Black Bay noir eta

[Watcheroo]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Where did I even discuss the movement?

Here. ETA is the movement ;)

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

Especially an ETA Tudor vs a Rolex 14060.

[NeedlessKane]

Wow, I am glad I got mine last March when I did! Such a great piece.

I was considering selling it last year and I am glad I didn't.

[Rafabond]

As I have both versions, I do not care which one will go up more than the price

[MARTIN1264]

Joined the Club......





A new one and a pre-loved.....I bought the used one and my wife found me a Brand spankin new one....

[Jcy90]

i think these hit $5k by summer

[Wahlberg]

Originally Posted by Watcheroo

Here. ETA is the movement ;)

I didn't discuss it in terms of better or worse.

There is an ETA and an in-house movement, so it was a bit easier to recognize both.

[Watcheroo]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

I didn't discuss it in terms of better or worse.



There is an ETA and an in-house movement, so it was a bit easier to recognize both.

Gotcha

[Wcdhtwn]

Interesting tidbit... just left my AD where they carry Tudor. I was looking at the BB's, among others, and was told by the person who I always work with that when they sell a BB with the in house movement (shield) they've been getting replaced by rose versions with the ETA. This has been going on for quite some time but she didn't tell me how long. They have 4 BB's with the rose that were all recently shipped to them, two black bezel and two red. She said people want the in house version and not the ETA, so when they get ETA's to replace in house versions it makes it more difficult to sell watches.

She thinks that Tudor is trying to work through the ETA stock, not that it's making a return or anything of the sort. It's interesting that the prices on gray/ secondary market are going up with this going on.

Very tempted to snap up a red rose...

And on a related note. Not a single sub or Explorer II. They now have a list of people who want SS models, Sub, Explorer, Explorer II (of course the LV, 500, SD43, SkyD) and they just call the list and they don't go into the case. They received a Sub date and ExpII yesterday and both were already paid for.

[JParm]

Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

Interesting tidbit... just left my AD where they carry Tudor. I was looking at the BB's, among others, and was told by the person who I always work with that when they sell a BB with the in house movement (shield) they've been getting replaced by rose versions with the ETA. This has been going on for quite some time but she didn't tell me how long. They have 4 BB's with the rose that were all recently shipped to them, two black bezel and two red. She said people want the in house version and not the ETA, so when they get ETA's to replace in house versions it makes it more difficult to sell watches.

She thinks that Tudor is trying to work through the ETA stock, not that it's making a return or anything of the sort. It's interesting that the prices on gray/ secondary market are going up with this going on.

Very tempted to snap up a red rose...

And on a related note. Not a single sub or Explorer II. They now have a list of people who want SS models, Sub, Explorer, Explorer II (of course the LV, 500, SD43, SkyD) and they just call the list and they don't go into the case. They received a Sub date and ExpII yesterday and both were already paid for.

That would crush the whole "black ETAs are rare" talk.

[opawlows]

I have seen a few of the BBB and BBR eta's floating around local AD's as of late as well. None of the BBB's are on bracelet though which is what I am after to complete my "set"

[Ballzzz]

I think the FS section has two.

Here is one:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=586495

[myporsche]

Originally Posted by jpeezy14@hotmail.com

That would crush the whole "black ETAs are rare" talk.

It sure does, just perception I suppose.

[MSK]

Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

Interesting tidbit... just left my AD where they carry Tudor. I was looking at the BB's, among others, and was told by the person who I always work with that when they sell a BB with the in house movement (shield) they've been getting replaced by rose versions with the ETA. This has been going on for quite some time but she didn't tell me how long. They have 4 BB's with the rose that were all recently shipped to them, two black bezel and two red. She said people want the in house version and not the ETA, so when they get ETA's to replace in house versions it makes it more difficult to sell watches.

She thinks that Tudor is trying to work through the ETA stock, not that it's making a return or anything of the sort. It's interesting that the prices on gray/ secondary market are going up with this going on.

Very tempted to snap up a red rose...

And on a related note. Not a single sub or Explorer II. They now have a list of people who want SS models, Sub, Explorer, Explorer II (of course the LV, 500, SD43, SkyD) and they just call the list and they don't go into the case. They received a Sub date and ExpII yesterday and both were already paid for.

Would you mind passing along the dealers info? I’d be interested in taking both of the black eta’s off of their hands.

[bdex75]

Originally Posted by Wcdhtwn

Interesting tidbit... just left my AD where they carry Tudor. I was looking at the BB's, among others, and was told by the person who I always work with that when they sell a BB with the in house movement (shield) they've been getting replaced by rose versions with the ETA. This has been going on for quite some time but she didn't tell me how long. They have 4 BB's with the rose that were all recently shipped to them, two black bezel and two red. She said people want the in house version and not the ETA, so when they get ETA's to replace in house versions it makes it more difficult to sell watches.

She thinks that Tudor is trying to work through the ETA stock, not that it's making a return or anything of the sort. It's interesting that the prices on gray/ secondary market are going up with this going on.

Very tempted to snap up a red rose...

And on a related note. Not a single sub or Explorer II. They now have a list of people who want SS models, Sub, Explorer, Explorer II (of course the LV, 500, SD43, SkyD) and they just call the list and they don't go into the case. They received a Sub date and ExpII yesterday and both were already paid for.

This would be interesting indeed. My AD had not seen an ETA in a while. They are a smaller AD but move thru some Tudor.

To be honest this just does not smell right to me. I know that when the Pelagos LHD came out Tudor did ship the numbers out randomly and there was really no rhyme or reason but I find it hard to believe that they have been hoarding eta BB’s.

If you saw them with your own two eyes I would never doubt you, but I would buy them up. They are not making any more and it was a short run in terms of the watch world.


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[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by bdex75

This would be interesting indeed. My AD had not seen an ETA in a while. They are a smaller AD but move thru some Tudor.

To be honest this just does not smell right to me. I know that when the Pelagos LHD came out Tudor did ship the numbers out randomly and there was really no rhyme or reason but I find it hard to believe that they have been hoarding eta BB’s.

If you saw them with your own two eyes I would never doubt you, but I would buy them up. They are not making any more and it was a short run in terms of the watch world.


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I can confirm from my AD that they are no longer produced. He goes to Baselworld and toured Tudor and was told they are no longer produced.
The manufacturing ended years ago. Many dealers never saw a black Bezel eta. Any new deliveries is just old inventory-Remember this watch the Black Bezel was supposed to launch the in house movement but they released a limited batch to get rid of existing parts.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by Jcy90

i think these hit $5k by summer

Well of course

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by Rafabond

As I have both versions, I do not care which one will go up more than the price

The perfect two watch collection! I’d like to own a second, preferably the strap version to add more rarity to the collection.

[Raza_actual]

Originally Posted by Polarbears

I can confirm from my AD that they are no longer produced. He goes to Baselworld and toured Tudor and was told they are no longer produced.
The manufacturing ended years ago. Many dealers never saw a black Bezel eta. Any new deliveries is just old inventory-Remember this watch the Black Bezel was supposed to launch the in house movement but they released a limited batch to get rid of existing parts.

I once owned a car like that. The company did a short special edition to move out an engine they were replacing with one that had the same output and mileage, but had some technical improvements (timing chain over a timing belt, among some other things). Funny thing was, they set the production numbers too high, and had to stick the new engine in the car to meet it. My car had the newer engine. Great car, too. I miss it.

Of course, in this case, you wouldn’t see that happen because the rose case probably couldn’t fit the in-house movement.

[bdex75]

Originally Posted by Raza_actual

I once owned a car like that. The company did a short special edition to move out an engine they were replacing with one that had the same output and mileage, but had some technical improvements (timing chain over a timing belt, among some other things). Funny thing was, they set the production numbers too high, and had to stick the new engine in the car to meet it. My car had the newer engine. Great car, too. I miss it.



Of course, in this case, you wouldn’t see that happen because the rose case probably couldn’t fit the in-house movement.

It will. They put a different back on the in house to allow for the extra movement thickness. Hence another reason I prefer the eta in any colorway. It just wears better to me.


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[Raza_actual]

Originally Posted by bdex75

It will. They put a different back on the in house to allow for the extra movement thickness. Hence another reason I prefer the eta in any colorway. It just wears better to me.


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There’s something fun about the ETA version that the in-house version is missing. The straight text, the shield; it just doesn’t feel like the same Black Bay. The spirit of the watch is different, if that makes any sense.

Here’s mine with some others that I traveled with (I could have left the Suunto at home, to be honest, I don’t think I wore it once):

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by Raza_actual

There’s something fun about the ETA version that the in-house version is missing. The straight text, the shield; it just doesn’t feel like the same Black Bay. The spirit of the watch is different, if that makes any sense.

Here’s mine with some others that I traveled with (I could have left the Suunto at home, to be honest, I don’t think I wore it once):

I agree with you. The Black Bay feels like it lost it’s soul with the in house version.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Rafabond

As I have both versions, I do not care which one will go up more than the price

Referencing the discussion here I'd have thought both versions meant in house and out house. Other than hording the Etas I can see no reason to have both the bracelet and strap models as the strap can be purchased from an AD relatively easily. I have both the BBN and BBR; one on strap and one on bracelet, Both are Etas. The wrist attachments can be mixed and matched.

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Referencing the discussion here I'd have thought both versions meant in house and out house. Other than hording the Etas I can see no reason to have both the bracelet and strap models as the strap can be purchased from an AD relatively easily. I have both the BBN and BBR; one on strap and one on bracelet, Both are Etas. The wrist attachments can be mixed and matched.

Yes they can be mixed and matched but for collectors the version that has strap on the warranty card is more rare. That’s why one would like a set of each.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Polarbears

Yes they can be mixed and matched but for collectors the version that has strap on the warranty card is more rare. That’s why one would like a set of each.

Nothing changes the strap warranty card one if it temporarily gets a bracelet on it. Nor does the bracelet version change if one wears a strap on it. Out of curiosity, how do you know the strap version of the BBN is rarer?

[Polarbears]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

Nothing changes the strap warranty card one if it temporarily gets a bracelet on it. Nor does the bracelet version change if one wears a strap on it. Out of curiosity, how do you know the strap version of the BBN is rarer?

It’s been discussed in various threads and debated. Collectors care about uniqueness. The strap card is a bit of provenance that’s all. It’s the small things like the dot above the 9 on Speedy. Just more allure and mystique. I like your idea best though buy the strap Black Rose and then a Blue or Red to have the bracelet and interchange!

[astrazen]

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

I understand the reasoning. A short/limited production and it will be difficult to find and the prices rise.

But why weren't people jumping on this when they announced the in-house movement? This happens EVERY time. And topics like this fuel the need/craving for this, people don't want to miss out. Same happened to the Hulk.

And I simply don't see the value in this watch when it goes to +5.000 USD. Especially an ETA Tudor vs a Rolex 14060. The bracelet and overall feel is better on the Rolex.

I have both and the bracelet is definitely better on the Tudor.

[Hoangoneone7]

Originally Posted by Rafabond

As I have both versions, I do not care which one will go up more than the price

Beautiful watches. The hype is real on The BBB ETA

[HORNBLOWER]

The most valuable part of the Noir is the original i.d card. Without that it could easily be a rouge with swapped out bezel insert and stem cover.

[HogwldFLTR]

Originally Posted by Polarbears

It’s been discussed in various threads and debated. Collectors care about uniqueness. The strap card is a bit of provenance that’s all. It’s the small things like the dot above the 9 on Speedy. Just more allure and mystique. I like your idea best though buy the strap Black Rose and then a Blue or Red to have the bracelet and interchange!

Maybe you could point to a thread; I've been following this pretty closely and missed it apparently.

[stlwx21]

Whatever your motivation for wanting this watch, to keep as a collector’s item or to wear it, you’d be wise to pick it either one up...whether it is bracelet or strap.

I wouldn’t let the fact that it is on bracelet be a deal killer.

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