Red Submariner 1680 - what do you think?

[platinum574]

Have been waiting for this watch for a long time---

What does everyone think?

[saskmh]

There are a few things that I would question but I am no 1680 expert. Maybe I'm just the cautious type. I'll let the experts chime in.

[Tom1675]

Here is a good article from Philipp. Its a must read for this reference:

http://rolexpassionreport.com/174/ev...iner-ref-1680/

[andresoler1]

The 1680 Red Submariner has always been one of my personal favorites. Every piece has a history which has always fascinated me as a collector. Congratulations on your acquisition. Here’s a photo of mine which was passed on from my father.


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[Kenrocks]

Mine says hi :)


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[andresoler1]

Originally Posted by Kenrocks

Mine says hi :)


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Very very nice..


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[platinum574]

Originally Posted by saskmh

There are a few things that I would question but I am no 1680 expert. Maybe I'm just the cautious type. I'll let the experts chime in.

What would you question on this watch? I purchased it from an AD.. Thanks!!

[saskmh]

Something about that bezel and insert doesn't look right to me. The markings look too small and the flutes on the edge of the bezel look wrong in my opinion. But nobody else has said anything about it so maybe it's just me eyes. Is this the one that had the missing bezel from your other thread?

[platinum574]

Originally Posted by saskmh

Something about that bezel and insert doesn't look right to me. The markings look too small and the flutes on the edge of the bezel look wrong in my opinion. But nobody else has said anything about it so maybe it's just me eyes. Is this the one that had the missing bezel from your other thread?

Yes, this is the same watch.. Anyone else question this bezel??

[platinum574]

I sourced the bezel myself, I hope I purchased the correct one.. At least the guy said it was correct.. O joy

[schaumburgla]

Originally Posted by platinum574

What would you question on this watch? I purchased it from an AD.. Thanks!!

The bezel insert is genuine but a later replacement from the 80's, not a huge deal but it is a major factor in terms of value. It's a 200 insert as opposed to a 2000.00 + period correct insert.

JS

[motoikkyu]

Awesome chihuahua avatar, platinum574! Love the patina on the dial and hands. You'll find the right bezel, if you want correct. For now, enjoy that beautiful watch!

[Yzord]

Indeed, the bezel is nor original imo. The 10 minute points are not "fat"

[platinum574]

Thanks everyone! I should have known better.. I guess that is what I get for taking the bezel on myself.

[RayInNYC]

I own a 1680, non-red. I love this watch and favor it over my TT GMT Master II and Platty Yacht Master. It's just classic.

[enginerd]

When I purchased a 1680 a few years ago, I took an original-insert risk (bezel was still original). The seller had just had it serviced and the jewelry store receipt indicated "insert and crown replaced due to age", "black leather strap added", and "crystal replaced" on the receipt. I asked the seller if he had the original parts. He was clearly not a watch guy (but had bought the watch new in 1979) and was brutally honest with me. He didn't even know what an "insert" was and said he had whatever they took off the watch and would include with the sale.

I pleaded for photos, but he couldn't even figure out how to email those. The price was too attractive and I told myself I'd source the insert and hope for the best on the bracelet.

Low and behold, about a week later, a tiny $6 uninsured box showed up in my mailbox. It had EVERYTHING included. Not a Red Sub, but I stole that watch. I'm kicking myself to this day for flipping it, even though I nearly doubled my initial investment. I've asked the seller to sell it back to me. He had declined (but gave me 1st go should he ever change his mind).

1st photo is from his ad, 2nd is what I got. Sometimes you just get lucky.

[Wing Zero]

Originally Posted by andresoler1

The 1680 Red Submariner has always been one of my personal favorites. Every piece has a history which has always fascinated me as a collector. Congratulations on your acquisition. Here’s a photo of mine which was passed on from my father.


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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I don't think your 1680 is genuine.


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[sfc rick]

Originally Posted by Wing Zero

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I don't think your 1680 is genuine.


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I didn't know Rolex made Red Sub service dials showing open 6's and Submariner in "red". Or that funny looking squeezed "40"?

But I'd like to say I don't enough and only own a 40 year old 1680 Sub in White.

[andresoler1]

Originally Posted by sfc rick

I didn't know Rolex made Red Sub service dials showing open 6's and Submariner in "red". Or that funny looking squeezed "40"?



But I'd like to say I don't enough and only own a 40 year old 1680 Sub in White.

I’ve been coordinating with @Wing Zero about this and you guys are right and I apologize to everyone reading this post. It was an honest mistake. This was a gift to my father which he past on to me last Christmas. I never bothered to have it checked nor serviced as it runs great and feels even more solid than it looks. I in good conscience can’t bare confront my 75 year old man about its legitimacy and authenticity. It’s heart braking as I was merely posing something of pride which I thought had been past on to me. Again, my sincere apologies if I offended anyone with my post.


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[Wing Zero]

Hey no need to apologize. Happens to the best of us.

In regards to the OP's bezel, its a service bezel with a mid font 1980s insert.




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[swish77]

Originally Posted by schaumburgla

The bezel insert is genuine but a later replacement from the 80's, not a huge deal but it is a major factor in terms of value. It's a 200 insert as opposed to a 2000.00 + period correct insert.

JS

I'd love to buy a mid-font '80s insert for $200, but I think more like $400-$500. The thin-font service inserts are the cheaper ones, from what I've seen anyway.

[schaumburgla]

Originally Posted by swish77

I'd love to buy a mid-font '80s insert for $200, but I think more like $400-$500. The thin-font service inserts are the cheaper ones, from what I've seen anyway.

Ive purchased a couple of this insert in the past yr both under 225.00. Private seller & eBay.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by schaumburgla

Ive purchased a couple of this insert in the past yr both under 225.00. Private seller & eBay.

Then you got great deals. The ones I've seen, especially on VRF, are much more. Of course, having the pearls or not makes a big difference too.