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18 June 2020, 04:24 PM | #31 |
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Wow what a dilemma . . . waiting to see the outcome.
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18 June 2020, 06:32 PM | #32 |
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I too have owned a few "NOS" watches with all factory stickers intact from that era (and specifically 16710s) and every one of them, along with every other one I've seen/handled, has had the case reference number on the green sticker. The style/font has changed over the years, but it's always been there. That being said: For some years, the reference number on the green hologram was very easily rubbed off, and would render the hologram "numberless" in very short order. |
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However, your example simply shows a worn factory sticker with the reference number rubbed off (I've owned an `04 and `07 LV and both had the reference number on the stickers). And again, there were some years where the number rubbed off very easily. Here's an example of a "like new" watch, with faint remnants of the reference number still visible on the hologram sticker: |
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Here is the original listing on C24 showing the dealer's logo that has been photo-shopped out of the pics you posted: https://www.chrono24.com/rolex/gmt-m...id14650383.htm |
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23 July 2020, 11:00 PM | #38 |
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My 2007 LV did not have a reference number on the green sticker.
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I used to own a 16613LB bought used but most probably unworn with the sticker fully intact and without the reference on it.
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24 July 2020, 08:30 AM | #42 | |
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I've yet to see one truly "unworn" and/or "NOS" without the reference number on the sticker. Again, the numbers were very easily rubbed off on certain years/ranges. The numbers on the last holograms were much more "permanent" than the preceding ones. |
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It's borderline funny there is so much talk about the stickers! This is Rolex people. They do so many things differently on the same watch over its production life... Of course there have been hologram stickers with and without the model number, with and without protective stickers with red line (or without the line) on top.
The watch is clearly NOS and unworn. Just look at the lugs from the backside. Square and sharp. Now, the coverup of the pictures is another story (i.e. whether it's a scam or not). But the watch is new. |
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Yes, but "bought used" and "mostly unworn" is not what I would call irrefutable evidence on the matter. See post #34...again.
The watch in that pic could be considered "mostly unworn" as well, and the reference number on the sticker is almost completely gone (but still faintly visible). |
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Maybe you could provide more detail, such as, whether the model number was on the hologram sticker when you purchased the watch, or did the model number rub off the hologram sticker in time from wearing the watch. Thanks.
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Though, it is a minor pet-peeve of mine when I see watches listed as "unworn" and/or "NOS" (with the accompanying price premium) when they clearly are not. In the OP's case here however, I think it's safe to say it's as close to "unworn" as one could reasonably expect. |
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It’s been 13 years, but I don’t recall the numbers having ever been on the hologram of my z serial LV. It’s possible I’m misremembering.
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This. It’s a nice example but not NOS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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26 July 2020, 06:21 AM | #53 |
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I talked with IlikeSubs today and he said he was the original purchaser of his 16610LV.
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Here are a few data points for that specific reference & production date range (Z-serial 16610LV). All are listed as "NOS" and all have the reference number on the hologram: rolex-16610lv-submariner-50th-anniversary-green-z-serial-unworn-full-set-nos rolex-submariner-green-bezel-model-16610lv-50th-anniversary-sub-lv-z rolex-submariner-16610lv-50th-anniversary-green-sub-nos rolex-submariner-16610-nos-sub-date-z-serial-sealed-rare-find-nib Rolex_SS_Green_Submariner_16610LV_new_old_stock FS NOS Rolex Kermit Green Sub 16610LV "Z" series Fs: Rolex submariner 16610lv nos 'z' |
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