Nautilus prices softening

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Ah. I’ve always thought of u as a gold man :)

Getting older so the light weight is a boon.

[Analysing You]

Sooooo any one admit to paying 2-3 times over RRP

People need to chill out a little here, why can’t we accept that some buy through retail without any premium, some pay a little premium and others pay through the roof (albeit for different reasons). There is a place for everyone at the table


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[Commonproject]

latest one sold for <$59K 2018 complete

[martinr]

Go back a few years and look at what this PP forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

[WatchLurv]

Patek prices softening. Blame it on a small dip in the Dow or the Brexit scandal.

Real reason in the increase of prices are the Chinese pushing it skywards and the culmination of a cut in supply. Two factors.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by martinr

go back a few years and look at what this pp forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

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[pam66]

Originally Posted by martinr

Go back a few years and look at what this PP forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

why is that ridiculous? it is very interesting for me and apparently others to learn about the economics of the watch market. other than that, how many more pics of 5711, 5712,...... do we still need to see?

[Pim]

Originally Posted by pam66

why is that ridiculous? It is very interesting for me and apparently others to learn about the economics of the watch market. Other than that, how many more pics of 5711, 5712,...... Do we still need to see?

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[Bearxj86]

What is interesting is as follows:

Precious metal is not so precious in fine watch making. At the highest levels of horology, the cost of the materials are actually relatively immaterial.

Steel, tantalum and exotic materials like Ceramic and forged carbon are actually more expensive all-in to develop, manufacture (due to machinery and tooling) than precious metals- main exception is Platinum which is a PITA to finish.

Thus my hypothesis is the following: Precious metals such as WG, YG, RG are actually in the long run less expensive to produce or the lower cost of tooling and manufacturing outweigh the increased cost per gram.

[martinr]

Originally Posted by pam66

why is that ridiculous? it is very interesting for me and apparently others to learn about the economics of the watch market. other than that, how many more pics of 5711, 5712,...... do we still need to see?

I’ll use an analogy. If this were a Russian Literature forum and there was a Tolstoy sub forum what would you think if practically every thread turned into a multi page discussion of the book business, how many Tolstoy novels were sold, are the softcover versions a better deal than the hardcover, how hard is it to get a hardcover at a discount, my bookstore charges more than yours but I got a free Tolstoy hat and on and on. You find the watch business interesting and I don’t mind that at all but how many pictures of 5711’s or 5712’s do we need to see? How many pictures of houses in New Jersey or brick wall views in NYC do we need to see? And really it’s not so much the watch business comments but there’s so much irrelevant non watch talk now it’s made this into something it never was before.

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by martinr

go back a few years and look at what this pp forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

Originally Posted by russell996

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[Fat_ninja]

Sorry...

[MadSpaniard]

Originally Posted by martinr

Go back a few years and look at what this PP forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

Actually, it’s almost like the entire Patek forum has narrowed down to focus on only one watch, the Nautilus (with occasional mention of aquanaut when the nauti-talk boils over).

Maybe the moderators should just rename this the “Nautilus Sub-Forum”?

I find the current nauti obsession rather amazing. I mean, just a few years ago Patek had them sitting in the displays begging for buyers. Now people wet themselves at the mere mention of the word, and throw wads of cash into over-msrp premiums and crappy coerced bundles to get one.

As they say, money changes everything...

Let’s remind ourselves: it’s a nice watch but basically the same watch - it didn’t get any prettier or any uglier over the last few years. It only got a lot hotter...

[martinr]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Sorry...

OK and it’s not my forum so whatever you want to talk about go ahead. I just wanted say what I prefer.

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[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by martinr

OK and it’s not my forum so whatever you want to talk about go ahead. I just wanted say what I prefer.

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[tng11]

Originally Posted by martinr

Go back a few years and look at what this PP forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

This. This sub forum and the main Rolex forum unfortunately has been afflicted by this trend. Gets really boring after a while, many seem to be in it now for the $ and not for the watches themselves.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by martinr

I’ll use an analogy. If this were a Russian Literature forum and there was a Tolstoy sub forum what would you think if practically every thread turned into a multi page discussion of the book business, how many Tolstoy novels were sold, are the softcover versions a better deal than the hardcover, how hard is it to get a hardcover at a discount, my bookstore charges more than yours but I got a free Tolstoy hat and on and on. You find the watch business interesting and I don’t mind that at all but how many pictures of 5711’s or 5712’s do we need to see? How many pictures of houses in New Jersey or brick wall views in NYC do we need to see? And really it’s not so much the watch business comments but there’s so much irrelevant non watch talk now it’s made this into something it never was before.

well i read you but then it is the watch enthusiasts who have to bring back the fire....i am just here to learn about pateks and their market.

[pam66]

Originally Posted by MadSpaniard

Actually, it’s almost like the entire Patek forum has narrowed down to focus on only one watch, the Nautilus (with occasional mention of aquanaut when the nauti-talk boils over).

Maybe the moderators should just rename this the “Nautilus Sub-Forum”?

I find the current nauti obsession rather amazing. I mean, just a few years ago Patek had them sitting in the displays begging for buyers. Now people wet themselves at the mere mention of the word, and throw wads of cash into over-msrp premiums and crappy coerced bundles to get one.

As they say, money changes everything...

Let’s remind ourselves: it’s a nice watch but basically the same watch - it didn’t get any prettier or any uglier over the last few years. It only got a lot hotter...

i am with you on this. actually, i am now shifting away from PP sports watches. issue is i have no clou where to go to:::)))
actually, come to think of it, if i could borrow my wife's 5170P more often i would not need to go anywhere:::)))

[yoast]

Originally Posted by pam66

i am with you on this. actually, i am now shifting away from PP sports watches. issue is i have no clou where to go to:::)))

Same for me... back to AP lol

[dbfagan]

Originally Posted by martinr

Go back a few years and look at what this PP forum was about. It was about watches. Now it’s money money money. This thread is twelve pages long. Ridiculous.

Where is Walt Odets when you need him

[V25V]

Originally Posted by yoast

Same for me... back to AP lol

Not sure its any better over there, that's my experience to this point at least. Same crap.....

I just need my 5711R and I am done. Well.... maybe done. LOL

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by pam66

i am with you on this. actually, i am now shifting away from PP sports watches. issue is i have no clou where to go to:::)))

I am also moving away from PP sports watches... lol

[BigAppleBill]

Originally Posted by pam66 View Post
i am with you on this. actually, i am now shifting away from PP sports watches. issue is i have no clou where to go to:::)))

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

I am also moving away from PP sports watches... lol

Just in time for the new Lange sports watch!

[MadSpaniard]

Originally Posted by pam66

i am with you on this. actually, i am now shifting away from PP sports watches. issue is i have no clou where to go to:::)))

Hmmm, does that mean you’re leaving us all behind here in nauti-land and going over to the “dark side” (RM Forum)? :-)

Tip: try to get your hands on a Seiko Alpinist Blue. It will renew your faith in humanity (it’s that good...ok, almost :-). Cheers.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBill

Just in time for the new Lange sports watch!

Eh hem... RM lol

[BigAppleBill]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

Eh hem... RM lol

But of course. What was I thinking?!

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by BigAppleBill

But of course. What was I thinking?!

:) Maybe next week will swing by. This weeks been crazy too much Brexit stuff

[Russell996]

Watchprosite has a rigorously policed policy of no values ever being mentioned.

[Fat_ninja]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Watchprosite has a rigorously policed policy of no values ever being mentioned.

How’s their membership stats?

Edit. I try to find their membership base and such. Couldn’t find it..

[BigAppleBill]

Originally Posted by Fat_ninja

:) Maybe next week will swing by. This weeks been crazy too much Brexit stuff

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