Posts: 2,990	4 bad fake... __________________ ___/ /_/ /_____ 16610LV; Ball Diver EMT II \:::::::::::::::/ ~~~~~~~~~~

2 May 2010, 10:09 AM	#10
chris russell Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Peterborough, ON Watch: your mouth. Posts: 1,023	Here's a hint: If you have to ask, it's a fake. This one's horrifically bad. Everything is wrong with it. Sorry, hope you did not buy it.

2 May 2010, 11:27 AM	#23
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	So, you want to stay on the Rolex forum, but you don't ever want a Rolex???? whatever floats your boat! Don't take this post to personal either. We utterly despise, loathe, spurn, scorn, deride and hate replicas and fakes. __________________ member#3242

2 May 2010, 11:33 AM	#25
t e x "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Joel Location: Renton, WA Watch: 16610LV Posts: 2,990	My thoughts are, if you just spent some time here on this site, you would have spotted this fake by a country mile... which of course will aid your estate or other type of markets you might find yourself at __________________ ___/ /_/ /_____ 16610LV; Ball Diver EMT II \:::::::::::::::/ ~~~~~~~~~~

2 May 2010, 09:08 AM	#2
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,148	Definitely a fake, and a bad one at that, I'm afraid

2 May 2010, 09:13 AM	#3
TimeToGo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Florida Posts: 16,594	If you have questions like these, post them in the Watchout section... Folks there live for this! WELCOME TO THE FORUM!

2 May 2010, 10:05 AM	#8
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,148	Sorry, I probably should have elaborated on my original post: these are my reasonings behind why it is fake 1) It claims to be an Oysterquartz. That certainly isn't an Oysterquartz case, as it doesn't have an integrated bracelet, and it isn't one of the Beta 21 Quartz models either. There never was an Oysterquartz Date, only Datejust and Day-Date. You can read up on them here 2) The bracelet appears to be a poor attempt to imitate a president bracelet. The real deal looks nothing like that, the centre links are way out. 3) Dial fonts appear to be of poor printing quality, and certainly not up to Rolex standards 4) Date magnification on the Cyclops and date font are both wrong 5) Hands are too short 6) No "T Swiss T" as there should be on a model of this age 7) Crown is way off Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Chris

2 May 2010, 10:06 AM	#9
Big B Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Utah Watch: Rolex 116610 Posts: 41	5 VERY BAD FAKE!!!! Bezel is fake, band center link is too small, diamonds on dial look poor quality, winding crown looks too large, etc, etc. Look at the inside of the clasp and see if you find a stamp that says "Italy" on it.

2 May 2010, 10:16 AM	#11
majicauction Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 17	I appreciate your opinions, as said i know nothing about this, was in an estate auction box of jewelry and such. My first thought was no box, no papers, surely a fake but then I thought about how wealthy this estate was and the fact they might have real rolexes. There were some other real nice pieces in the lot. so thinking I was smart because I knew serials were between the lugs I checked and no serial which sinched it for me for awhile. a couple antique guys (not watch guys) looked at it and told me they thought it was real which got me wondering again and searching online where I found out that the oysterquartzs didn't have the serial there, still dont know where it is, LOL There is also a place inside the lugs that is scratched and smeared where the model number should be I think, that made me think it could be stolen. Was wanting to find where the serial would be so I could find that out as well. Guess no need now but curiosity makes me ask if it was real where would the serial be? Also wondering if there was a watch like this for real because I could never pin it down. Obviously an oysterquartz, but then it says date, not date/day and not date just. Only ones I've found online with just date are very obviously mens watches, this to me looks like a ladies. Am I right in thinking that? I do enjoy learning this stuff and who knows maybe down the road I'll see a real one in one of the estates and I'll know it is! It does make me wonder if someone running the auction tossed it in there hoping to up the price, maybe thinking the lot wouldn't sell by the other stuff there. I just cant see that estate having fakes but maybe they got fooled too. No worries though, jokes on them if they did. There was lots of old silver jewelry like the pendent/lockett from the 1800's so I made over twice what I paid and the rest can be flea market fodder. Dont worry you wont see this one on ebay :-) One question - Can I get in trouble if I sell it at the flea market marked as being a replica?? I'm thinking yes? I may just see if I can pop it open and see what it looks like inside for s***s & giggles. You guys want pics if I can?

2 May 2010, 10:22 AM	#13
majicauction Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 17	GMT master, thanks for elaborating! I was writing while you were posting so you got some of my questions already, sorry about that. The things I understand of what you said make sense and a couple were things I'd wondered about, like not saying swiss made. Thanks everyone for taking the time to educate me :) I'll come back if/when I ever find something good (and real)

2 May 2010, 10:39 AM	#17
Mockingbird "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: -- Posts: 2,097	Crown is too big, why is there a presidential bracelet on it? (and a poor fake one at that), the magnification/date font are wrong, and it's in the wrong case. Proclamation: fake

2 May 2010, 10:47 AM	#19
majicauction Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 17	Good, I know sometimes ignorence can really get to collectors/enthusiasts. I have many collections of my own just not on the same scale as Rolexs :) It is frustrating when people who know nothing ask dumb questions so I do apologize. If it makes anyone feel better I would like to hang around and maybe learn a bit. I know I'll never be in a position to buy a Rolex of my own but never hurts to be well informed!

2 May 2010, 10:54 AM	#20
Tunacan26 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Chuck Location: Florida Watch: Hulk, DJ, Bluesy Posts: 1,890	Why can't he sell it as a "replica" or fake? Such watches are all over the web. Someone pays 20 bucks for a watch he KNOWS is a fake, who is harmed?

2 May 2010, 11:24 AM	#22
majicauction Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: USA Posts: 17	Tunacan, just guessing from what i know of other collectibles, fakes are all over but it doesnt make it legal. As for whose harmed, no one if I could be sure the person buying it was only buying it for fun and would never resell but what if someone buys it for $20 knowing its a fake, gets a box for it and tosses it on ebay. Might fool someone and I don't want to be a part of that. Oh BTW 'he' is a she ;-) tex I do plan to stay and learn but to be honest about my motives its not because I ever want to buy a Rolex. It's just not my thing and I could never justify the money to myself. I just never want to pass up something real because I think its fake or vice versa. I see a lot of watches at auctions and estate sales so good to have some knowledge. Who knows could be win/win for me and someone here if I ever manage to find the real deal!

3 May 2010, 07:05 AM	#27
sam. Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: sam Location: s.wales GB Watch: Oyster Royal 6246 Posts: 429	I haven't seen any postings here that say you have to own a Rolex to become a member,you just have to be interested!,learn what you can and enjoy your time here, no need to bow out!

3 May 2010, 08:05 AM	#29
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Here you go. Use this one. Do us all a favor. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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