The Rolex Forums   The Rolex Watch

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX


Go Back   Rolex Forums - Rolex Watch Forum > Rolex & Tudor Watch Topics > Vintage Rolex Discussion
Reload this Page 5517 Bezel: Original or Fake?
Register FAQ Calendar

Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 22 October 2019, 02:16 AM   #1
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
5517 Bezel: Original or Fake?
Hi everyone,

I've recently found this 5517 on a bankruptcy auction...
The Bezel does not seem original. I would really appreciate if you could share your opinions on the originality (or lack thereof) of the watch.

Apologies for the bad quality of the images...

Thanks

pic 1.jpg

pic 2.jpg

pic 3.jpg
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:19 AM   #2
Juhuatai
2024 Pledge Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Chicago
Watch: 5508 & 9401
Posts: 639
Can't say anything with the image quality.
Juhuatai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:22 AM   #3
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
I understand, me neither.
However, what I can see is that the Bezel has additional intervals compared to most of the 5517 I've seen online. Am I wrong?
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:24 AM   #4
exador
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,600
Missing the sword hands as well. What’s the estimate?
exador is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:28 AM   #5
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juhuatai View Post
Can't say anything with the image quality.
I think the Bezel marks are still visible. You can notice 4 marks instead of 3...
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:32 AM   #6
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by exador View Post
Missing the sword hands as well. What’s the estimate?
going for USD 10k
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:37 AM   #7
offrdmania
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member
 
offrdmania's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Real Name: Matt
Location: Wine Country, Ca
Posts: 5,849
Quote:
Originally Posted by exador View Post
Missing the sword hands as well. What’s the estimate?
Those look like sword hands to me
__________________
TRF Member 11738
offrdmania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:39 AM   #8
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by offrdmania View Post
Those look like sword hands to me
I am positive on the sword hands... cannot see much for the images.
The question is really on the Bezel... any opinions?
Thanks
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:44 AM   #9
offrdmania
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member
 
offrdmania's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Real Name: Matt
Location: Wine Country, Ca
Posts: 5,849
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellachioma View Post
I am positive on the sword hands... cannot see much for the images.
The question is really on the Bezel... any opinions?
Thanks
You need to post larger, clearer and closer pics or a link to the auction site. The pics you posted are horrible and really hard to see.
__________________
TRF Member 11738
offrdmania is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 02:53 AM   #10
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by offrdmania View Post
You need to post larger, clearer and closer pics or a link to the auction site. The pics you posted are horrible and really hard to see.
This is really the best I can do...

pic 5517.jpg
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 03:50 AM   #11
cardiel
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: uk
Posts: 362
get it!
cardiel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 04:01 AM   #12
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardiel View Post
get it!
Bezel seems off!
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 04:04 AM   #13
southtexas
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
 
southtexas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Great State of TX
Posts: 5,684
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellachioma View Post
Bezel seems off!
If you don't want it due to the bezel, you could post the auction site info here?
__________________
Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me.

Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex
southtexas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 04:10 AM   #14
exador
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,600
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellachioma View Post
going for USD 10k
A $200,000 watch going for 10k. Riiiiiiight...
exador is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 04:11 AM   #15
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by exador View Post
A $200,000 watch going for 10k. Riiiiiiight...
Well... that’s what is currently happening. Bankruptcy auction in a developing country. Still haven’t managed to get one single comment on the bezel eheh
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 04:59 AM   #16
1675-David
"TRF" Member
 
1675-David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 6,014
based on these fotos alone I wouldn't be prepared to gamble 10k on that watch. Can you post the military issue number from the caseback? There are a number of well known fakes that use known numbers and wait for Mr. Wood to chime in.
1675-David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:02 AM   #17
1665fan
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: East coast
Posts: 6,591
Get it for 10 I’ll give you 15
1665fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:30 AM   #18
linesiders
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
 
linesiders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: RedSox Nation
Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis
Posts: 5,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellachioma View Post
Well... that’s what is currently happening. Bankruptcy auction in a developing country. Still haven’t managed to get one single comment on the bezel eheh
You got plenty of comments on the photos though, that might be the root of your problem.
__________________
I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!
linesiders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:31 AM   #19
ianmcg
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: London
Posts: 113
Even with the comedy photos since you can see the lug holes it's game over...
ianmcg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:38 AM   #20
77T
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
 
77T's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Real Name: PaulG
Location: Georgia
Posts: 40,725
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellachioma View Post
Well... that’s what is currently happening. Bankruptcy auction in a developing country. Still haven’t managed to get one single comment on the bezel eheh

Welcome to TRF

You’re not going to get meaningful comments with such poor pictures. That is, other than “stay away” if the auction house is deliberately sending you such poor pictures.

But in the spirit of helping, here are a couple of shots - it is genuine and from an auction performed by a reputable house - the differences should jump off the page for you.






Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
__________________


Does anyone really know what time it is?
77T is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:43 AM   #21
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Thank you
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:46 AM   #22
Bellachioma
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: CDMX
Posts: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianmcg View Post
Even with the comedy photos since you can see the lug holes it's game over...
thanks for your comment
Bellachioma is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 05:53 AM   #23
linesiders
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
 
linesiders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: RedSox Nation
Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis
Posts: 5,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianmcg View Post
Even with the comedy photos since you can see the lug holes it's game over...

Except that sometimes the fixed lug is removed.

But the photos are not strong enough to tell anything else.
__________________
I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!
linesiders is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 October 2019, 07:20 AM   #24
1665fan
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: East coast
Posts: 6,591
Roll the dice!!!
1665fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 October 2019, 02:13 AM   #25
endo
"TRF" Member
 
endo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: .
Watch: AP 15703 & PP 5990
Posts: 131
Quote:
Originally Posted by southtexas View Post
you could post the auction site info here?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bellachioma View Post
Well... that’s what is currently happening. Bankruptcy auction in a developing country. Still haven’t managed to get one single comment on the bezel eheh
sure its not a proceeds of crime auction?
google reverse image search brings up

https://www.ivgvarese.it/inserzioni/...adrante-608992

https://www.benimobili.it/vendita/or...20-278524.html
endo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 October 2019, 03:24 AM   #26
exador
Banned
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: NZ
Posts: 2,600
Quote:
Originally Posted by endo View Post
sure its not a proceeds of crime auction?
google reverse image search brings up

https://www.ivgvarese.it/inserzioni/...adrante-608992

https://www.benimobili.it/vendita/or...20-278524.html
Ha ha. Never realised Italy was a “developing country”

Rolex brand watch in steel, non-original fabric strap mod. Submariner matriculation 5339906 model 5517 movement caliber 1520 black index oxidised and retouched dial, black ferrule, esalite glass without lens with box and some parts modified.

The resident MilSub experts would know if that was within the correct serial range or not.
exador is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 October 2019, 05:08 AM   #27
SubKing
"TRF" Member
 
SubKing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: USA
Watch: where do i start??
Posts: 3,254
im still waiting for you guys to tell me what you think about this piece?
SubKing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 October 2019, 05:36 AM   #28
1675-David
"TRF" Member
 
1675-David's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 6,014
1675-David is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 24 October 2019, 05:47 AM   #29
southtexas
2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member
 
southtexas's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Great State of TX
Posts: 5,684
Interesting that the referenced experts missed this thread.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
__________________
Forty six & 2 are just ahead of me.

Follow me on Instagram @ccrolex
southtexas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24 October 2019, 06:00 AM   #30
subx
"TRF" Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: usa
Posts: 524
Quote:
Originally Posted by SubKing View Post
im still waiting for you guys to tell me what you think about this piece?
I see what you did here,... and I like it :)
subx is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply
Page 1 of 2 1 2

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Asset Appeal

My Watch LLC

OCWatches

DavidSW Watches

Coronet

Takuya Watches

Bobs Watches


*Banners Of The Month*
 This space is provided to horological resources.



Contact Us - The Rolex Forums - Archive - Top


Copyright ©2004-2024, The Rolex Forums. All Rights Reserved.

ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

Rolex is a registered trademark of ROLEX USA. The Rolex Forums is not affiliated with ROLEX USA in any way.