Don't change the date between 10PM - 2AM?

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by cornerstore

I wonder does that mean vintage Tudor watches have this issue as well or was it dealt with when the movements were modified by Rolex?

I guess nobody has the answer to that question.

[franchise1450]

I just had this same issue with my brand new sub date ceramic. Date wouldn't change between 9pm and 3 am. I called two different Rolex service centers (NY and SF) and both advised never to change date during this time. I told them it wasn't mentioned in the manual and they said it doesn't matter, don't do it, it will break the watch eventually. I was feeling HEAVY. Resistance and the crown continues to spin despite date not moving.

That said, they told me unless my date is hanging loosely and so long as I went through all dates manually with no issues and so long as date changes automatically OK, I should be OK.

Quickset has nothing to do with this, don't change date between 9pm and 3am on any mechanical watch!!

[Alpino]

Originally Posted by franchise1450

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Quickset has nothing to do with this, don't change date between 9pm and 3am on any mechanical watch!!

Without quickset the only way to change the date is to turn hands until they reach midnight, which is just in the middle between 9pm and 3am ... so obviously quickset have something to do with this ...

[sco]

False, modern Rolex have instant date change, and can be adjusted safely at any time!

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by franchise1450

Quickset has nothing to do with this, don't change date between 9pm and 3am on any mechanical watch!!

Well then, please explain how one is supposed to change the date on a GMTII if you can't do it when the watch is between 9PM and 3AM.

I guess I'll have to reset my GMT to change dates at noon.

[joli160]

If Vanessa says that you can change the date at any given time than this is true. Simple as that.
Problem with contacting RSC's and AD's is that you are likely to get an answer from a sales rep and not from a trained watchmaker.

[craniotes]

Fact: You can change the date on a modern Rolex whenever you damn well please.

Fact: Most ETA movements don't cotton to this treatment thanks to the geartrain for the date mechanism being engaged between the hours of 10pm-2am

There really isn't any reason to continue to beat this horse – Tools nailed it the first time around.

Regards,
Adam

PS - FWIW, Blancpain's in-house movements are similar to Rolex's in that the date can be changed whenever the muse is upon you.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

Well then, please explain how one is supposed to change the date on a GMTII if you can't do it when the watch is between 9PM and 3AM.

I guess I'll have to reset my GMT to change dates at noon.

Badaching

[Dvenus11]

yes this is definitely true

[Mikey C]

Don't do it with a breitling, modern rolex is fine!

I paid the piper on this first hand with breitling

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by Dvenus11

yes this is definitely true

What is definitely true? And why? Thank you.

[versatile1]

Originally Posted by dsio

not so sure about that, my watchmaker said it was fine with my rolex, but a risk with my 7750 based seamaster.

Vanessa from trf made a post saying that it isn't an issue: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...highlight=date

and to be honest, i was under the impression only slow date change watches had a problem in this area, rather than rolex's which flick to the next date instantly.

x2

[Perrinyanna]

i just follow what other watch brands/manufacturers are recommending..no changing of date between 22;00-02;00 since i have nothing to lose..so during short months i just change the date during the time that is not near 22:00-02:00

[Eulogy]

Originally Posted by franchise1450

Quickset has nothing to do with this, don't change date between 9pm and 3am on any mechanical watch!!

So how should a non-quickset watch like my 1803 Day-Date (which I'm under the impression IS a mechanical watch) be adjusted to the correct date?

Originally Posted by Alpino

Without quickset the only way to change the date is to turn hands until they reach midnight, which is just in the middle between 9pm and 3am ... so obviously quickset have something to do with this ...

[rmfnla]

Originally Posted by dsio

Not so sure about that, my watchmaker said it was fine with my Rolex, but a risk with my 7750 based Seamaster.

Vanessa from TRF made a post saying that it isn't an issue: http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...highlight=date

and to be honest, I was under the impression only slow date change watches had a problem in this area, rather than Rolex's which flick to the next date instantly.

Originally Posted by Tools

No........ Your watchmaker is wrong... You do NOT need to worry about when you change the date on your Rolex...

It does NOT engage the date disk gears as on ETA and some other based movements. If you read an Omega manual, it specifically warns against this.. You won't find that warning in a Rolex manual.

Rolex uses a cam and lever for the date change.. Nothing is engaged, but when the main wheel reaches midnight a cam rolls into a slot releasing a spring loaded lever that slaps the date over one day.. thus, no gears to break..

Originally Posted by RolexguyinSF

I took one of my ceramic Rolex models two years ago to RSC at Bernecke's (authorized Rolex service facility) here in San Francisco. This watch was having a problem with the date switching over; it would switch half way over at midnight, and not completely all the way until 4-5 am. It was consistent, and repeatable. I spoke to Giovanni there, many here know him, as he's worked there for a long time, and is now the proprieter. When the work was completed, he said in the future when the date is incorrect (at the end of the month), wait until the next morning to change it. I told him I had heard something about not changing it at certain hours (10-2) and he said "it's best" to wait until the next day, as changing it at that time was not ideal.

One of the reasons I posted this was as I read the other posts, people seem to pass on information, that as far as I can tell (or at least RSC tells me) is just not correct. People repeat things here like gospel, but few, if any can back it up with any data or facts whatsoever. Please reply if you can tell me where, when, and how exactly you know this to be true / false, other than "I heard it at an AD" Otherwise it's nothing more that another WIS'ers opinion.



Thank you.

The first two posts cover it pretty well, I think...

[subtona]

like many questions in life, the answer is different for different people/watches depending on their particular situations.

Rolex modern = No problem

Patek modern 324= Big problem

AP modern/vintage "15202/2121"= actually is designed and requires, to change the date rock back and forth between 10pm and 2am repeatedly

[knageeb]

I tried to change the date in my modern DJ2 at 10:30 pm and noticed that it got stuck! I felt that if try to force it, the gears could break.

Then I tried changing it by rotating the hour hand and it worked fine. Next I repeated the first step to see if the same problem will come back. Well, there was no problem at all and I managed to change the date smoothly.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by jizeal

I was at the AD this weekend and I mentioned to the watchmaker that I hate having to change the date on my watch when it comes up in rotation so I dont want to see a Daytona Date.

He then advises that I should never change the date on any Rolex between 10PM and 2AM because the date disc is engaged in advancing and during this time you could damage the gears. Has anyone else heard something like this before?

It is true for eta movements. I don't believe its true for rolex in house. Still it's best not to change the date at those times.

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Still it's best not to change the date at those times.

Why?

It DOESN'T MATTER when you quick set a date on a ROLEX!

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

Why?

It DOESN'T MATTER when you quick set a date on a ROLEX!

I meant for the eta. Not the rolex in house. I wonder if there is any issue on the tudor in house.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

Why?

It DOESN'T MATTER when you quick set a date on a ROLEX!

Usually we close these resurrected old posts..

This one though, because it seems to come up all too often, and the expert and knowledgeable advice here-in, we'll let it ride again.

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by Tools

Usually we close these resurrected old posts..

This one though, because it seems to come up all too often, and the expert and knowledgeable advice here-in, we'll let it ride again.

I'm sorry... I tried to stay out of it (because it's so old) but I couldn't! It drives me bonkers

[doubleinfive]

Who changes dates between those hours anyway?

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by doubleinfive

Who changes dates between those hours anyway?

Everyone I know!

[eonflux]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

I'm sorry... I tried to stay out of it (because it's so old) but I couldn't! It drives me bonkers

Thanks, Vanessa, for jumping in.

So it's OK to change the calendar anytime, but is there anything to avoid when setting the time? For example, what about setting the time on, let's say, a Submariner, backwards across midnight, such as traveling west and setting the watch to an earlier timezone, crossing the dateline? On a GMT, that's OK because the calendar will go backwards along w/ the hour hand. But what about on a 3135 movement? Will be there any damage to the date mechanism?

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by eonflux

Thanks, Vanessa, for jumping in.

So it's OK to change the calendar anytime, but is there anything to avoid when setting the time? For example, what about setting the time on, let's say, a Submariner, backwards across midnight, such as traveling west and setting the watch to an earlier timezone, crossing the dateline? On a GMT, that's OK because the calendar will go backwards along w/ the hour hand. But what about on a 3135 movement? Will be there any damage to the date mechanism?

Nope, you can go backwards without any issues.

[eonflux]

Originally Posted by Vanessa CW21

Nope, you can go backwards without any issues.

Thanks!!
Very much appreciate your contributions to this forum.

[Vanessa CW21]

Originally Posted by eonflux

Thanks!!
Very much appreciate your contributions to this forum.

My pleasure

[Rashid.bk]

One of the reasons I like Rolex movements, set the time forward/backward whenever and when setting the date, it is clockwise on the crown, makes more sense.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by rosspanics

Yes, its true.

Not on any modern day Rolex so its un-true.