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mjm800 · 25 July 2011, 02:18 AM

I had to send my R serial Exp II to RSC for service they recommended an overhaul, new crown, and a new dial!!!!

Dial the dial has lovely patina on the lume, it's gorgeous and it's a T<25 dial who would ever want to change that.

Of course, I declined, but I wonder does RSC see it as a defect? Sure working lume would be nice but not at the expense of losing the very thing about the watch that gives it character.

brkanand · 25 July 2011, 02:20 AM

I agree.

Michael M. · 25 July 2011, 02:22 AM

I agree 100%!!!

padi56 · 25 July 2011, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjm800

I had to send my R serial Exp II to RSC for service they recommended an overhaul, new crown, and a new dial!!!!

Dial the dial has lovely patina on the lume, it's gorgeous and it's a T<25 dial who would ever want to change that.

Of course, I declined, but I wonder does RSC see it as a defect? Sure working lume would be nice but not at the expense of losing the very thing about the watch that gives it character.

Rolex are not interested in any vintage patina look ,they just want to replace everything they can at high cost, to make watch look as new its that simple.

HL65 · 25 July 2011, 02:39 AM

Many a mistake made over the years by owners by going along with them...Congrats for not!!

RJK · 25 July 2011, 02:44 AM

What happens to all those "vintage" dials that Rolex replaces?

I wonder if there is a box full of T dials...or if they toss them, I need figure when trash pick-up is and go dumpster diving one night...

landroverking · 25 July 2011, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Rolex are not interested in any vintage patina look ,they just want to replace everything they can at high cost, to make watch look as new its that simple.

Yes yes. That is why RSC wanted $2350 to service my zenith Daytona. In the end it is 921.50 with shipping both ways.

DiamondJack · 25 July 2011, 02:57 AM

Rolex just aim to get the watch operating as it was originally intend to. So does the tritium still glow at night? Answer no..... Therefore as far as Rolex are concerned, it needs replacing

Simple....... It's only us collectors that add value to what is effectively a no longer fully functioning dial

So steer well clear of RSC with your valuable and much loved vintage. But at least they now ask if you want a less valuable watch returned to you

Dripp · 25 July 2011, 03:54 AM

Its just like when you take your car into the dealer. Their objective is to get it back to "new condition" as its good for their bottom line, and they don't want people walking around with cars/watches that don't look/perform as new. too much risk with someone saying, " my watch/car is a piece of junk because it doesn't lume/or whatever." So, while I love patina, the casual observer probably does not and it most likely doesn't reflect well on the brand.

757doc001 · 25 July 2011, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJK

What happens to all those "vintage" dials that Rolex replaces?

I wonder if there is a box full of T dials...or if they toss them, I need figure when trash pick-up is and go dumpster diving one night...

I'll meet you there and bring the flash lights!

ersnyder · 25 July 2011, 04:01 AM

That's why it's so important to write down what you do want done and what you don't!

dddrees · 25 July 2011, 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Rolex are not interested in any vintage patina look ,they just want to replace everything they can at high cost, to make watch look as new its that simple.

X2

They are a business after all.

fc3s2k · 25 July 2011, 07:19 AM

A very wise man once told me (you guys here at the forum know him as JJ) don't ever take a vintage Rolex to RSC.

HL65 · 25 July 2011, 07:34 AM

Two words for me: Bob Ridley

RJK · 25 July 2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 757doc001

I'll meet you there and bring the flash lights!

Roger that, I'll bring the beer

Lanfor · 25 July 2011, 11:29 AM

Yes they hate anything old, even if it is beautiful. They just want them all to look new. A guy i met once had his sub 3 6 9 dial switched for a new dial, which was a shame as it had a beautiful patina. He got to keep the dial though which was nice

HongNinja · 25 July 2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 757doc001

I'll meet you there and bring the flash lights!

I'm in as well.

BLACK OP

jdc · 25 July 2011, 06:18 PM

Blimey bit harsh, Rolex want to revert the watch to a new condition, pretty good service and when compared to other service costs of watches is not bad. Its only WIS's/collectors that want a beat up look - me included

tkc324 · 25 July 2011, 11:58 PM

Aside from servicing cost and making a watch new, Rolex should definitely look at what Panerai is doing with the faux patina dials in their line up. These watches have huge following.

GradyPhilpott · 26 July 2011, 05:07 AM

Ultimately, the decision is up to the owner, if I'm interpreting this correctly.

It's good that Rolex has the capacity to restore a watch to a like-new condition, as not all are interested in their watches becoming collectors' items.

I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, but currently I don't much care what happens to my watches after I'm gone and they will be with me till I'm gone.

le_baroudeur · 26 July 2011, 05:49 AM

In france (paris service center) you can keep the original dial if you want, or ask to keep the watch unpolished. Try to insist, or send it to bob ridley!

Frogman4me · 26 July 2011, 08:48 AM

The best thing to ever happen to Rolex is Patina! Each watch has aged differently and that's part of the beauty. Shame on you Rolex for trying to ruin that!

25 July 2011, 02:18 AM	#1
mjm800 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: USA Posts: 1,950	Does Rolex Hate Patina I had to send my R serial Exp II to RSC for service they recommended an overhaul, new crown, and a new dial!!!! Dial the dial has lovely patina on the lume, it's gorgeous and it's a T<25 dial who would ever want to change that. Of course, I declined, but I wonder does RSC see it as a defect? Sure working lume would be nice but not at the expense of losing the very thing about the watch that gives it character. __________________

25 July 2011, 02:39 AM	#5
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,401	Many a mistake made over the years by owners by going along with them...Congrats for not!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

25 July 2011, 02:44 AM	#6
RJK "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Rob Location: NCR Watch: Out for that tree! Posts: 285	What happens to all those "vintage" dials that Rolex replaces? I wonder if there is a box full of T dials...or if they toss them, I need figure when trash pick-up is and go dumpster diving one night... __________________ "The body will never go where the mind has never been" Rolex SD 126600, Seiko Golden Tuna SBBN 040, PAM 579, JLC Master Compressor Diving Chrono GMT NS in Yellow, DSSD, Sinn U1000S, Doxa T-Graph, Doxa 750 Caribbean, PAM 190 "8-Days", PAM 162,TT DJ (Left to me by Dad)

25 July 2011, 07:19 AM	#13
fc3s2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Barry Location: california Watch: OFFICINE PANERAI Posts: 1,289	A very wise man once told me (you guys here at the forum know him as JJ) don't ever take a vintage Rolex to RSC. __________________

25 July 2011, 07:34 AM	#14
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 63,401	Two words for me: Bob Ridley __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

25 July 2011, 02:20 AM	#2
brkanand 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: DrK Location: India Watch: 4=YMDaytonaGMTHulk Posts: 7,047	I agree.

25 July 2011, 02:22 AM	#3
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	I agree 100%!!!

25 July 2011, 02:57 AM	#8
DiamondJack "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: London Watch: Quite a few Posts: 4,315	Rolex just aim to get the watch operating as it was originally intend to. So does the tritium still glow at night? Answer no..... Therefore as far as Rolex are concerned, it needs replacing Simple....... It's only us collectors that add value to what is effectively a no longer fully functioning dial So steer well clear of RSC with your valuable and much loved vintage. But at least they now ask if you want a less valuable watch returned to you

25 July 2011, 03:54 AM	#9
Dripp "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cincinnati Watch: 16520 Daytona Posts: 129	Its just like when you take your car into the dealer. Their objective is to get it back to "new condition" as its good for their bottom line, and they don't want people walking around with cars/watches that don't look/perform as new. too much risk with someone saying, " my watch/car is a piece of junk because it doesn't lume/or whatever." So, while I love patina, the casual observer probably does not and it most likely doesn't reflect well on the brand.

25 July 2011, 04:01 AM	#11
ersnyder 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Eric Location: Long Beach CA USA Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 4,102	That's why it's so important to write down what you do want done and what you don't!

25 July 2011, 11:29 AM	#16
Lanfor "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Matt Location: London Watch: Submariner-16610LV Posts: 1,798	Yes they hate anything old, even if it is beautiful. They just want them all to look new. A guy i met once had his sub 3 6 9 dial switched for a new dial, which was a shame as it had a beautiful patina. He got to keep the dial though which was nice __________________ Rolex Submariner - 16610LV

25 July 2011, 06:18 PM	#18
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	Blimey bit harsh, Rolex want to revert the watch to a new condition, pretty good service and when compared to other service costs of watches is not bad. Its only WIS's/collectors that want a beat up look - me included

25 July 2011, 11:58 PM	#19
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,717	Aside from servicing cost and making a watch new, Rolex should definitely look at what Panerai is doing with the faux patina dials in their line up. These watches have huge following.

26 July 2011, 05:07 AM	#20
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,347	Ultimately, the decision is up to the owner, if I'm interpreting this correctly. It's good that Rolex has the capacity to restore a watch to a like-new condition, as not all are interested in their watches becoming collectors' items. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it, but currently I don't much care what happens to my watches after I'm gone and they will be with me till I'm gone.

26 July 2011, 05:49 AM	#21
le_baroudeur "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rennes, FRANCE Posts: 802	In france (paris service center) you can keep the original dial if you want, or ask to keep the watch unpolished. Try to insist, or send it to bob ridley! __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Assoc. of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons.

26 July 2011, 08:48 AM	#22
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	The best thing to ever happen to Rolex is Patina! Each watch has aged differently and that's part of the beauty. Shame on you Rolex for trying to ruin that!

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