New Omega Speedmaster Professional cal3861

[Kernow]

I like them both

[1William]

I look forward to seeing this new model. I might be a buyer.

[mmaggi]

Originally Posted by Macnavara

Nice...shame they caved into changing the word manned to human....less historically correct imo

I don't think they caved at all. This version has a new movement. NASA certified this new version. There are plenty of female astronauts unlike the Gemini & Apollo missions.

This is the NEW Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch.

[alllexandru]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

IlNASA certified this new version..

Where did you find this information?
NASA didn’t made this.
I’m not into debate manned or/vs humans but let’s get things real

[DoctorA]

I might be biased but aesthetically I like the current version more than than the new one!

[Easy E]

So, they took an ugly bracelet and made it worse. Neat.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by mmaggi

I don't think they caved at all. This version has a new movement. NASA certified this new version. There are plenty of female astronauts unlike the Gemini & Apollo missions.

This is the NEW Speedmaster Professional Moonwatch.

The term "manned" simply means having a human crew. Changing the wording is historically incorrect and unnecessary.

As for the watch itself, not digging the bracelet. The old bracelet had its problems but I always liked it. Would prefer the keep the bracelet but alter the clasp to allow for on-the-go micro adjustment.

[samson66]

With descriptions of the changes

[Macnavara]

Originally Posted by samson66

The term "manned" simply means having a human crew. Changing the wording is historically incorrect and unnecessary.

As for the watch itself, not digging the bracelet. The old bracelet had its problems but I always liked it. Would prefer the keep the bracelet but alter the clasp to allow for on-the-go micro adjustment.

This....and im not into the man vs woman debate im simply saying not historically correct but it is what it is.....ill still be buying one

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by samson66

The term "manned" simply means having a human crew. Changing the wording is historically incorrect and unnecessary.

As for the watch itself, not digging the bracelet. The old bracelet had its problems but I always liked it. Would prefer the keep the bracelet but alter the clasp to allow for on-the-go micro adjustment.

If people are complaining about manned vs human not being historically correct then what about the new 3861 movement? That's way off the mark. The modern 1861 bracelet also isn't correct. Times change and human is now the period correct text for 2020 period.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by texasmade

If people are complaining about manned vs human not being historically correct then what about the new 3861 movement? That's way off the mark. The modern 1861 bracelet also isn't correct. Times change and human is now the period correct text for 2020 period.

It also says "The First Watch Worn On The Moon"

It doesn't say "A Distant Cousin Of The First Watch Worn On The Moon With A New Movement And Modern Bracelet"

So clearly they are advertising this watch to basically the closest thing you can get to the actual watch worn on the moon in 1969. To me, it makes more sense to keep the wording the same as was used in 1969 which was "manned space missions." There was no need to update that wording in my opinion and strikes me as caving the the modern PC crowd at the expense of history. I don't recall too many people complaining about "manned" being on the back of that watch...

Maybe on the 50th Anniversary watch they should change the quote on the back to read "One Small Step For A Human, One Giant Leap For Humankind" as well???

[henrylee]

I like the taper of the new bracelet but don’t like the look of the new bracelet

[texasmade]

Originally Posted by samson66

It also says "The First Watch Worn On The Moon"

It doesn't say "A Distant Cousin Of The First Watch Worn On The Moon With A New Movement And Modern Bracelet"

So clearly they are advertising this watch to basically the closest thing you can get to the actual watch worn on the moon in 1969. To me, it makes more sense to keep the wording the same as was used in 1969 which was "manned space missions." There was no need to update that wording in my opinion and strikes me as caving the the modern PC crowd at the expense of history. I don't recall too many people complaining about "manned" being on the back of that watch...

Maybe on the 50th Anniversary watch they should change the quote on the back to read "One Small Step For A Human, One Giant Leap For Humankind" as well???

What about the incorrect movement and bracelet? That's not correct either and hasn't been correct for like 50 years since that last version went to the moon.

[mmaggi]

I'm convinced people enjoy splitting hairs. Whatever.

I'll buy the Speedy Pro Moonwatch after waiting 2 years for the Snoopy-50 and realizing I can't get one. And it will be the NASA certified Hesalite version.

[ratty]

I think the moon connection to these watches is getting more and more tenuous. It's probably fair to say that the current watches evolved from the models used in the moon landings, but they have never been to the Moon.

I do like some of the new details such as the chrono seconds hand, but the bracelet does nothing for me. The current / older version is still very tempting with it's hesalite crystal and solid case back still available with a good price reduction over the MRRP.

[Bozack90]

Originally Posted by ratty

I think the moon connection to these watches is getting more and more tenuous. It's probably fair to say that the current watches evolved from the models used in the moon landings, but they have never been to the Moon.

I do like some of the new details such as the chrono seconds hand, but the bracelet does nothing for me. The current / older version is still very tempting with it's hesalite crystal and solid case back still available with a good price reduction over the MRRP.

This

the current watch at least has some ties to the original in the movement and for just how long it was around, this new one outside of the looks of it and the plastic crystal, its basically a whole new watch. The new model in that image above looks like a strange fusion of the flat lug style and the current one, whereas if I google 1960 speedmaster it looks identical to the current model.

I don't believe NASA did the testing on this movement either so there is that.

[trippinjimmy]

Originally Posted by samson66

It also says "The First Watch Worn On The Moon"

It doesn't say "A Distant Cousin Of The First Watch Worn On The Moon With A New Movement And Modern Bracelet"

So clearly they are advertising this watch to basically the closest thing you can get to the actual watch worn on the moon in 1969. To me, it makes more sense to keep the wording the same as was used in 1969 which was "manned space missions." There was no need to update that wording in my opinion and strikes me as caving the the modern PC crowd at the expense of history. I don't recall too many people complaining about "manned" being on the back of that watch...

Maybe on the 50th Anniversary watch they should change the quote on the back to read "One Small Step For A Human, One Giant Leap For Humankind" as well???

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by Bozack90

This

the current watch at least has some ties to the original in the movement and for just how long it was around, this new one outside of the looks of it and the plastic crystal, its basically a whole new watch. The new model in that image above looks like a strange fusion of the flat lug style and the current one, whereas if I google 1960 speedmaster it looks identical to the current model.

I don't believe NASA did the testing on this movement either so there is that.

Agreed. The old version is a vintage watch in every sense of the word and logged thousands of hours of time in space. I love the dial and the movement on this new watch, but it’s really more of an homage piece, like the FIOS. Nothing wrong with that, but you are right it’s a tenuous tie to the real deal at best. I mean omega needs to get this NASA certified and actually worn by astronauts who are more and more turning to the x33. Otherwise this will just be an homage piece.

That said, if this new watch drops and for the price proposed, it’s likely the best chrono under 15k. Highly accurate, antimagnetic, incredible legibility, and not so get people in a stir, as good if not better than the Daytona.

[Thanos]

Speedy Pro moving forward is dead. This isnt THE moonwatch. Fake news.

Lemania Speedy is the 'moonwatch'

[Bozack90]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Agreed. The old version is a vintage watch in every sense of the word and logged thousands of hours of time in space. I love the dial and the movement on this new watch, but it’s really more of an homage piece, like the FIOS. Nothing wrong with that, but you are right it’s a tenuous tie to the real deal at best. I mean omega needs to get this NASA certified and actually worn by astronauts who are more and more turning to the x33. Otherwise this will just be an homage piece.

That said, if this new watch drops and for the price proposed, it’s likely the best chrono under 15k. Highly accurate, antimagnetic, incredible legibility, and not so get people in a stir, as good if not better than the Daytona.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't try to get this one into space, if not with NASA then in some deal with Elon and SpaceX

As for the cost, I actually think that is another thing to watch as this won't be cheap given its manual wind and has low water resistance and the "affordable" model with a plastic crystal....really anything is a better deal than street for a Daytona or a 321 speedy, but I can think of a bunch of other chronographs which will be pretty attractive.

And if Rolex drops a tudor chrono with the new movement and a more legible design than the black bay, that might get some attention.

[owl.]

Originally Posted by C0d

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I am really liking he spear shaped chrono hand and larger pushers. Also hoping that the crown is easier to wind and that the clasp has quick adjustment.

Wait so is this new watch also flight qualified then ?


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[ratty]

Assuming that this info is correct, are the pushers on this new version the same as those on the new Snoopy version?

I’ve just looked at a picture of the new Snoopy and the pushers appear to be wider and not as high as the current watch.

[Sandpit]

I’m just glad I bit the bullet and bought the 1861 earlier this year instead of hanging out for a new model.

The new bracelet design looks odd with that narrow centre link.

[ratty]

Originally Posted by Sandpit

I’m just glad I bit the bullet and bought the 1861 earlier this year instead of hanging out for a new model.

The new bracelet design looks odd with that narrow centre link.

This has certainly got me thinking about buying one whilst they are still available.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by C0d

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I am really liking he spear shaped chrono hand and larger pushers. Also hoping that the crown is easier to wind and that the clasp has quick adjustment.

Also looks like the spear second hand moves further out on the dial (away from center) and will be less obstructive to the subdials. Dial and subdial legibility is Always a plus for me

[JParm]

I'll stick with my Apollo 11 50th and its awesome bracelet.

I'm perplexed why Omega can't get this right in terms of just putting that bracelet on everything...if it is indeed just for "special" editions, then so be it, but that new bracelet in the leak is no better than the current one, IMO (save for the taper).

[mmaggi]

What I don't understand is why can't Omega put a micro adjustable clasp on every metal bracelet. Makes no sense to me.

[Arcticsub]

Great leak. Looks like better finishing on the hands.

The text font is VERY different.

Don't really like the bracelet but that's subjective.

Glad they kept the hesalite version and it still being flight qualified.

Very glad I got my 1861 speedy when I did.

[alllexandru]

Originally Posted by Arcticsub

Very glad I got my 1861 speedy when I did.

Of course

[AdamW]

Thinner case and that bracelet? HELL YEAH!