Rolex 1019 need help please!

[mohamedalimam]

Hello everyone,

This is my very first post the rolex forum and I need your help.

I always liked a Milgauss, nowadays I only buy vintage and found this 1019, there is many stuff that I am not sure of:

1- Would you consider this dial as aged patina or damaged (I see it as having a wood effect patina).
2- The lume on some of the markers are gone.
3- The case back, it looks not original to the watch, and seller did not put any pics for the additional golden cover that comes inside Milgausses (I am not sure what its called)
4- reference is not visible between lugs.
5- movement should be 1580, however the number "8" in the pic looks somehow not right!, do you think it was a 1530 bridge and changed to 1580? and maybe put on a usual 1570?

Now considering the above, I am not too fussy about the look as long all is original, thats why I could see some beauty in the dial.

and would you think spending $7-9k on this is a good idea?

Will appreciate any help.

many thanks,
Mohamed

[swatty]

Looks like water damaged dial to me .

[mui.richard]

No expert here but I wouldn't touch that dial with a 10-ft pole...unless you can have someone experienced with dial restoration check that out before purchase my answer would be no.



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[labo]

The dial is original from a first series of Milgauss 1019 (around 1968), and it's in very very poor condition.

The case (inside the lugs) is not good visible to let you if it's original Rolex Case or not and it has an Steel cancer and if it's original is not for collecting, surely.

The movement has not the original plateaux 1580 on it because it must have the serial number of movement on it that begin with Mxxxxxx.

Also the Automatic Rotor seems to be original 1580 like it signed on it, but the scans are poor to tell if it's genuine Rolex.

The back is Fake.