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yannis · 6 January 2009, 02:31 AM

I have just acquired the GMT-IIc which is my second GMT and second Rolex altogether.
There is some kind of magic about these watches that really got me into finally buying them both. First was the 16710 Pepsi that really caught my attention and gave me some headache about how soon i would be able to get it when i was in my late teens. I was quite young so robbing a bank was the only option....i thought i had to get to law school and be a good kid so i postponed the purchase along with any evil plans.
Later on in life, when i had the money, i had some other priorities so it all kept on being cancelled until last October-November when (at the age of 31) i finally acquired my GMT-II Pepsi!
I thought that's it i am done now! However something happened that changed my belief that my GMT-II 16710 would be my last watch....i came across this forum! Bugger! I kept on seeing all these pics of Subs, Sea-Dwellers, Explorers, Date-Just, etc etc. However it seems that my heart was set for the ceramic GMT! All i have been doing the last couple of months is researching through reading reviews and browsing pictures of the GMT-IIc! So i finally got it today! I hold TRF partly responsible for the hole in my pocket

One thing i have to say about the GMT-IIc is that very few pictures can capture its beauty. And i think the same happens to the GMT-II 16710!
They are both great watches and everyone knows by now that, indeed, the ceramic has all the new goodies like a maxi-dial, the ceramic bezel, trip-lock crown, new bracelet and clasp, the 3186 movement with the Parachrom spring, fat hands.
On these grounds alone i get the understanding that these watches are quiet different. The only major similarity between these two watches (other than the ordinary similarities among all oyster sports watches made by Rolex) is the GMT function enabled by the fourth hour hand!
However, although the GMT-IIc is an updated watch and leap forward rather than an evolutionary step for Rolex, i believe there is still something about the 16710 (and its predecessors) that gets you to favour it over most modern equivalents. And i have gladly found many others in this forum who support this idea too!
I think part of it is the fascination for its history, part the fact that it has been discontinued and part because Rolex has not yet presented us with a Pepsi or Coke ceramic.
So, before i made up my decision i considered all the above and thought that although i liked the idea of an updated and sophisticated watch like the ceramic GMT, i would never do that by parting with my Pepsi. And one thing i can say is that i am not having any regrets over my decision!!
Thanks for reading and sorry if i bored you to death!!

louie · 6 January 2009, 02:40 AM

Pictures!

louie · 6 January 2009, 02:56 AM

before you post,let me have the honour...

louie · 6 January 2009, 02:59 AM

to reply on the subject...YESH!Definetly!I would luv to own the ceramic model too...(already started saving)

They both simply AWESOME!

sheldonsmith · 6 January 2009, 11:34 AM

Yes, exactly. Can't make up my mind, so I own both. Actually, I flipped a traditional 16710 for a 16710 w/3186 movement. (FWIW, my comparison is posted at http://www.minus4plus6.com/116710.htm).

The 116710 is my everyday watch with the 16710 in the safe. I also added a sapphire caseback to the 16710 (another story at http://www.minus4plus6.com/caseback.htm).

Nonetheless, yes, own both watches as they are both different, classic, and cool.

-Sheldon

yannis · 6 January 2009, 03:58 PM

Hi Sheldon!! Nice reviews man i have read them all that is a very good webpage!!

asadtiger · 6 January 2009, 07:16 PM

congratulations Yannis...

I agree with everything you said and especially with the point that the older may be more collectable but that essentially they are two watches with very different characters and amazing beauty=ies in different and their own rights...so its great you got both...congrats and pst pics of them together

yannis · 6 January 2009, 07:44 PM

Pics will follow when my digital camera is sorted guys! Thanks for the responses!

Gasoil4ever · 7 January 2009, 06:47 AM

Congrats dude !

I am 31 too, just got my 16710 a week ago after 15 years waiting for it... thinking it will be the one and only... but keep looking at the other member of the GMT family (116710, Explorer II...or why not a 16710 Pepsi :-D)

God i hate (?!?) this forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

mck22 · 7 January 2009, 07:17 AM

I really love the Pepsi GMT II I want one of those so bad I cant see striaght!!! Nice looking watches guys

superformance · 7 January 2009, 09:49 AM

I just sold my mint 5mil 1675... pls help me make up my mind : buy another 1675 or buy a GMT II ceramic S/S. please share your thoughts

Gasoil4ever · 8 January 2009, 06:10 AM

As soon as i can i'll buy a pre-loved Pepsi 16710 (could be with the 3185 this time) then i'll for sure end up buying a 116710... i REALLY hate this forum ! lol

yannis · 8 January 2009, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gasoil4ever

As soon as i can i'll buy a pre-loved Pepsi 16710 (could be with the 3185 this time) then i'll for sure end up buying a 116710... i REALLY hate this forum ! lol

Do you know you can get a Pepsi bezel on your GMT-II for 40 euros from Rolex ye?

SPORTSFAN · 12 January 2009, 03:18 AM

Hi Yannis,

To answer your question Yes we slould have both.
The GMT II never really spoke to me until I got the GMT IIC,I always felt that it wore a bit light compared to my Sub.
After I got the IIC I tried the Pepsi on and that was it.
They are so different that they compliment each other perfectly.

Regards Mike.

gmt master x · 12 January 2009, 03:47 AM

But Of Course....
16750 pepsi
16710 pepsi
116710 c
and thats just the rolex gmt's
Looking forward to see what rolex shows us at the spring show...
Cheers

yannis · 12 January 2009, 06:02 AM

Mike as i have already told you you have a great collection there mate! I am one down but i will catch up with you some time mate

yannis · 12 January 2009, 06:08 AM

Franklin you own all three mate? Great watches 16750 is also a beauty on a jubilee!!

Andad · 20 January 2009, 07:13 PM

Yes.

buz-lh · 21 January 2009, 12:49 AM

I agree that the 116710 is so different from any previous GMT that it is a must have. I'm looking to pull the trigger on one today. So that will give me three; 16750,16710,116710. I hope to add the 1675, 16760 and the 16700 in the future. I'm afraid the 6542 is out of my reach. I have both bezels, Pepsi and black and both bracelets for the 16750 and all three bezels for the 16710 and I can put the super jubilee from my DJ on it, so right now there are 10 different combinations with the two watches. With the 116710 it is one way only, but it is a great piece.

greenfan · 21 January 2009, 12:55 AM

I don't know, maybe they are different, but I'd never buy a GMT IIc, while having the GMT II. The are same watches IMO. I could buy a ceramic one, having sold the GMT II before. On the other hand I could easily buy a second ROLEX especially if it was foe a white face Daytona or a new ceramic Submariner....

yannis · 21 January 2009, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buz-lh

I agree that the 116710 is so different from any previous GMT that it is a must have. I'm looking to pull the trigger on one today. So that will give me three; 16750,16710,116710. I hope to add the 1675, 16760 and the 16700 in the future. I'm afraid the 6542 is out of my reach. I have both bezels, Pepsi and black and both bracelets for the 16750 and all three bezels for the 16710 and I can put the super jubilee from my DJ on it, so right now there are 10 different combinations with the two watches. With the 116710 it is one way only, but it is a great piece.

Hey Buz can you post some pics of the watches mate?

Gasoil4ever · 21 January 2009, 06:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yannis7777

Do you know you can get a Pepsi bezel on your GMT-II for 40 euros from Rolex ye?

Of course... but why not buy another one ? After all its a sexy watch

SirLoki · 30 January 2009, 02:06 AM

to me they are quite different in feel and look. GMTII being more sporty and casual and the GMTIIC being the same watch in function but more formal in feel and design.

I own both and have never looked back nor questioned owning both.

yannis · 30 January 2009, 04:57 AM

Here are mine!! I will agree with you Brian!!

Gasoil4ever · 30 January 2009, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yannis7777

Do you know you can get a Pepsi bezel on your GMT-II for 40 euros from Rolex ye?

Yes i know ! Because of you just bouhgt one from Busa 180 on this forum lol Now i have both bezels !!

Now i am waiting to see if a Pepsi 116710 comes out at Basel, cause i do like the Sub LV, but i can't get used to the green GMT hand...

But anyways never will i sell my 16710, its such a classic !!!

Congrats to all of you lucky GMT Owners !!

yannis · 30 January 2009, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gasoil4ever

Yes i know ! Because of you just bouhgt one from Busa 180 on this forum lol Now i have both bezels !!

Now i am waiting to see if a Pepsi 116710 comes out at Basel, cause i do like the Sub LV, but i can't get used to the green GMT hand...

But anyways never will i sell my 16710, its such a classic !!!

Congrats to all of you lucky GMT Owners !!

Happy for you bro!! Now you have two watches without the need to buy two of them!! You can spend your spare euros on another model!! 116710 is a watch i definitely recommend man!

DaveInLA · 1 February 2009, 06:41 AM

IMO, GMT II > GMT IIc.

JJ Irani · 1 February 2009, 06:44 AM

Honestly, Yannis....I wouldn't want to own both.

Just the no lug-hole PEPSI GMT-II 16710 on the Super Jubilee would do me fine, thank you!!

yannis · 1 February 2009, 06:52 AM

Hey Dave and JJ thanks for the input guys!!

JJ i thought you would go for the 116710 tbh!!

JJ Irani · 1 February 2009, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yannis7777

Hey Dave and JJ thanks for the input guys!!

JJ i thought you would go for the 116710 tbh!!

Well, I really love that PEPSI look and I'm simply DYING to own the Super Jubilee.

As you know, I recently even ordered a Super Jubilee in the hope it would fit my Platty; but sadly no luck.

Yes, it's gotta be the PEPSI on Super Jubilee - that would be my DREAM combo.

JJ

6 January 2009, 02:31 AM	#1
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	GMT-II 16710 VS GMT-IIc - Should we own both? I have just acquired the GMT-IIc which is my second GMT and second Rolex altogether. There is some kind of magic about these watches that really got me into finally buying them both. First was the 16710 Pepsi that really caught my attention and gave me some headache about how soon i would be able to get it when i was in my late teens. I was quite young so robbing a bank was the only option....i thought i had to get to law school and be a good kid so i postponed the purchase along with any evil plans. Later on in life, when i had the money, i had some other priorities so it all kept on being cancelled until last October-November when (at the age of 31) i finally acquired my GMT-II Pepsi! I thought that's it i am done now! However something happened that changed my belief that my GMT-II 16710 would be my last watch....i came across this forum! Bugger! I kept on seeing all these pics of Subs, Sea-Dwellers, Explorers, Date-Just, etc etc. However it seems that my heart was set for the ceramic GMT! All i have been doing the last couple of months is researching through reading reviews and browsing pictures of the GMT-IIc! So i finally got it today! I hold TRF partly responsible for the hole in my pocket One thing i have to say about the GMT-IIc is that very few pictures can capture its beauty. And i think the same happens to the GMT-II 16710! They are both great watches and everyone knows by now that, indeed, the ceramic has all the new goodies like a maxi-dial, the ceramic bezel, trip-lock crown, new bracelet and clasp, the 3186 movement with the Parachrom spring, fat hands. On these grounds alone i get the understanding that these watches are quiet different. The only major similarity between these two watches (other than the ordinary similarities among all oyster sports watches made by Rolex) is the GMT function enabled by the fourth hour hand! However, although the GMT-IIc is an updated watch and leap forward rather than an evolutionary step for Rolex, i believe there is still something about the 16710 (and its predecessors) that gets you to favour it over most modern equivalents. And i have gladly found many others in this forum who support this idea too! I think part of it is the fascination for its history, part the fact that it has been discontinued and part because Rolex has not yet presented us with a Pepsi or Coke ceramic. So, before i made up my decision i considered all the above and thought that although i liked the idea of an updated and sophisticated watch like the ceramic GMT, i would never do that by parting with my Pepsi. And one thing i can say is that i am not having any regrets over my decision!! Thanks for reading and sorry if i bored you to death!! __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

6 January 2009, 02:40 AM	#2
louie "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Lewis Location: Earth Watch: The Beast Posts: 1,352	Pictures! __________________ " I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

6 January 2009, 02:56 AM	#3
louie "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Lewis Location: Earth Watch: The Beast Posts: 1,352	before you post,let me have the honour... __________________ " I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

6 January 2009, 02:59 AM	#4
louie "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Lewis Location: Earth Watch: The Beast Posts: 1,352	to reply on the subject...YESH!Definetly!I would luv to own the ceramic model too...(already started saving) They both simply AWESOME! __________________ " I THINK PERFECTION IS UGLY. SOMEWHERE IN THE THINGS HUMANS MAKE, I WANT TO SEE SCARS, FAILURE, DISORDER AND DISTORTION" - YOHJI YAMAMOTO

6 January 2009, 11:34 AM	#5
sheldonsmith 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Member 202♛ Posts: 1,810	Yes, I ended up owning both... Yes, exactly. Can't make up my mind, so I own both. Actually, I flipped a traditional 16710 for a 16710 w/3186 movement. (FWIW, my comparison is posted at http://www.minus4plus6.com/116710.htm). The 116710 is my everyday watch with the 16710 in the safe. I also added a sapphire caseback to the 16710 (another story at http://www.minus4plus6.com/caseback.htm). Nonetheless, yes, own both watches as they are both different, classic, and cool. -Sheldon __________________

6 January 2009, 03:58 PM	#6
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Hi Sheldon!! Nice reviews man i have read them all that is a very good webpage!! __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

6 January 2009, 07:16 PM	#7
asadtiger "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Asad A. Awan Location: kabul, Afghanista Watch: Tissot PRX Posts: 2,698	congratulations Yannis... I agree with everything you said and especially with the point that the older may be more collectable but that essentially they are two watches with very different characters and amazing beauty=ies in different and their own rights...so its great you got both...congrats and pst pics of them together

6 January 2009, 07:44 PM	#8
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Pics will follow when my digital camera is sorted guys! Thanks for the responses! __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

7 January 2009, 06:47 AM	#9
Gasoil4ever "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cameroun Watch: GS Snowflake Posts: 1,534	Congrats dude ! I am 31 too, just got my 16710 a week ago after 15 years waiting for it... thinking it will be the one and only... but keep looking at the other member of the GMT family (116710, Explorer II...or why not a 16710 Pepsi :-D) God i hate (?!?) this forum !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL __________________ 16710 GMT Master II "M" , SD4000, GS Snowflake, Stowa Marine Original.

7 January 2009, 07:17 AM	#10
mck22 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brent Location: St Louis Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 1,516	I really love the Pepsi GMT II I want one of those so bad I cant see striaght!!! Nice looking watches guys __________________ 16610 Submariner GMT Master II 16710 1675

7 January 2009, 09:49 AM	#11
superformance "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Solomon Location: Islas de Filipina Watch: 16=55/65/80s Posts: 110	I just sold my mint 5mil 1675... pls help me make up my mind : buy another 1675 or buy a GMT II ceramic S/S. please share your thoughts

8 January 2009, 06:10 AM	#12
Gasoil4ever "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cameroun Watch: GS Snowflake Posts: 1,534	As soon as i can i'll buy a pre-loved Pepsi 16710 (could be with the 3185 this time) then i'll for sure end up buying a 116710... i REALLY hate this forum ! lol __________________ 16710 GMT Master II "M" , SD4000, GS Snowflake, Stowa Marine Original.

12 January 2009, 03:18 AM	#14
SPORTSFAN "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: NW England Posts: 791	Hi Yannis, To answer your question Yes we slould have both. The GMT II never really spoke to me until I got the GMT IIC,I always felt that it wore a bit light compared to my Sub. After I got the IIC I tried the Pepsi on and that was it. They are so different that they compliment each other perfectly. Regards Mike.

12 January 2009, 03:47 AM	#15
gmt master x Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: franklin Location: nyc Watch: 70 s gmt master. Posts: 677	But Of Course.... 16750 pepsi 16710 pepsi 116710 c and thats just the rolex gmt's Looking forward to see what rolex shows us at the spring show... Cheers

12 January 2009, 06:02 AM	#16
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Mike as i have already told you you have a great collection there mate! I am one down but i will catch up with you some time mate __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

12 January 2009, 06:08 AM	#17
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Franklin you own all three mate? Great watches 16750 is also a beauty on a jubilee!! __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

20 January 2009, 07:13 PM	#18
Andad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 36,798	Yes. __________________ E

21 January 2009, 12:49 AM	#19
buz-lh "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Buz Location: Atlanta Watch: Rolex Tudor Pam Posts: 5,108	I agree that the 116710 is so different from any previous GMT that it is a must have. I'm looking to pull the trigger on one today. So that will give me three; 16750,16710,116710. I hope to add the 1675, 16760 and the 16700 in the future. I'm afraid the 6542 is out of my reach. I have both bezels, Pepsi and black and both bracelets for the 16750 and all three bezels for the 16710 and I can put the super jubilee from my DJ on it, so right now there are 10 different combinations with the two watches. With the 116710 it is one way only, but it is a great piece. __________________ Buz The faster you move, the slower time passes, the longer you live. Peter Diamandis

21 January 2009, 12:55 AM	#20
greenfan "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: George Location: Athens Greece Watch: GMT II 16710 Coke Posts: 1,046	I don't know, maybe they are different, but I'd never buy a GMT IIc, while having the GMT II. The are same watches IMO. I could buy a ceramic one, having sold the GMT II before. On the other hand I could easily buy a second ROLEX especially if it was foe a white face Daytona or a new ceramic Submariner.... __________________ $C:\Documents and Settings\George.HOME\My Documents\My Pictures\Rolex$

1 February 2009, 06:41 AM	#27
DaveInLA "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: California Posts: 336	IMO, GMT II > GMT IIc. __________________ Explorer I 114270 Z-serial Submariner-date 16610 M-serial

1 February 2009, 06:44 AM	#28
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	Honestly, Yannis....I wouldn't want to own both. Just the no lug-hole PEPSI GMT-II 16710 on the Super Jubilee would do me fine, thank you!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

1 February 2009, 06:52 AM	#29
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Hey Dave and JJ thanks for the input guys!! JJ i thought you would go for the 116710 tbh!! __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

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