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Old 18 February 2020, 10:34 AM   #1
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Which submersible?

Question for fellow Panerai enthusiasts

I've got a 000 Luminor and the 232 Radiomir, but lately I find myself looking at submersibles. Which one given the following criteria?

No Panerai in house movement for a larger range of service options
No tritium markers - luminova or super luminova preferred

I really wish Panerai made a no date submersible, but I don't believe they did? Which model is the quintessential PAM sub?

Post some pics if you can and thanks!
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Old 18 February 2020, 11:31 AM   #2
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The Bronzos are the submersibles to get. I have the 382 and 671. 671 has a thinner movement.

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Old 18 February 2020, 11:53 AM   #3
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Very nice pair especially the 382 but I would prefer stainless.
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Old 18 February 2020, 01:44 PM   #4
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I went with this little guy, the 973, and Iím pretty nuts about it.

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Old 19 February 2020, 01:48 AM   #5
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I have always liked the pam25, I finally found one I liked and pulled the trigger.


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Old 19 February 2020, 03:02 AM   #6
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I like the 1305 and 692 (8.25" wrist)
Also the carbotechs

Not submariner clones like 99% of other divers
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Old 20 February 2020, 06:32 AM   #7
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I have a 683 and completely love it. It was a spontaneous buy but I donít regret it for a second. It is the only PAM I own though so have no reference point
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Old 21 February 2020, 03:02 AM   #8
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Panerais really speak to me, the submersibles especially. A good friend and fellow Porschephile managed to trade some bit of Zuffenhausen hardware for a Panerai Submersible. I'm not sure the Ref, but it has the green rubber strap. I'm envious of it and lust and other Pams... badly.

What does the TRF collective like for a reference article or place to start to savvy up on the different Panerai Submersibles?
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Old 22 February 2020, 12:54 AM   #9
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The most equintessential Submersible models are probably the PAM 1305/305 and PAM 1024/24. I own the 1305 which I absolutely love. It is massive though. Given your criteria, the PAM 1024/24 would be the better choice because it does not have an inhouse movement. Most of the Luminor 1950 Submersibles from the recent past have in house movements. I'm fairly certain every Submersible being produced today is equipped with an in house movement.

I am not familiar with any Submersible model that does not have the date. I can't think of one actually. They all use the same movement except those that have chrono complications. The bronze models are really hot right now, but they are very heavy and not practical in my opinion. To each their own...
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Old 22 February 2020, 04:52 AM   #10
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The most equintessential Submersible models are probably the PAM 1305/305 and PAM 1024/24. I own the 1305 which I absolutely love. It is massive though. Given your criteria, the PAM 1024/24 would be the better choice because it does not have an inhouse movement. Most of the Luminor 1950 Submersibles from the recent past have in house movements. I'm fairly certain every Submersible being produced today is equipped with an in house movement.

I am not familiar with any Submersible model that does not have the date. I can't think of one actually. They all use the same movement except those that have chrono complications. The bronze models are really hot right now, but they are very heavy and not practical in my opinion. To each their own...


Thatís great. Thank you.

Date complications tend to be personal on whether the reader wants them. For me, I like dates on all my watches, so the fact the 24 and 305 have them is all good by me.

The massive, chunk of the watch is what I love. And their Italian origins speak to me as a Ducatisiti and Aprilia owner.

The bronzos are certainly interesting and evoke a bit of steampunk. A neat addition for a collector, though I love the classic color ways.

As for the movements; is it mainly preference? Is there much difference?
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Old 22 February 2020, 06:15 AM   #11
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The 9010 is slimmer than the 9000.
What this means to you is the 1305 and other 9010 movement models will sit lower on your wrist than their 9000 predecessors (like the 305). With a watch as big as the 1305/305 and other 47mm submersibles, I can appreciate the slimmer profile. Weighs less, gets bumped into less, etc..

Not an expert on movements though in terms of mechanics/specifics or accuracy....
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Old 23 February 2020, 02:02 AM   #12
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The 9010 is slimmer than the 9000.
What this means to you is the 1305 and other 9010 movement models will sit lower on your wrist than their 9000 predecessors (like the 305). With a watch as big as the 1305/305 and other 47mm submersibles, I can appreciate the slimmer profile. Weighs less, gets bumped into less, etc..

Not an expert on movements though in terms of mechanics/specifics or accuracy....
Well said. I am not a technical expert either, but anecdotally this is my understanding as well. The 3 digit Submersibles (PAM305) have thicker movements and thus thicker cases. The 4 digit Submersibles (PAM1305) have thinner movements and sit closer to the wrist. I find this desirable as the watch is already pretty large. That said, the new Submersibles have touches of blue on the dials and hands that you might not like. The older models are more "monochrome."

The in house movements are pretty similar from what I understand. Both have a noticeable "wobble" that the ETA movement also possesses from the main rotor. You get used to it pretty quickly.

At the end of the day, all Submersibles 44mm or greater will feel chunky and "industrial." There is nothing refined about them. I like mine because it contrasts well with my Submariner which is more refined obviously and my Aquatimer which sits somewhere in the middle between the two.
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Old 23 February 2020, 04:59 AM   #13
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The 9010 is slimmer than the 9000.
What this means to you is the 1305 and other 9010 movement models will sit lower on your wrist than their 9000 predecessors (like the 305). With a watch as big as the 1305/305 and other 47mm submersibles, I can appreciate the slimmer profile. Weighs less, gets bumped into less, etc..

Not an expert on movements though in terms of mechanics/specifics or accuracy....
Interesting. Part of the Panerai allure to me is the chunkiness. Makes sense, though once you consider actually living with it and wearing it. What we see online and by extension, what we lust after, can be different once we actually have it on the wrist.

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Well said. I am not a technical expert either, but anecdotally this is my understanding as well. The 3 digit Submersibles (PAM305) have thicker movements and thus thicker cases. The 4 digit Submersibles (PAM1305) have thinner movements and sit closer to the wrist. I find this desirable as the watch is already pretty large. That said, the new Submersibles have touches of blue on the dials and hands that you might not like. The older models are more "monochrome."

The in house movements are pretty similar from what I understand. Both have a noticeable "wobble" that the ETA movement also possesses from the main rotor. You get used to it pretty quickly.

At the end of the day, all Submersibles 44mm or greater will feel chunky and "industrial." There is nothing refined about them. I like mine because it contrasts well with my Submariner which is more refined obviously and my Aquatimer which sits somewhere in the middle between the two.
That big, chunky, industrial design is what I love. Though I hear you on the dials and colors. I like the monochrome design and I'm finding I like the numerals on the dials of the 205s.

Such first world problems we have here with watches.
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Old 23 February 2020, 06:01 AM   #14
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I am 100% for the newer blue lettering on the dials
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I am 100% for the newer blue lettering on the dials
Oh my, that does look good.

Is that an OEM band or aftermarket?
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Old 23 February 2020, 07:57 AM   #16
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Oh my, that does look good.

Is that an OEM band or aftermarket?
OEM.

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Old 23 February 2020, 02:07 PM   #17
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Old 23 February 2020, 07:25 PM   #18
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I have a 25 from 2008. 44mm. And the most comfortable watch I own. Also my most accurate watch. It’s a workhorse.
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