Waiting for 16710 prices to go down?

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by HK852GMT

From what i read here (wee pinch of salt), the 3186 (Z or M) isn’t worth the stupid premium being charged. IMHO, the black dial is an excellent place to start. Discreet enough to go unnoticed except when required. Bezels are simple enough to change and you have a totally different watch. They are also priced markedly cheaper than an equivalent aged coke or pepsi.

100% agree. Buy a well used but unpolished black bezel. Save 1000s. Spend 700$ the moment you get it and send to RSC, ask for coke or pepsi insert to be fitted when they service. You’ll get back a watch that is selling for 3-4k more in pepsi guise...

[ADR1982]

Not true. The black bezel versions aren't noticeably different than the others. Check Chrono and davidsw and you'll find many black bezels trading for equal or more based on condition.

[SS Oyster]

Originally Posted by Gaijin

I think a world economic collapse/meltdown is coming. To make 2008 in the States seem like child's play.


There is way too much debt and speculation going on again. When China's bubble pops, watch out. Chaos. Worldwide.

Rolex prices will be impacted.

I don't think the price of 16170 and 16610 LVs will plummet. Maybe steady out. Level off. Not like the "Oh I should have bought 6 months ago!" that is happening now.

There will be some people that own them that will need cash and sell but these are not being made anymore and good examples with papers will hold their value.

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[hbk75]

Originally Posted by inadeje

100% agree. Buy a well used but unpolished black bezel. Save 1000s. Spend 700$ the moment you get it and send to RSC, ask for coke or pepsi insert to be fitted when they service. You’ll get back a watch that is selling for 3-4k more in pepsi guise...

I've check with RSC Singapore. They do not allow changing of color bezels other than the color that came originally with the watch.

[HK852GMT]

Originally Posted by hbk75

I've check with RSC Singapore. They do not allow changing of color bezels other than the color that came originally with the watch.

London St James's RSC definitely (as of three weeks ago) still allow insert changes (and allow you to keep your old one for a small fee). Hong Kong and Taipei definitely do not.

[Nairn1980]

I love the whole “not willing to pay inflated prices”

[hbk75]

Originally Posted by HK852GMT

London St James's RSC definitely (as of three weeks ago) still allow insert changes (and allow you to keep your old one for a small fee). Hong Kong and Taipei definitely do not.

Not everyone can afford to go uk to get a watch serviced. And if u bring it to rsc Singapore with the wrong bezel color. They will ask you to change it back.

[HK852GMT]

Originally Posted by hbk75

Not everyone can afford to go uk to get a watch serviced. And if u bring it to rsc Singapore with the wrong bezel color. They will ask you to change it back.

I was just giving information. What action or decision you make on the back of that is up to you. I’ve lost count of how many times someone on here has said to go to a watchmaker with a parts account. Such beasts just do not exist in HK. No need to worry about what can’t be done, just find ways to do what you can. Be positive :)

[GMT Aviator]

Most 16710's left the factory with no record of what colour bezel was fitted from new.

I've got four of them, all bar one has been through RSC for service and in all cases i've had the bezel insert re-newed and paid the extra to keep the original insert. On two of the three, I had the insert changed to a different colour. RSc were unable to tell me which colour bezel had been fitted to the watch from new. These were for 16710's manufactured in 2003 and 2004 and 2005. The one remaining 16710 I have not yet serviced at RSC was manufactured in 2009, right at the end of production of the reference.

[PepsiBezel]

I took my A-Serial to the RSC in Seoul. It is an original Pepsi (per the original hangtags), but I had a LN bezel insert, and hoped they’d let me switch to a Coke. They took the watch, ran the number, and then told me it was a Pepsi, and they’d only put in a Pepsi.

Of course, I got my LN insert from an AD in the US, and as well as a new Pepsi insert (keeping my old faded version) — but that was a long quest. Places very — but if you can find an AD or RSC that will swap and allow you to keep your original that is a great find!

[ras47]

Originally Posted by hbk75

Have a friend looking to buy 16710 but not too willing to pay the inflated pricing now. It should drop if waited a bit longer right?

Define "a bit longer." Could be tomorrow, could be next decade.

[Onikage]

Lol how long will this thread go on for?

[g_luck]

Originally Posted by GMT Aviator

Most 16710's left the factory with no record of what colour bezel was fitted from new.

I've got four of them, all bar one has been through RSC for service and in all cases i've had the bezel insert re-newed and paid the extra to keep the original insert. On two of the three, I had the insert changed to a different colour. RSc were unable to tell me which colour bezel had been fitted to the watch from new. These were for 16710's manufactured in 2003 and 2004 and 2005. The one remaining 16710 I have not yet serviced at RSC was manufactured in 2009, right at the end of production of the reference.

Maybe in London but in the US the warranty card will say A, B, or C and that will determine what it was born as......and Rolex does know.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by Onikage

Lol how long will this thread go on for?

Too long but here to join in the fun.

[kegan]

When Rolex corrects the disaster which is the modern GMT lineup and they can be found
for sale in showcases you will be able to get a great deal on an old used 16710.

[hbk75]

Originally Posted by Onikage

Lol how long will this thread go on for?

Until the 16710 prices drops.

[VacherObsessive]

OPs friend waiting for 16710 to drop in price...

[MrCowboy99]

when is the last time you saw prices drop?

[Wrist King]

Prices have never dropped. They may rise more slowly than CPI, but never down.

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[Onikage]

Originally Posted by hbk75

Until the 16710 prices drops.

*Observes wrist.

[nuts070]

The economic system is feeding itself, so the dreaded recession which is the only way that will cause the drop in prices, will never happen. I was in Hong Kong twice last year, each time I passed on buying the blnr for $2k over list in grey price. Had I took the opportunity, I could have an easy $12k. The best time to buy is today.

[cop414]

These prices might level off eventually but I don’t ever think that they are going to drop. I predict that the next crazy price hike will be the 14060, mark my words.

[hbk75]

Originally Posted by cop414

These prices might level off eventually but I don’t ever think that they are going to drop. I predict that the next crazy price hike will be the 14060, mark my words.

because you have a 14060m right?

[strafer_kid]

Originally Posted by kegan

When Rolex corrects the disaster which is the modern GMT lineup and they can be found
for sale in showcases you will be able to get a great deal on an old used 16710.

Really? Am looking forward to that....

[sdh1980]

Originally Posted by GMT Aviator

Most 16710's left the factory with no record of what colour bezel was fitted from new.

I've got four of them, all bar one has been through RSC for service and in all cases i've had the bezel insert re-newed and paid the extra to keep the original insert. On two of the three, I had the insert changed to a different colour. RSc were unable to tell me which colour bezel had been fitted to the watch from new. These were for 16710's manufactured in 2003 and 2004 and 2005. The one remaining 16710 I have not yet serviced at RSC was manufactured in 2009, right at the end of production of the reference.

If its a true BLRO it will denote this on the green swimpruf tag i.e 16710 BLRO.... sadly most of these have gone missing now. Black will usually say 16710 LN

[cop414]

Originally Posted by hbk75

because you have a 14060m right?

But of course!

[sillo]

Originally Posted by g_luck

Maybe in London but in the US the warranty card will say A, B, or C and that will determine what it was born as......and Rolex does know.

It will only say A, B or N on the warranty after ~1999. Before that they were all labeled 16710A. Hang tags usually had the insert color, but those are usually the first part of a set to disappear.

[Ucerveza]

Life is too short, to wait for prices to go down:

This is my new piece:
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[iliketime]

Originally Posted by Nairn1980

I love the whole “not willing to pay inflated prices”

happens in every hobby probably

[iliketime]

my 16710ln came at cost of my 14060M+speedy reduced +$500 cash and this was a few years back. still kicking myself because ill never get a full kit 14060M at that price again and I had the cash to cover it. keep waiting or not, if it makes you happy buy it.