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Old 12 July 2018, 08:34 AM   #4471
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I have a relationship with the AP boutique and they run the RM boutique but they still wont ask for my deposit because not high enough in line i guess
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Old 12 July 2018, 01:09 PM   #4472
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I have a relationship with the AP boutique and they run the RM boutique but they still wont ask for my deposit because not high enough in line i guess
Mark... Unfortunately You have to buy a lot of the junk to get an 11-03. Are you considering the NTPT? Personally I wouldnt entertain the TI or RG although beautiful they are big and thick so a scratch which is inevitable is going to drive You crazy!!!
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Old 12 July 2018, 01:26 PM   #4473
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I like the NTPT but not enough to buy it. I have learned to live with a few scratches here and there. The only other piece I was thinking about is the AP CONCEPT GMT. The new model is nice but I was told they are already sold out
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Old 12 July 2018, 05:56 PM   #4474
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Mark... Unfortunately You have to buy a lot of the junk to get an 11-03. Are you considering the NTPT? Personally I wouldnt entertain the TI or RG although beautiful they are big and thick so a scratch which is inevitable is going to drive You crazy!!!
You have to buy a lot of junk ? What are those ?
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Old 13 July 2018, 12:37 AM   #4475
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It seems at this point they aren't selling 11-03s to anyone that walks in off the street. As far as I know, you have to have a buying history and a relationship to be considered.

All of the names are submitted to RM for approval prior to sale of an 11-03.

For example- I was offered a Red Quartz 11-03 a few weeks ago. When I said I would take it, I got a call a few days later letting me know that because I had already purchased a TI, RG, and NTPT 11-03, I would not be allowed to buy the red if I wanted the blue.

Basically, I was told it's one or the other. That's when I bought the white bubba instead and I am glad I did!
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Old 13 July 2018, 12:47 AM   #4476
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It seems at this point they aren't selling 11-03s to anyone that walks in off the street. As far as I know, you have to have a buying history and a relationship to be considered.

All of the names are submitted to RM for approval prior to sale of an 11-03.

For example- I was offered a Red Quartz 11-03 a few weeks ago. When I said I would take it, I got a call a few days later letting me know that because I had already purchased a TI, RG, and NTPT 11-03, I would not be allowed to buy the red if I wanted the blue.

Basically, I was told it's one or the other. That's when I bought the white bubba instead and I am glad I did!
c'mon John, share pics of new arrivals... and RM Family photo :)
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Old 13 July 2018, 01:01 AM   #4477
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It seems at this point they aren't selling 11-03s to anyone that walks in off the street. As far as I know, you have to have a buying history and a relationship to be considered.

All of the names are submitted to RM for approval prior to sale of an 11-03.

For example- I was offered a Red Quartz 11-03 a few weeks ago. When I said I would take it, I got a call a few days later letting me know that because I had already purchased a TI, RG, and NTPT 11-03, I would not be allowed to buy the red if I wanted the blue.

Basically, I was told it's one or the other. That's when I bought the white bubba instead and I am glad I did!
I love my 3 RMs and if I could own 10 of them I would but am I the only person turned off by this? I just find it so disheartening that they make it so difficult to buy these watches now.
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Old 15 July 2018, 01:41 AM   #4478
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c'mon John, share pics of new arrivals... and RM Family photo :)
I need to I know!

Soon ;)
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Old 15 July 2018, 08:51 AM   #4479
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Old 15 July 2018, 09:01 AM   #4480
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Looks great.. I am jealous..
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Old 26 July 2018, 05:16 AM   #4481
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Anybody have clear pic of this new Yohan Blake? This is not the original 59 but the 61-02... in quartz TPT similar to Wayde van Niekerk 67-02...
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Old 26 July 2018, 03:32 PM   #4482
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just wanted to share this picture from a brand for how shamelessly they are copying mb&f urwerk and richard mille designs. Its called AzimuthThailand, its on instagram.


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Old 5 August 2018, 11:43 AM   #4483
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I love my 3 RMs and if I could own 10 of them I would but am I the only person turned off by this? I just find it so disheartening that they make it so difficult to buy these watches now.
I am as well

This type of practice actually makes me not want to add more RM to the collection. :( (A collection of Rolex, Patek, Lange, VC, and FP Journe, so you'd think RM would want a piece.)
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Old 5 August 2018, 11:48 AM   #4484
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Gonna be super hard man......probably have to throw a few deposits and wait
Why is it so hard to get an 11-03 considering I see them littered all over the grey market retailers.

What kind of crap is that? :)

Worse than Steel Daytonas!
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UH-OH........special incoming this week.

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Why is it so hard to get an 11-03 considering I see them littered all over the grey market retailers.

What kind of crap is that? :)

Worse than Steel Daytonas!
Because plenty of pieces are being back doored. On top of that other high end customers are being "awarded" 11-03s and would rather sell them and wear their tourbs. Simple as that.

The clientele of this brand is like no other......sucks being at the bottom.
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Because plenty of pieces are being back doored. On top of that other high end customers are being "awarded" 11-03s and would rather sell them and wear their tourbs. Simple as that.

The clientele of this brand is like no other......sucks being at the bottom.
So how does RM attract new collectors?
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So how does RM attract new collectors?
Thatís the same question Iíve been asking for two years. Doesnít seem like they need to.
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Old 6 August 2018, 02:22 AM   #4489
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Not very happy about this either. I am about to give up on them.. Do not like such practices. Guess should become tennis pro to get their attention

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Because plenty of pieces are being back doored. On top of that other high end customers are being "awarded" 11-03s and would rather sell them and wear their tourbs. Simple as that.

The clientele of this brand is like no other......sucks being at the bottom.
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Old 6 August 2018, 08:11 AM   #4490
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Not very happy about this either. I am about to give up on them.. Do not like such practices. Guess should become tennis pro to get their attention
It's funny, because I was *just* about to start getting into collecting RM. Might as well stop before I even start.

This is very shortsighted, and they will regret it the next time there's a slowdown (there always will be -- it's cyclical).

I've heard they've been closing down AD accounts too, in favor of the meager number of RM-owned Boutiques. Again, very shortsighted. Doing this when things are good / strong is a bad idea as it's acting on the wrong signal.
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Old 6 August 2018, 08:49 AM   #4491
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I heard the same thing about the ADs being short supplied and even being closed out or down. But even a friend who works for a high end watch AD told me the sales associates are suffering from lack of stock of many highly desired models from Patek, Rolex and AP. I understand keeping supply and demand in check but when demand seems so much higher, I do not see how anyone wins except perhaps the Grey dealers.
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Old 6 August 2018, 08:53 AM   #4492
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I heard the same thing about the ADs being short supplied and even being closed out or down. But even a friend who works for a high end watch AD told me the sales associates are suffering from lack of stock of many highly desired models from Patek, Rolex and AP. I understand keeping supply and demand in check but when demand seems so much higher, I do not see how anyone wins except perhaps the Grey dealers.
Agreed. So long as it's truly "so much higher" -- which it is in the case of the Steel Daytonas, some of the more common Pateks, etc.

AP has been closing AD accounts too. Patek and Rolex, thankfully, aren't as stupid. :) Patek and Rolex take really good care of their ADs.
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Old 6 August 2018, 10:38 AM   #4493
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It's funny, because I was *just* about to start getting into collecting RM. Might as well stop before I even start.

This is very shortsighted, and they will regret it the next time there's a slowdown (there always will be -- it's cyclical).

I've heard they've been closing down AD accounts too, in favor of the meager number of RM-owned Boutiques. Again, very shortsighted. Doing this when things are good / strong is a bad idea as it's acting on the wrong signal.
I think the marker is saying otherwise. I agree itís annoying, but for every person like you or me who walks away when they canít get what they want, 5 other people stand in line begging when theyíre told something is exclusive and scarce. See the Daytona, 5711s and 15202s.
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I think the marker is saying otherwise. I agree itís annoying, but for every person like you or me who walks away when they canít get what they want, 5 other people stand in line begging when theyíre told something is exclusive and scarce. See the Daytona, 5711s and 15202s.
And that's why I'm saying it's shortsighted for RM. It's shortsighted because they're painting themselves into a corner that'll be hard to get out of during the next cyclical downturn.

RM doesn't have the resources Patek or Rolex have. Also, it's not impossible to get a Daytona, 5711, 15202. But it appears to be close to impossible to get an RM 11-03.
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And that's why I'm saying it's shortsighted for RM. It's shortsighted because they're painting themselves into a corner that'll be hard to get out of during the next cyclical downturn.

RM doesn't have the resources Patek or Rolex have. Also, it's not impossible to get a Daytona, 5711, 15202. But it appears to be close to impossible to get an RM 11-03.
I felt this way about 2 years ago- when this was just starting. (I sold most of my pieces at that time).

Boy was I wrong- lost a lot of money, and a lot of great watches I canít get back today.

Now, I feel they are the best positioned of any brand, with the BEST marketing. I think they know exactly what corner theíre in, and I think they know their market is completely resistant to the economy or market. 5,000 pieces a year is a lot different than 50,000.

I have a lot of the resentment and same opinions posted above, but at this point itís part of the brand and the game.
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And that's why I'm saying it's shortsighted for RM. It's shortsighted because they're painting themselves into a corner that'll be hard to get out of during the next cyclical downturn.

RM doesn't have the resources Patek or Rolex have. Also, it's not impossible to get a Daytona, 5711, 15202. But it appears to be close to impossible to get an RM 11-03.
I disagree. I imagine they have less overhead and higher margins than other brands. Also, downturns donít affect the top .00001%. Any upper middle class dude with a good bonus can cop a Daytona or 5711. Milles are for the ultra wealthy. When bitcoin drops again or the market crashes, theyíll still have their millions.
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I disagree. I imagine they have less overhead and higher margins than other brands. Also, downturns donít affect the top .00001%. Any upper middle class dude with a good bonus can cop a Daytona or 5711. Milles are for the ultra wealthy. When bitcoin drops again or the market crashes, theyíll still have their millions.
Tell that to Ferrari and Lamborghini about the last downturn.

Also, if Mille was only for the ultra wealthy then they wouldn't produce $150k watches.
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Now, I feel they are the best positioned of any brand, with the BEST marketing.
I keep hearing that. :) And I don't disagree.

But it's still very shortsighted from a business perspective.

That brand recognition won't mean much when your clients tighten up a bit because they lost a few billion in market value (equating to ~20 - 40% of their wealth).
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And that's why I'm saying it's shortsighted for RM. It's shortsighted because they're painting themselves into a corner that'll be hard to get out of during the next cyclical downturn.

RM doesn't have the resources Patek or Rolex have. Also, it's not impossible to get a Daytona, 5711, 15202. But it appears to be close to impossible to get an RM 11-03.
Itís not ďimpossibleĒ to get the 11-03.. itís just that RM are reserving or giving those who have bought multiple high end pieces (tourbilon) the exclusive chance to buy first. RM are looking after their customers very well. Take a look around the world.. every minute there are 100s of millionaire created somewhere around the world. Ppl are getting richer. Rich ppl like to get those ďhard to getĒ stuffs. They will buy high end pieces to start. Ie RM wants their customer to start from the TOP then to the bottom rather than the common trend like PP starting from the bottom slowly moving up. RM is for billionaires/multi millionaires only. All the RM owners I know, they own more than 2 pieces of RM.
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Tell that to Ferrari and Lamborghini about the last downturn.

Also, if Mille was only for the ultra wealthy then they wouldn't produce $150k watches.
RM donít want to sell $150k watches.. they want to sell $500k+ watches .. the $150k watches are reserved as a bonus/rewards for their customers who bought their $500k+ watches.
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