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No SUBctitute · 14 March 2019, 01:12 PM

I was talking to an AD the other day and he said that Rolex does not insert a new movement into a watch without also changing something else about the watch. Is this true? When Rolex started putting the 3186 into the GMT, did they change anything about the watch? Are there other examples?

Dc1030 · 14 March 2019, 02:53 PM

So reading rumors of new movements in a lot of the SS sport series, basically what you are saying (Or AD) is that they will modify something else? To what extent? Just wondering, because I have heard the text color maybe changing as a throwback so could this be a big enough change or would it be something larger like clasp style etc?

Alpino · 14 March 2019, 05:21 PM

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3186 in the Gmt II and Explorer II have been an exception.

When movment changes, model number always changes also and most of time something else changes too.

When 3000 was replaced by 3130 in Sub/OP/Airking in year 2000, model were added an "M" for "modified". 14060 became 14060M, 14000 became 14000M, 14203 became 14203M ... For Explorer at the same time it became 114270 from 14270.

THC · 14 March 2019, 08:54 PM

It is always a good question, when Alpino answers

Chiefs · 14 March 2019, 09:07 PM

Having some kind of cosmetic difference would make sense, even if very subtle.
When the Sub is updated, I anticipate some minor changes to the case to achieve more streamline lugs to bracelet, much like the Deepsea.

77T · 14 March 2019, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefs

Having some kind of cosmetic difference would make sense, even if very subtle.

The minimum cosmetic change may be just the model designation engraved on the case.

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trelane · 14 March 2019, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs

Having some kind of cosmetic difference would make sense, even if very subtle.
When the Sub is updated, I anticipate some minor changes to the case to achieve more streamline lugs to bracelet, much like the Deepsea.

Maybe they'll put a crown between swiss and made?

Boothroyd · 15 March 2019, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by THC

It is always a good question, when Alpino answers

I always appreciate Alpino's posts. Some of the most informative and useful on TRF.

padi56 · 15 March 2019, 02:59 AM

If they put coloured bracelet screws some would call it a new model.

HogwldFLTR · 15 March 2019, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

If they put coloured bracelet screws some would call it a new model.

Don't forget different dial printing batches!!!! Priceless changes!!!

Slurve30 · 15 March 2019, 08:52 AM

So if you had a watch with a 3185 movement and shipped it in for an overhaul, could you ask for a 3186?

No SUBctitute · 18 March 2019, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpino

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3186 in the Gmt II and Explorer II have been an exception.

When movment changes, model number always changes also and most of time something else changes too.

When 3000 was replaced by 3130 in Sub/OP/Airking in year 2000, model were added an "M" for "modified". 14060 became 14060M, 14000 became 14000M, 14203 became 14203M ... For Explorer at the same time it became 114270 from 14270.

Thanks, Alpino!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

If they put coloured bracelet screws some would call it a new model.

LOLOLOL!!!! Coloured bracelet screws!?!? Sounds like maybe a Brietling.

Rocket_Man · 18 March 2019, 02:42 PM

I'd think when they put the 32XX movement in a watch it will be with a new reference number and perhaps some other changes to make the watch feel 'updated' in some way.

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14 March 2019, 02:53 PM	#2
Dc1030 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Real Name: Drew Location: The Show-Me State Watch: 16570 Posts: 53	So reading rumors of new movements in a lot of the SS sport series, basically what you are saying (Or AD) is that they will modify something else? To what extent? Just wondering, because I have heard the text color maybe changing as a throwback so could this be a big enough change or would it be something larger like clasp style etc?

14 March 2019, 05:21 PM	#3
Alpino "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Paris Posts: 2,538	. 3186 in the Gmt II and Explorer II have been an exception. When movment changes, model number always changes also and most of time something else changes too. When 3000 was replaced by 3130 in Sub/OP/Airking in year 2000, model were added an "M" for "modified". 14060 became 14060M, 14000 became 14000M, 14203 became 14203M ... For Explorer at the same time it became 114270 from 14270.

14 March 2019, 08:54 PM	#4
THC 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Tom Location: Mandeville La Watch: 16610M Posts: 10,476	It is always a good question, when Alpino answers

14 March 2019, 09:07 PM	#5
Chiefs "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: UK Watch: 16570 Posts: 120	Having some kind of cosmetic difference would make sense, even if very subtle. When the Sub is updated, I anticipate some minor changes to the case to achieve more streamline lugs to bracelet, much like the Deepsea.

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Slurve30 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: Chicago Watch: 114270 Posts: 91	So if you had a watch with a 3185 movement and shipped it in for an overhaul, could you ask for a 3186?

18 March 2019, 02:42 PM	#13
Rocket_Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,328	I'd think when they put the 32XX movement in a watch it will be with a new reference number and perhaps some other changes to make the watch feel 'updated' in some way.

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