TempoKing is Horrible, Beware!

[suligeo]

Is the bracelet from buyer genuine?


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by erhein

How about if seller refunds $412.50 to buyer. Buyer then advertises the bracelet for sale. Even in the condition it's in, it must be worth at least a couple/few hundred dollars. Seller and buyer then split the sale price. Everybody walks away, probably down a couple of hundred dollars, and anyone who reads this thread is free to draw his/her own conclusions.

Uh, because seller denies the truth of buyers allegations. So why would he do that?


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by 42itus

Jeff does not have it in him to buy a bracelet and claim it’s different and try to return it.


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Wait, I thought didn’t have a dog in the fight ...


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by swish77

Old adage that is important to remember in business ... the client/customer is always right. In this case, that's Jeff.

Even if TempoKing is 100 precent convinced he's done nothing wrong here, he should take the bracelet back and issue a full refund. That's what good sellers do, even if they think the buyer is unreasonable or super picky or just insane.

I'm not necessarily taking sides, but that seems like the prudent thing to do here, regardless of the facts, especially because of the relatively small amount of money involved.

Just my 2 cents.

Totally agree — if you make a making a living doing this, better to eat the $825 than have your name drug through by a pastor.


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[BaliBryan]

What could be the op’s motive here? Order a bracelet all the way from Greece swap out good links with beaten up ones? Then send it back for a refund? Then post all of this? Doesn’t make sense.

[shaunylw]

Hmmm. This is two different bracelets IMO. If the seller sold multiple of this bracelet, then a mix up would make sense. But apparently that is not the case.

The photos from the seller are horrendous and essentially what we see when someone is trying to hide something. But, the comparison between the original photos and the buyers photos are so drastic, there is no way someone could slide that by a buyer. The photos from the seller are consistent with his other photos. Which are way overexposed and hard to make out details.

It would be very strange for a buyer to buy a mint bracelet, try to swap it for a hammered bracelet and try to post pictures and return it against a seller. I just don’t know what that possibly accomplishes. The buyer has risk with this thread as well, now when he sells a future watch people will remember this thread. I don’t see it happening.

I don’t love the sellers response in this thread and I’m sure i won’t be the only one that steers clear. I’m 100% positive a different reaction would have come out of the various other sellers i have worked with here. First, would have been absolute shock at how something like this could happen. I’m so sorry, here are the original pics! I haven’t sold another bracelet in months...etc.

My guess- bracelet was shipped from someone else using Tempokings label. Tempoking bought it from someone he has used before, trusted condition and shipped it. Likely with the best of intentions and the mixup was made by that person. That person sent tempoking these pics and they mixed up bracelets when they shipped it out. Tempoking added his standard over saturated filter to the pics, and posted it for sale.


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[BaliBryan]

Originally Posted by shaunylw

Hmmm. This is two different bracelets IMO. If the seller sold multiple of this bracelet, then a mix up would make sense. But apparently that is not the case.

The photos from the seller are horrendous and essentially what we see when someone is trying to hide something. But, the comparison between the original photos and the buyers photos are so drastic, there is no way someone could slide that by a buyer. The photos from the seller are consistent with his other photos. Which are way overexposed and hard to make out details.

It would be very strange for a buyer to buy a mint bracelet, try to swap it for a hammered bracelet and try to post pictures and return it against a seller. I just don’t know what that possibly accomplishes. The buyer has risk with this thread as well, now when he sells a future watch people will remember this thread. I don’t see it happening.

I don’t love the sellers response in this thread and I’m sure i won’t be the only one that steers clear. I’m 100% positive a different reaction would have come out of the various other sellers i have worked with here. First, would have been absolute shock at how something like this could happen. I’m so sorry, here are the original pics! I haven’t sold another bracelet in months...etc.

My guess- bracelet was shipped from someone else using Tempokings label. Tempoking bought it from someone he has used before, trusted condition and shipped it. Likely with the best of intentions and the mixup was made by that person. That person sent tempoking these pics and they mixed up bracelets when they shipped it out. Tempoking added his standard over saturated filter to the pics, and posted it for sale.


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That’s possible but the op suspects that it’s the same clasp advertised in the photos because of the condition and clasp code.

[Nikrnic]

I see you've been on TRF for seven years. I don't know you Jeff or TempoKing however I have no reason to disbelieve anything your saying. That being said it sounds like you got screwed. If he (TempoKing) made a mistake somehow he certainly would have came clean with you by now. Thats a shame as he seems to have made some good deals with others.

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[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by BaliBryan

That’s possible but the op suspects that it’s the same clasp advertised in the photos because of the condition and clasp code.

Exactly

[42itus]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Wait, I thought didn’t have a dog in the fight ...


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Lol. I don’t. But I’m just sharing my experience with the buyer. I didn’t bury the seller. But I can see how it looks like I’m rooting for the buyer. I’m not.


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[wb55]

It looks pretty poor for the seller to say the matter is closed for him and then not give a f. If I was him and my name was being dragged through the mud for something I didn't do I wouldn't just be like meh, the matter is closed for me, bye. I'd fight for my name.

[tike71]

Originally Posted by whatsthetime?

Maybe someone in customs swapped it out?

This could be very plausible and makes more sense than the buyer or seller pulling a fast one. Customs agent opens and inspects package, coincidentally has a watch that uses the same bracelet, and swaps the new for the old. It explains why there's a missing link, because the one the customs agent had is sized to his wrist.

PS it's quite alarming for the seller to dismiss this allegation so quickly and not gaf about the things being said after.

[Bearxj86]

Originally Posted by Jfullm42

That is exactly why I am so confused. That and also why would he become so combative when all I did was take pictures, send them, and ask for my money back because the bracelet clearly didn’t arrive in the same condition as advertised.

Also why would I waste my time posting this thread? I do a hundred + deals a year all over forums, Facebook and IG, $825 in the grand scheme of things isn’t going to change my life, but it is still $825. I’m just as confused as you are and I don’t want anyone else to have this happen to them

I've been following Jeff on Instagram for a while now and he is not the sort to lie to get a refund on a bracelet.

Jeff, the advertisement seemed to have a red sticker on the clasp - was there one when you received it?

TempoKing, a longer detailed response is warranted here. Understandably you have your side - a full explanation/description to assure the community of your integrity and what happened here would be appreciated. Short brief terse responses are not normal in situations like this. Did you pack the bracelet yourself or did someone do that for you. Do you have photos of the bracelet before being sent and being packed? Is the packaging that Jeff received the same as when you sent it? Was the screw sticking out? All of these don't add up.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by tike71

This could be very plausible and makes more sense than the buyer or seller pulling a fast one. Customs agent opens and inspects package, coincidentally has a watch that uses the same bracelet, and swaps the new for the old. It explains why there's a missing link, because the one the customs agent had is sized to his wrist.

PS it's quite alarming for the seller to dismiss this allegation so quickly and not gaf about the things being said after.

Occam would disagree with this scenario.

I would now expect T, as the seller, to step up and shed more light on the history of this transaction?

[whatsthetime?]

Originally Posted by tike71

This could be very plausible and makes more sense than the buyer or seller pulling a fast one. Customs agent opens and inspects package, coincidentally has a watch that uses the same bracelet, and swaps the new for the old. It explains why there's a missing link, because the one the customs agent had is sized to his wrist.

PS it's quite alarming for the seller to dismiss this allegation so quickly and not gaf about the things being said after.

After reading about both, the buyer and sellers reputations, this is the first thought that came to mind, especially because as you mentioned "the missing link".

[subtona]

This is a disappointing read. Hope it gets resolved.

[Andad]

It looks as if the correct decision has now been made regarding Tempoking.

The ball is in now his court to sort out this situation with Jeff.

[Harry-57]

The seller has handled this badly. The behaviour of the seller (or a scammer who was impersonating them, however difficult to believe that might be) guarantees that their reputation is now around the bend. A pity for all parties.

This isn't the first thread about a seller with a stellar reputation committing suicide in public.

[Jocke]

It feels a bit like Tempoking put the lid on if it is as he says, then he should have defended himself in public, I think. If nothing else, he should
have contacted the buyer via PM and tried to come up with a solution. The Internet can ruin a long-standing good reputation in 10 minutes.

[Aquaholic_user]

Tempoking has been kicked from the court for good. I hope there would be resolution in sight for you both.

[Jocke]

I see now Tempoking is banned and I guess it says it all.

[swatty]

Originally Posted by Jocke

I see now Tempoking is banned and I guess it says it all.

Things happen , many years ago I had good dealings with Steve Mu...., remember him.

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by swatty

Things happen , many years ago I had good dealings with Steve Mu...., remember him.

You mean the guy who shot himself in the foot, literally? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[swatty]

Originally Posted by Jocke

You mean the guy who shot himself in the foot, literally? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Yep , now in jail I believe

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by swatty

Yep , now in jail I believe

No, dead. A sad demise.
dP

[swatty]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

No, dead. A sad demise.
dP

Sorry to hear that

When he started selling watches I bought a great Tudor sub from 1964 off home , was perfect

[VonSlingshot]

Originally Posted by Aquaholic_user

Tempoking has been kicked from the court for good.

Good.

The admins here need to keep this vigilance up.
If one is so cavalier to toss their rep over an $850 item...... well, let’s not even think of the possibilities above that pricepoint.

Thank you admins.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Andad

Occam would disagree with this scenario.

I would now expect T, as the seller, to step up and shed more light on the history of this transaction?

Who us occam


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Andad

It looks as if the correct decision has now been made regarding Tempoking.

The ball is in now his court to sort out this situation with Jeff.

What decision was made re seller


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[CorradoBrit]

Makes me think a 3rd party was involved here (and not a wayward customs agent. Has anyone actually heard of that happening?). Thats the only logical explanation for all of this.