Why isn't anyone talking about this on the new Sub??

[GreatScott]

Everyone is caught up in colors. Can we discuss..

1) Dial and Bezel. When they introduced the SD43 they kept the small dial and increased the bezel width and the width of the steel knurling to make the extra 3mm. They should have increased the dial by 2 mm to keep the proportions accurate.

What did they do to the sub?

2) the 21mm bracelet. Finally! The maxi case is top heavy so this should make it feel more balanced. Does it now taper to 17mm?



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[Juan Luis]

Anyone know the lug to lug measurement of the new 41 versus the old?

[REFZ]

How do you know the new bracelet is 21mm?
I haven't seen the dimensions of it anywhere.

If it is a 21mm bracelet maybe the 21mm jubilee of the 126300 / 126334 will fit the new Submariner.

[marc2828]

I would like to know where the extra 1mm comes from also...is the ceramic insert size the same? Are the knurls bigger? If the bezel is the same size (which I think it is not) is the case width 1mm wider? I think the lugs are 21mm. I like the taper on the thinner lugs and the other side view taper. The minute hand is longer also. And the two most important changes...1) the 70hr 3230/35 movement, and 2) the wider bracelet...really made a difference on the Deepseas 2 years ago.

[hitman23]

Also read they are using a twinlock on the sub. WTF?

[coffeebreak]

Originally Posted by hitman23

Also read they are using a twinlock on the sub. WTF?

Triplock crown still based on the Rolex website

[Xenon]

Great Scott! You are right, GreatScott!

[Sandpit]

Originally Posted by coffeebreak

Triplock crown still based on the Rolex website

Bizarrely it said Twinlock earlier on today

[gt0279a]

From my observations:

-Lug to Lug appears larger, ~50mm
-Dial is slightly larger
-Hour hand is larger, Minute hand longer
-Crystal is larger, indicated my larger distance from cyclops to edge
-Crystal is raised above bezel, similar to 5 digit SUBs
-Rehaut is further angled, similar to SD43
-Width of Ceramic is the same, bezel is increased in diameter
-Bracelet is wider (21mm) Midlink width is the same
-Bracelet taper may not be the same (less taper)

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by REFZ

How do you know the new bracelet is 21mm?
I haven't seen the dimensions of it anywhere.

If it is a 21mm bracelet maybe the 21mm jubilee of the 126300 / 126334 will fit the new Submariner.

It's 21mm. That's on Rolex website..

[904VT]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

Everyone is caught up in colors. Can we discuss..

1) Dial and Bezel. When they introduced the SD43 they kept the small dial and increased the bezel width and the width of the steel knurling to make the extra 3mm. They should have increased the dial by 2 mm to keep the proportions accurate.

What did they do to the sub?

2) the 21mm bracelet. Finally! The maxi case is top heavy so this should make it feel more balanced. Does it now taper to 17mm?



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I’ve been telling everyone here for years now that when Rolex refreshed the Sub they would increase bracelet width as a visual tool. Pretty obvious the direction they were going with the Black Bays leading the way. Once the SD43 moved up, I thought odds increased even greater. Now Rolex can have the Sub and SD share the same bracelet again. The lugs weren’t shaved down, but rather still the same size as the last Sub. This watch has no increase in size.

[Heady Topper]

Originally Posted by gt0279a

From my observations:

-Lug to Lug appears larger, ~50mm
-Dial is slightly larger
-Hour hand is larger, Minute hand longer
-Crystal is larger, indicated my larger distance from cyclops to edge
-Crystal is raised above bezel, similar to 5 digit SUBs
-Rehaut is further angled, similar to SD43
-Width of Ceramic is the same, bezel is increased in diameter
-Bracelet is wider (21mm) Midlink width is the same
-Bracelet taper may not be the same (less taper)

Appreciate that

Not sure how I feel. I like the proportions but would've been nicer at 40mm/20mm. My main concern in the L2L. I have 6.75 non-flat wrists and can't really afford to go further on L2L. That being said, for those whom it will fit, it's quite nice.

[Juan Luis]

Originally Posted by gt0279a

From my observations:

-Lug to Lug appears larger, ~50mm
-Dial is slightly larger
-Hour hand is larger, Minute hand longer
-Crystal is larger, indicated my larger distance from cyclops to edge
-Crystal is raised above bezel, similar to 5 digit SUBs
-Rehaut is further angled, similar to SD43
-Width of Ceramic is the same, bezel is increased in diameter
-Bracelet is wider (21mm) Midlink width is the same
-Bracelet taper may not be the same (less taper)

Thanks for that!
If I am not mistaken, the lug to lug of the old version is almost the same. Good news!

[gt0279a]

Originally Posted by 904VT

I’ve been telling everyone here for years now that when Rolex refreshed the Sub they would increase bracelet width as a visual tool. Pretty obvious the direction they were going with the Black Bays leading the way. Once the SD43 moved up, I thought odds increased even greater. Now Rolex can have the Sub and SD share the same bracelet again. The lugs weren’t shaved down, but rather still the same size as the last Sub. This watch has no increase in size.

Judging by this photo, it looks like they used the same clasp as the SD43

[WatchNutcase]

Originally Posted by gt0279a

From my observations:

-Lug to Lug appears larger, ~50mm
-Dial is slightly larger
-Hour hand is larger, Minute hand longer
-Crystal is larger, indicated my larger distance from cyclops to edge
-Crystal is raised above bezel, similar to 5 digit SUBs
-Rehaut is further angled, similar to SD43
-Width of Ceramic is the same, bezel is increased in diameter
-Bracelet is wider (21mm) Midlink width is the same
-Bracelet taper may not be the same (less taper)

Ceramic bezel insert is also wider according to what I've read.

[gtnator]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

Everyone is caught up in colors. Can we discuss..

1) Dial and Bezel. When they introduced the SD43 they kept the small dial and increased the bezel width and the width of the steel knurling to make the extra 3mm. They should have increased the dial by 2 mm to keep the proportions accurate.

What did they do to the sub?

2) the 21mm bracelet. Finally! The maxi case is top heavy so this should make it feel more balanced. Does it now taper to 17mm?



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SD43 dial appears wider than DSSD dial.

[REFZ]

Originally Posted by jrubero

It's 21mm. That's on Rolex website..

I really can't find that info anywhere not on the Rolex website and not in the brochures (pdf) so that's why I asked where they state the dimensions of the new oyster bracelet.

[mongrelnomoad]

God damn it. I was all 'meh', and then with the dissection I'm like 'hm', and now I'm like 'hubba'.

[JoseR]

Originally Posted by REFZ

I really can't find that info anywhere not on the Rolex website and not in the brochures (pdf) so that's why I asked where they state the dimensions of the new oyster bracelet.

More updates can be seen on the case; the lug width is now 21mm and are slimmer, in order to be consistent with the increased diameter and the crown guards have been redesigned and are now more angled.

https://monochrome-watches.com/2020-...26610ln-price/

[campfire]

Yep, agree. Interested in the measured lug to lug and taper.

[synrrgy]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Great Scott! You are right, GreatScott!

The maxi case on the 116610 makes it look bigger than the newer 41mm.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

Everyone is caught up in colors. Can we discuss..

1) Dial and Bezel. When they introduced the SD43 they kept the small dial and increased the bezel width and the width of the steel knurling to make the extra 3mm. They should have increased the dial by 2 mm to keep the proportions accurate.
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Where are you getting this information from? I am pretty confident that the dial was also increased proportionally along with the hands, bezel, etc. when they moved from the SD4K to the SD43

[GreatScott]

Originally Posted by samson66

Where are you getting this information from? I am pretty confident that the dial was also increased proportionally along with the hands, bezel, etc. when they moved from the SD4K to the SD43

I own it, it’s the same. They did add a thick steel ring rehaut to make it look bigger. But it isn’t.

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

Everyone is caught up in colors. Can we discuss..

1) Dial and Bezel. When they introduced the SD43 they kept the small dial and increased the bezel width and the width of the steel knurling to make the extra 3mm. They should have increased the dial by 2 mm to keep the proportions accurate.

What did they do to the sub?

2) the 21mm bracelet. Finally! The maxi case is top heavy so this should make it feel more balanced. Does it now taper to 17mm?



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I’ve also been told the watches are less tall (thinner).

In terms of bracelet, this is the same playbook as the SD43 in terms of proper proportions.

[alphadweller]

Originally Posted by samson66

Where are you getting this information from? I am pretty confident that the dial was also increased proportionally along with the hands, bezel, etc. when they moved from the SD4K to the SD43

Originally Posted by GreatScott

I own it, it’s the same. They did add a thick steel ring rehaut to make it look bigger. But it isn’t.

Very difficult to tell the difference with the naked eye, I think the dial of the SD43 is larger than the Sub's by less than 1mm, like 0.3mm or thereabout, i.e. 27.3 vs 27 according to my measuring attempt with a ruler. We won't know for sure until someone puts a caliper on it.

[mykii]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Great Scott! You are right, GreatScott!

God the crown guards on the new one are killing me!

[Krash]

If lug to lug is 50mm, then it's a man's watch more so than ever. That's for sure.

My 114060 measures at slightly less than 48mm, and lots of folks on TRF can't wear it at that length.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by GreatScott

I own it, it’s the same. They did add a thick steel ring rehaut to make it look bigger. But it isn’t.

I have always heard the SD43 dial is 1mm larger than the Sub and SD4K dials.

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[Jackumi]

Originally Posted by Xenon

Great Scott! You are right, GreatScott!

Regarding the changes to the submariner case and lug widths, I think a major point has been missed. If you look at the side by side images of the currant v new they both still have the same overall oblong "soap bar" basic dimensions because the width of the outside edges of the lugs and the lug to lug they are virtually exactly the same. On the new sub the inner edges of the lugs have been machined to accommodate the new 21mm wide bracelet, which automatically reduces the lug widths. So to my eyes the overall case shape has not changed. It is the increase in bracelet width that has made the visual difference. I consider if you machined the current sub`s lugs to accommodate the 21mm bracelet the watches would look identical!

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by Jackumi

Regarding the changes to the submariner case and lug widths, I think a major point has been missed. If you look at the images of the currant v new they both still have the same overall oblong "soap bar" basic dimensions because the width of the outside edges of the lugs and the lug to lug they are virtually exactly the same. On the new sub the inner edges of the lugs have been machined to accommodate the new 21mm wide bracelet, which automatically reduces the lug widths. So to my eyes the overall case shape has not changed. It is the increase in bracelet width that has made the visual difference. I consider if you machined the current sub`s lugs to accommodate the 21mm bracelet the watches would look identical!

It’s both the outside and inside of the lug.