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Old 26 June 2020, 12:33 PM   #31
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Thanks all, I'm very pleased with it.

1 odd thing I noticed... the rotor is a good bit louder than any previous watches I have owned when it spins. Possibly due to the carbotech material? I saw a review online that mentioned it and can confirm it is slightly louder. Not an issue, just an observation.
My 616 is very loud. Sounds like a baby rattle. Does it also rattle when when you tap on the case? The wobble swoosh is different sound.

That lume is awesome.
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Old 26 June 2020, 03:49 PM   #32
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Congrats, how do you find the thickness of the watch and balance of the watch overall on your wrist?
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Old 27 June 2020, 01:39 AM   #33
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My 616 is very loud. Sounds like a baby rattle. Does it also rattle when when you tap on the case? The wobble swoosh is different sound.

That lume is awesome.
The ceramic rotor bearings is more audible because of the lightweight material used on the case but there shouldn't be any rotor wobble you can feel.
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Old 27 June 2020, 01:47 AM   #34
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Congrats, how do you find the thickness of the watch and balance of the watch overall on your wrist?
Very easy to wear, I'm a big fan. I would guess thickness at around 11-12mm and crystal is almost flat not domed like some panerai
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Old 27 June 2020, 01:47 AM   #35
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My 616 is very loud. Sounds like a baby rattle. Does it also rattle when when you tap on the case? The wobble swoosh is different sound.

That lume is awesome.
No rattle
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Old 27 June 2020, 01:48 AM   #36
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The ceramic rotor bearings is more audible because of the lightweight material used on the case but there shouldn't be any rotor wobble you can feel.
Can't feel anything odd, just noticeably more audible when self winding
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Old 27 June 2020, 11:09 AM   #37
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The ceramic rotor bearings is more audible because of the lightweight material used on the case but there shouldn't be any rotor wobble you can feel.
Ah, yes that makes sense. I have yet to hear a wobble on this one. That swoosh. But the ceramic bearings are noisy and assumed the sound is escaping more so due on the carbo vs steel. It doesn’t bother me though. I love this watch too much to care. What is odd though is if I tap on the side of the case, as if tapping on a tabletop, I can hear the bearing rattle a bit. Im not sure if that’s completely normal or not and have considered sending it in for service. She runs about +5 minutes over the course of two to three weeks. On the wrist 90% of the time.
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Old 27 June 2020, 11:09 AM   #38
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No rattle
Thanks for confirming that. I wonder if my PAM is sick.
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Old 27 June 2020, 05:27 PM   #39
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Thanks for confirming that. I wonder if my PAM is sick.
I have two in-house autos. 389 - titanium/iron core, and 654 - steel. They both have some noise, esp the 654, which did concern me at first. Not the silence of a Rolex or Omega. However a JLC makes similar noise and having handled similar models in shops this is normal.

Also, you've got an 8 year warranty, so don't stress and return the watch. Wear it, live with it, love it and at your own convenience if/when in a dealer compare to similar models.

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Old 27 June 2020, 05:41 PM   #40
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PS here are my blue highlight straps for my 670 and 690. Mine are from Alfio of Bakeka straps in Italy, but I'm sure any bespoke strap maker can sort out the right look.
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Old 27 June 2020, 10:04 PM   #41
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Yeah, ceramic bearing make noise... yet have a better lifespan.

You'll learn to love it.... kinda like Rolex bracelet squeak.
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Old 28 June 2020, 02:00 AM   #42
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Yeah, ceramic bearing make noise... yet have a better lifespan.



You'll learn to love it.... kinda like Rolex bracelet squeak.
I love that squeak.

Is +5 minutes normal for 2-3 weeks?? I would really hope not for that kind of money. That kind of time keeping would dissuade me completely. Do Submersible perform with that same "accuracy"?

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Old 28 June 2020, 02:04 AM   #43
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Ah, yes that makes sense. I have yet to hear a wobble on this one. That swoosh. But the ceramic bearings are noisy and assumed the sound is escaping more so due on the carbo vs steel. It doesn’t bother me though. I love this watch too much to care. What is odd though is if I tap on the side of the case, as if tapping on a tabletop, I can hear the bearing rattle a bit. Im not sure if that’s completely normal or not and have considered sending it in for service. She runs about +5 minutes over the course of two to three weeks. On the wrist 90% of the time.
Your watch gains +5 minutes over 2 to 3 weeks? Is that acceptable?

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Old 28 June 2020, 02:30 AM   #44
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The PAM01033 is +4 sec/day. So 5 min in two weeks... maybe it needs demag'ing.
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Your watch gains +5 minutes over 2 to 3 weeks? Is that acceptable?

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+14 seconds a day is not even close to what that movement can do. Can’t be right.
+1 to+3 a day is where most P9010 movements are doing. I recommend you wind full (60 turns),reset, and check with a atomic clock after 24 hours.


I would put the in-house p9010 Panerai movement against any in-house movement.
The amplitude always stays high thanks to it’s dual barrel mainsprings and yields a 80+ hour power reserve from my testing.



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Old 28 June 2020, 02:34 AM   #46
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+14 seconds a day is not even close to what that movement can do. Can’t be right.

+1 to+3 a day is where most P9010 movements are doing. I recommend you wind full (60 turns),reset, and check with a atomic clock after 24 hours.
I'm glad I said something haha.

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Old 28 June 2020, 02:56 AM   #47
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I have two in-house autos. 389 - titanium/iron core, and 654 - steel. They both have some noise, esp the 654, which did concern me at first. Not the silence of a Rolex or Omega. However a JLC makes similar noise and having handled similar models in shops this is normal.

Also, you've got an 8 year warranty, so don't stress and return the watch. Wear it, live with it, love it and at your own convenience if/when in a dealer compare to similar models.

Enjoy.
Thanks that does make me feel better. Really appreciate it.
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+14 seconds a day is not even close to what that movement can do. Can’t be right.
+1 to+3 a day is where most P9010 movements are doing. I recommend you wind full (60 turns),reset, and check with a atomic clock after 24 hours.


I would put the in-house p9010 Panerai movement against any in-house movement.
The amplitude always stays high thanks to it’s dual barrel mainsprings and yields a 80+ hour power reserve from my testing.



I’ll admit I didn’t fully wind the watch when I got it and have been wearing it around the house. I’ve been working from home since March because of this situation we’re in so I’m not moving around a lot as one would commuting to work and walking around throughout the day. Anyway just wound her up and reset and will keep an eye on it. I don’t usually get too obsessive about the accuracy as I do know variables play a role in that and I absolutely love this watch. It’s without a doubt the best watch I’ve owned to date. The case is just incredible and a work of art. It’s almost indestructible and I feel safe wearing it around the clock. It also feels absolutely amazing on the wrist. It’s not light or feels cheap. It’s solid and robust and a huge win on Panerai’s part. I just want to make sure she’s okay. Anyway I’ll report in for sure.
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I’ll admit I didn’t fully wind the watch when I got it and have been wearing it around the house. I’ve been working from home since March because of this situation we’re in so I’m not moving around a lot as one would commuting to work and walking around throughout the day. Anyway just wound her up and reset and will keep an eye on it. I don’t usually get too obsessive about the accuracy as I do know variables play a role in that and I absolutely love this watch. It’s without a doubt the best watch I’ve owned to date. The case is just incredible and a work of art. It’s almost indestructible and I feel safe wearing it around the clock. It also feels absolutely amazing on the wrist. It’s not light or feels cheap. It’s solid and robust and a huge win on Panerai’s part. I just want to make sure she’s okay. Anyway I’ll report in for sure.
Give it a shot. The Carbotech wears so different than any other watch material including ceramic and titanium. I find it superior in comfort and build material in every way. It is it’s own wrist presence.
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Old 28 June 2020, 04:11 AM   #50
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Give it a shot. The Carbotech wears so different than any other watch material including ceramic and titanium. I find it superior in comfort and build material in every way. It is it’s own wrist presence.


Couldn’t agree more. I’ll never part from this watch. Not only because of all the attributes I mentioned earlier, but how much fun it is and just having all the strap options, and how the look and feel can be shape-shifted every single day. That alone is worth the ownership experience. Another observation is those incredible carbon layers in the case. It also reminds me of my dad’s old Chris Craft boats and that mahogany wood workmanship throughout the decking. I literally can’t stop looking at it!

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Old 28 June 2020, 04:35 AM   #52
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Couldn’t agree more. I’ll never part from this watch. Not only because of all the attributes I mentioned earlier, but how much fun it is and just having all the strap options, and how the look and feel can be shape-shifted every single day. That alone is worth the ownership experience. Another observation is those incredible carbon layers in the case. It also reminds me of my dad’s old Chris Craft boats and that mahogany wood workmanship throughout the decking. I literally can’t stop looking at it!

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Couldn’t agree more. I’ll never part from this watch. Not only because of all the attributes I mentioned earlier, but how much fun it is and just having all the strap options, and how the look and feel can be shape-shifted every single day. That alone is worth the ownership experience. Another observation is those incredible carbon layers in the case. It also reminds me of my dad’s old Chris Craft boats and that mahogany wood workmanship throughout the decking. I literally can’t stop looking at it!

That is a good observation with the layers of CF. It gives a dimensional effect you dot get with any other material. The optics are almost 3d like. There just isn't many of these in the wild and I dont think there will ever be. That is very appealing in its own way with a "X" factor. Feels more bespoke and worth the cost of admission.
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Old 28 June 2020, 12:19 PM   #55
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That is a good observation with the layers of CF. It gives a dimensional effect you dot get with any other material. The optics are almost 3d like. There just isn't many of these in the wild and I dont think there will ever be. That is very appealing in its own way with a "X" factor. Feels more bespoke and worth the cost of admission.
Absolutely 100%. There are few and I get so many compliments on the watch. It’s so bespoke and unique. I just love it.
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Old 28 June 2020, 01:39 PM   #56
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curious on the carbotechs - these look to use springbars rather than screws. when you change out the straps, do you tape the case at all to avoid scratches? or the finish is robust enough that this is a complete non-issue?
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curious on the carbotechs - these look to use springbars rather than screws. when you change out the straps, do you tape the case at all to avoid scratches? or the finish is robust enough that this is a complete non-issue?
i bought the Bergeon 7767-f to change strap which i think make putting back the springbar into the lugs easier. i've changed straps on my 1616 several times and i have not scratched anything. though i have practiced several times changing the spring bars on a buckle beforehand.
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1661 finally arrived!

Yesterday I was up early and a little clumsy. I slammed my Carbotech 616 against the door rail and when I saw the wood and paint stuck on the bezel and corner of the watch I was convinced there would be serious damage. The house is also 100-years old and mostly built of redwood. After I cleaned it off. Zero. Nothing. Unreal!!






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