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Old 24 March 2024, 02:32 AM   #1
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Thoughts on a 1655

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This 1655 just sold at auction in the UK for £12,500 plus premium. Seems to have been potentially a decent deal.

What are your thoughts on it? There do seem to be some irregularities.

No movement picture, serial is 43266XX dates to 1976.















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Old 24 March 2024, 02:37 AM   #2
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oh dear... someone took a hit
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Old 24 March 2024, 04:02 AM   #3
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Guides on 1655

https://www.watchprosite.com/rolex/t...74096.3563066/

https://www.watchprozine.com/rolex/t...w/3417081/732/
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Old 24 March 2024, 04:07 AM   #4
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Just thinking about the dial and ignoring everything else. T Swiss T so would need to be mk 1,2 or 3. But it doesn’t match any of those.
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Old 24 March 2024, 04:09 AM   #5
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Yes I did review both of those.

The dial has some inconsistiences.. which I guess would indicate a fake. It seems to sit vaguely between MK2 & 3.

Any insight on what else flags would be most helpful. I know these are a minefield.
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Old 24 March 2024, 04:29 AM   #6
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The case and hands looks very suspect together with the dial point to the whole thing being fake.
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Old 24 March 2024, 04:30 AM   #7
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The dial is important.

Next look at the bezel. In theory it is a fat font bezel but it doesn’t actually look like a mk 1 or mk 2 bezel if you look at the shape of the numbers they don’t look right.

It’s therefore looking like a fake bezel and a fake dial.

The starting point is to consider the whole watch. Does the shape and balance of it feel right? Do the proportions look right? It’s hard on photos but to me it all feels wrong. Someone could correct that.

Also look at the bracelet clasp. Do the markings and date code look right?
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Old 24 March 2024, 04:42 AM   #8
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This is the listing.

https://www.easyliveauction.com/cata...items-lot-140/

I agree something feels off. Especially in comparison to this one where everything feels right.. or at least it seems.

https://www.easyliveauction.com/cata...sale-lot-1114/

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Old 24 March 2024, 05:58 AM   #9
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That one looks better. It should be checked against the guide to be sure.

I believe it has the wrong bracelet but that isn’t really an issue.
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Old 24 March 2024, 06:00 AM   #10
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That one looks better. It should be checked against the guide to be sure.

I believe it has the wrong bracelet but that isn’t really an issue.
A wrong rivet is a right rivet. That sold for 16k plus nearly 30 percent commission (20,768.40 to be exact)
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Old 24 March 2024, 06:03 AM   #11
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Well it looks like a mk1 dial with a mk2 bezel and straight second hand. The price seems reasonable/good. A 7836 might be £1500 and the rivet is worth more.
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Old 24 March 2024, 07:12 AM   #12
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an expensive lesson for the buyer. best of luck to him.
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Old 24 March 2024, 10:12 AM   #13
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This watch is (in all likelihood) a frankenstein... It is fake! For sure the case is wrong wrong wrong! That dial too... Look at how "droopy" the lug tips are when viewing the case from the side... that is not how a rolex case looks..

Also, the coronet on the dial is incorrect...

Fake in my opinion. Be very careful, OP!
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Old 24 March 2024, 06:53 PM   #14
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The first watch is not genuine. Are you saying the second isn’t right?

I think it it is correct.
https://www.ryedaleauctioneers.com/c...sale-lot-1114/

The photos aren’t good. I should imagine certain lens will distort the actual shape of the case. Both watches have sold anyway so it is little late to be careful on these two!
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Old 24 March 2024, 07:14 PM   #15
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The first watch is not genuine. Are you saying the second isn’t right?

I think it it is correct.
https://www.ryedaleauctioneers.com/c...sale-lot-1114/

The photos aren’t good. I should imagine certain lens will distort the actual shape of the case. Both watches have sold anyway so it is little late to be careful on these two!
No I was just saying the second watch appears to be much more balanced and correct… and the price reflected it.
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Old 24 March 2024, 07:32 PM   #16
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That was more directed to only5 who mentions that a case looks droopy and I agree that the second watch looks curved on the side profile in an unusual way but I think that is down to the photography. I’m asking the question as I realise I could be wrong.
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Old 24 March 2024, 08:37 PM   #17
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This looks very much like the piece I posted about last May here:-

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=905133

Sold for £16,000 all in last time. I can't remember which auction house sold it. However, I called them and spoke to their 'specialist' for quite a while, exchanging pictures and listing anomalies. He agreed it wasn't right, but they just carried on with it and sold it regardless.

Even if you're a relative novice with vintage Rolex like me, anyone with 5 minutes spare could find at least one major issue with it, just as I did. The rest then follow fairly easily.

I'm guessing last year's auction winner eventually realised, let the dust settle and released it back into the wild!!
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Old 24 March 2024, 08:48 PM   #18
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Maybe watch out for it coming up again soon.

But there is a second watch in this thread. That one is okay isn’t it?
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Old 24 March 2024, 09:24 PM   #19
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Out of curiosity, I just went back to my messages from last May and found that it was the same Auction House who had this last time. So they have now knowingly sold a rather expensive fake at least twice.

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Old 24 March 2024, 10:31 PM   #20
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Old 24 March 2024, 11:27 PM   #21
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It’s in the original link
https://www.easyliveauction.com/auct...ichaeljbowman/

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Both listings. Confirmed as same watch. Same story that the vendor wouldn’t allow for the case to be opened.



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Old 25 March 2024, 02:11 AM   #23
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Yes well sleuthed one and all. No good. Tbh I'm always on guard when anything other the a 70/80s 1675 or the like is on a 6251h or worse still a 62510h as I've found it is often a 'cover'.

Whilst not impossible, dealers did everything to keep punters happy of course and swapped out bracelets, but I've not come across an original supplied 1655 on either a 6251h or a pre 68 rivet either as watch was launched c 1970.
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Old 25 March 2024, 02:58 AM   #24
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Both listings. Confirmed as same watch. Same story that the vendor wouldn’t allow for the case to be opened.
That’s a smoking gun in my opinion… Micheal J Bowman
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