Did Rolex lose it's soul with the 43mm Sea Dweller?

[Swiss Mad!]

Nobody criticises or questions the relevance of the TT Submariner so why hate on the TT Sea Dweller???

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Nobody criticises or questions the relevance of the TT Submariner so why hate on the TT Sea Dweller???

Excellent point!! Perhaps to some, the SD is a "more pure" dive watch that should only be used to dive to depths of 4000 feet!

[subdateII]

Originally Posted by crazycarlitos

First of all, I m confused by ur title.
Are u saying Rolex lost its soul ? Or are u saying sea dweller lost its soul ?

Secondly, I don’t realize companies and/or watches have souls..

Lastly, I find it odd u have a problem with pretty-much-a-new-design sea-dweller (New size, new bracelet, new movement, etc) when Rolex has been re-issuing Daytona and gmt with nothing more than ceramic bezel and color changes...
Did u have same problem about sub-c “losing soul” when Rolex put the sub into a new Super-case and maxi dial with no other changes? Or did the ceramic bezel make it “innovative” enough for u to say “sub has soul”

1. I'm wondering if there is a departure from past in their approach towards their product line.
2. It is Rolex contention that their is a spirit/soul behind them (not mine). Check their literature or my earlier post.
3. I'm mentioning the size increase of this model which didn't come with any increase in performance versus it's predecessor.
4. Didn't they also change the bracelet when they issued the SubC?

[subdateII]

Originally Posted by Swiss Mad!

Nobody criticises or questions the relevance of the TT Submariner so why hate on the TT Sea Dweller???

The Submariner only exists in stainless steel. It is the Submariner Date that exists in PM.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by subdateII

The Submariner only exists in stainless steel. It is the Submariner Date that exists in PM.

Sub and Sub no date for me. It's just a nickname. I call both mine ND and many people do the same.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by fsprow

Yes I have an Oceanic dive computer but put it on my opposite wrist only when going deep or long. Just got back from the Maldives. Phenomenal.

Best, Frank


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Which etere were you diving? We did Dhigurah in south atoll and from 12m to 18m, we were relieved to see everything come back to color

[petay993]

C'mon guys lets think about this rationally, the SD, historically, is a classic specialist tool watch, hence the depth rating, to launch it in bi metal and convert it in to a fashion trinket for posers is nonsense.

Sure it will find buyers but it is still nonsense.

[Raza_actual]

Originally Posted by FTX I

Sub and Sub no date for me. It's just a nickname. I call both mine ND and many people do the same.

By Rolex’s own naming system, the only watch referred to solely as “Submariner” is the “no date”. All other models are called “Submariner Date”. I refer to my Submariner as a “no date” on occasion as well—unfortunately effective communication can mean using the language in common usage rather than what is technically correct.

As for the topic at hand, while I personally don’t like the 43mm Seadweller, Rolex sells lots of glitzy, flashy, and showy watches and has done for a long time. As long as they still sell watches like the proper steel Submariner (the one without a date) and the Explorer, Rolex as a company still has its “soul”.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Raza_actual

By Rolex’s own naming system, the only watch referred to solely as “Submariner” is the “no date”. All other models are called “Submariner Date”. I refer to my Submariner as a “no date” on occasion as well—unfortunately effective communication can mean using the language in common usage rather than what is technically correct.

I don't care.

[Token74]

It never had a soul.


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[crazycarlitos]

Originally Posted by subdateII

I'm mentioning the size increase of this model which didn't come with any increase in performance versus it's predecessor.

Oh u mean like the 216570, aka explore 2 ? Did that lose its soul, too?

To say u don’t like the new sea dweller is one thing.. but to say it lost its soul is silly. Lol

Also, FYI, submariner date is still a submariner last time I checked.

[Steerpike999]

If it did, the market will speak and they wont sell and Rolex will stop making them.
in my opinion this is a silly question (lost their soul....)
Don't like the 43mm? Don't buy it and/or tell your friends not to buy it.

[subdateII]

Originally Posted by crazycarlitos

Oh u mean like the 216570, aka explore 2 ? Did that lose its soul, too?

Great point! Yes for the Explorer II when they increased the size to 42m (from 40mm) and no for the Explorer that went for 36mm to 39mm

[Steerpike999]

Rolex be like:



Source: One of my all time favourite movies, "Undercover Brother"

[FTX I]

By the way, perhaps some of you guys could give Rolex a call and tell them to stop using "Submariner" in their official advertisements when they should be using "Submariner Date".

[1665fan]

Cyclops should be optional on sd43....its not meant for a SD

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by FTX I

By the way, perhaps some of you guys could give Rolex a call and tell them to stop using "Submariner" in their official advertisements when they should be using "Submariner Date".

Exactly. People tend to romanticize this non-issue. The modern Sea Dweller is not a real Sea Dweller, a date Sub is not a real Sub, etc.. A sub is a sub with or without a date. Some people need to live in the past. A real tool watch vs a posers watch (whatever that supposed to mean). Watches today are better than ever, the choices are too. There is something for everyone!

Personally, I love the fact there are choices. If you don't like the TT SD then don't buy it...simple.

[nick800]

What? It’s damn near perfect

[GoingPlaces]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Cyclops should be optional on sd43....its not meant for a SD

Why not? What is the impact of having one?

[No SUBctitute]

Originally Posted by 037

The dial is 1mm larger in diameter, minute hand is longer and the hour hand is wider/larger overall. And, the date is easier to read with a cyclops. That's four enhancements to legibility, despite being incremental.

I still prefer the 40mm myself.

Thanks for clarifying. Very interesting.

[Rrpdc]

Originally Posted by 33js

not with the stainless, but they sold their soul on the bi-metal horror.

+1

[IAN1]

Sub should be 43 as well and probably will eventually. Once you go 43, you wont go back to 40.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by GoingPlaces

Exactly. People tend to romanticize this non-issue. The modern Sea Dweller is not a real Sea Dweller, a date Sub is not a real Sub, etc.. A sub is a sub with or without a date. Some people need to live in the past. A real tool watch vs a posers watch (whatever that supposed to mean). Watches today are better than ever, the choices are too. There is something for everyone!

Personally, I love the fact there are choices. If you don't like the TT SD then don't buy it...simple.

I know the Submariner is the first version without date of course. The Submariner Date was only released in 1969. Not 1966 like I thought. I started a thread on the vintage section and the conclusion after 5 pages was 1969. The problem is when some decide to correct and enlighten other members. Sub No date is just a nickname. The only non superhero/non soda nickname and people freak out about it lol.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by petay993

C'mon guys lets think about this rationally, the SD, historically, is a classic specialist tool watch, hence the depth rating, to launch it in bi metal and convert it in to a fashion trinket for posers is nonsense.

Sure it will find buyers but it is still nonsense.

And the DSSD isn't nonsense? No human can withstand the depth rating of this watch! It is strictly a "look at me" piece.

[GoingPlaces]

I think this is really a gold vs ss issue. Does gold react differently when you deep dive? I doubt it, so this is really a “why would someone go diving with a gold (TT) watch”? Which brings us back to why does Rolex make a gold sub?

Some people may want to go diving wearing a gold watch. Nothing wrong with that.


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[Raza_actual]

Originally Posted by FTX I

I don't care.

You’re as free to not care as anyone is free to correct you.

[Raza_actual]

Originally Posted by FTX I

By the way, perhaps some of you guys could give Rolex a call and tell them to stop using "Submariner" in their official advertisements when they should be using "Submariner Date".

It’s really beginning to feel like you do care.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Raza_actual

You’re as free to not care as anyone is free to correct you.

You should correct Rolex instead.

Originally Posted by Raza_actual

It’s really beginning to feel like you do care.

If you say so.

[Burgman]

Originally Posted by IAN1

Sub should be 43 as well and probably will eventually. Once you go 43, you wont go back to 40.

right...

[Pilliam]

I own a 2018 Bluesy and 2019 SD43. I have a 7 inch wrist and love them both for different reasons; although I honestly find the SD43 to wear more comfortably. They're both badass in their own right.