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laxjoe · 21 December 2016, 07:38 AM

need help to identify this watch it real or fake model 168000 serial# 919xxxx

thank you

GLADIATOR · 21 December 2016, 08:29 AM

Looks good to me
Should have the Rolex Caliber 3035 movement.

I think your photo shows the watch running, as I can not see the micro-stella screws. Like here:
https://www.google.es/search?q=Rolex...o-v0u0TPigM%3A

I am sure thats just the photo, as all looks OK to me
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usrudiver932 · 21 December 2016, 09:11 AM

Complete with laser mark at 6, as Adam says good

laxjoe · 21 December 2016, 10:11 AM

thank you GLADIATOR and usrudiver932 for reply

i will try to get more clear picture and the watch stop movement picture tomorrow

crowncollection · 21 December 2016, 11:56 AM

looks ok, has a service dial

GLADIATOR · 21 December 2016, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

looks ok, has a service dial

Good point, I should have added that.
Thanks
Adam

NKflyer · 22 December 2016, 12:50 AM

While I agree with the others that this is an authentic 1980's Sub Date with a replacement "service" dial and hands, I would be a tad cautious about the 168000 status. Although the exact serial number range for the 168000 is not know, 9.1 million seems a little early to me.

Because the 168000 was made for less than one year, it was once thought that it would become a very valuable collectible so there have been some 16800's that were unscrupulously converted to 168000's by stamping an extra "0" into the case. Sometimes, the extra zero is quite crude and doesn't match the other zeros, but this doesn't seem to be the case based on your one photo... Is it possible to get a very clear closeup of the reference number stamp??

laxjoe · 22 December 2016, 04:51 AM

here guys some more picture on the model number and also with stopping movement picture

GLADIATOR · 22 December 2016, 05:07 AM

OK
Movement is genuine I am sure to that!
But I do think the zero has been added its a 16800 NOT a 168000

AND, as David pointed out this is a "service dial" - its from Rolex but is a maxi dial with super luminova and not the original style of dial.

In my opinion, I would not buy it - but I am a "purist"

Sorry I never looked closely to see the dial is not original to that watch (my bad)

Adam

freefly · 23 December 2016, 12:20 PM

Service dial.
Service hands.
Service bezel insert.
Service crystal.
Service bracelet (not 100%, but looks to be).
Service winding crown (not 100%, but looks to be).

michael067 · 23 December 2016, 05:00 PM

jvmartin · 23 December 2016, 06:17 PM

That extra "0" is looking a bit sketchy with the zoomed in photos...

kleno · 4 September 2017, 06:17 AM

Hi Guys,

I begin to fancy this watch more and more!

However, the 168000 really confuses me. If only produced for less than a year in '88-early '89, what will be the lowest serial number one could expect on a genuine 168000? I can find a number of conversion tables, all which will give different production years for a given serial number. Which one is to be trusted? The inconsistency of the conversion tables alone, seems to extend the production period to much more than 9 months.

- the confused Dane

GLADIATOR · 4 September 2017, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kleno

Hi Guys,

I begin to fancy this watch more and more!

What watch?
The one by the OP or the model?
Please clarify
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haven_seeker · 4 September 2017, 09:09 AM

I'm inclined to believe this is a modified 16800 as well. I've seen a 168000 IRL and the zero definitely does not match.

Abdullah71601 · 4 September 2017, 10:58 AM

Shouldn't the model number be centered under "ORIG ROLEX DESIGN"?

16800 would be, this 168000 is not.

kleno · 24 September 2017, 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

What watch?
The one by the OP or the model?
Please clarify
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Dear Gladiator

I am talking about the 168000, not the 666 on my wrist.What would be the lowest serial number one could expect on a genuine 168000? Anyone?

Best, Jacob

drefrank · 24 September 2017, 10:44 AM

Here is a photo of mine. Sorry but haven't quite got the hang of this macro lens yet.
This 168000 was purchased new by me from an AD in 1988. The serial is R590xxx

drefrank · 24 September 2017, 10:48 AM

Meant to include this as well.

GLADIATOR · 24 September 2017, 10:49 AM

nice

drefrank · 24 September 2017, 11:08 AM

Sorry about the multiple posts but I think I've finally got this right!

MorningTundra · 24 September 2017, 11:24 AM

Mine has a 93xxxxx serial.

I too am very confused by the date charts. Mine has matching papers with date of sale 1989...

Sent from my cracked, broken hand wound phone. IG @morning_tundra

GLADIATOR · 24 September 2017, 11:31 AM

Great photos

Andad · 24 September 2017, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MorningTundra

Mine has a 93xxxxx serial.

I too am very confused by the date charts. Mine has matching papers with date of sale 1989...

Sent from my cracked, broken hand wound phone. IG @morning_tundra

Nice,

Do you have pix of the model number etc. for comparison?

MorningTundra · 26 September 2017, 05:44 AM

Sent from my cracked, broken hand wound phone. IG @morning_tundra

21 December 2016, 08:29 AM	#2
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Looks good to me Should have the Rolex Caliber 3035 movement. I think your photo shows the watch running, as I can not see the micro-stella screws. Like here: https://www.google.es/search?q=Rolex...o-v0u0TPigM%3A I am sure thats just the photo, as all looks OK to me a __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

21 December 2016, 11:56 AM	#5
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,157	looks ok, has a service dial __________________ watches many

22 December 2016, 05:07 AM	#9
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	OK Movement is genuine I am sure to that! But I do think the zero has been added its a 16800 NOT a 168000 AND, as David pointed out this is a "service dial" - its from Rolex but is a maxi dial with super luminova and not the original style of dial. In my opinion, I would not buy it - but I am a "purist" Sorry I never looked closely to see the dial is not original to that watch (my bad) Adam __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

24 September 2017, 10:49 AM	#20
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	nice __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

24 September 2017, 11:24 AM	#22
MorningTundra "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Morningtundra Location: USA, UK & HKG Posts: 1,037	need help 168000 real or fake Mine has a 93xxxxx serial.I too am very confused by the date charts. Mine has matching papers with date of sale 1989... Sent from my cracked, broken hand wound phone. IG @morning_tundra

21 December 2016, 09:11 AM	#3
usrudiver932 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Larry B Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: 116610LN Posts: 207	Complete with laser mark at 6, as Adam says good

21 December 2016, 10:11 AM	#4
laxjoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: california Posts: 3	thank you GLADIATOR and usrudiver932 for reply i will try to get more clear picture and the watch stop movement picture tomorrow

22 December 2016, 12:50 AM	#7
NKflyer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Richard Location: Colorado Posts: 2,834	While I agree with the others that this is an authentic 1980's Sub Date with a replacement "service" dial and hands, I would be a tad cautious about the 168000 status. Although the exact serial number range for the 168000 is not know, 9.1 million seems a little early to me. Because the 168000 was made for less than one year, it was once thought that it would become a very valuable collectible so there have been some 16800's that were unscrupulously converted to 168000's by stamping an extra "0" into the case. Sometimes, the extra zero is quite crude and doesn't match the other zeros, but this doesn't seem to be the case based on your one photo... Is it possible to get a very clear closeup of the reference number stamp??

23 December 2016, 12:20 PM	#10
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	Service dial. Service hands. Service bezel insert. Service crystal. Service bracelet (not 100%, but looks to be). Service winding crown (not 100%, but looks to be).

23 December 2016, 05:00 PM	#11
michael067 Banned Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Mike Location: Las Vegas Watch: TT DJ 16233 Posts: 1,002

23 December 2016, 06:17 PM	#12
jvmartin "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,349	That extra "0" is looking a bit sketchy with the zoomed in photos...

4 September 2017, 06:17 AM	#13
kleno "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Jacob Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex Sea Dweller Posts: 28	Hi Guys, I begin to fancy this watch more and more! However, the 168000 really confuses me. If only produced for less than a year in '88-early '89, what will be the lowest serial number one could expect on a genuine 168000? I can find a number of conversion tables, all which will give different production years for a given serial number. Which one is to be trusted? The inconsistency of the conversion tables alone, seems to extend the production period to much more than 9 months. - the confused Dane

4 September 2017, 09:09 AM	#15
haven_seeker "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Northern Ontario Watch: 19018N OQ Posts: 848	I'm inclined to believe this is a modified 16800 as well. I've seen a 168000 IRL and the zero definitely does not match.

4 September 2017, 10:58 AM	#16
Abdullah71601 Banned Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Calumet Harbor Watch: ing da Bears Posts: 13,568	Shouldn't the model number be centered under "ORIG ROLEX DESIGN"? 16800 would be, this 168000 is not.

24 September 2017, 11:31 AM	#23
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Great photos __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

26 September 2017, 05:44 AM	#25
MorningTundra "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Morningtundra Location: USA, UK & HKG Posts: 1,037	Sent from my cracked, broken hand wound phone. IG @morning_tundra

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