***MY FIRST ROLEX*** 5513 Unpolished '79

[athom]

people congratulating him for the watch in the last posts are the most clever

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by swish77

OP's watch has a serif dial, as noted by shift7. The middle stroke in the "E" in Rolex is the clue, in addition to the serif peeking out from the corners of some of the lume plots. Would be unusual to see that style of dial in a Sub well into the 5 mil. serials.

I have a 5513 with a serif dial which is from 1978. 5.... serial and have seen plenty for sale from that period. Many with B+P.

[Redmy]

Originally Posted by Paulie 50

I have a 5513 with a serif dial which is from 1978. 5.... serial and have seen plenty for sale from that period. Many with B+P.

You said it yourself... “serif dial”, it’s supposed to be maxi


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[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by Redmy

You said it yourself... “serif dial”, it’s supposed to be maxi


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Mine is a one owner watch hasn't been touched.

[Redmy]

Show us some pics


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[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by Redmy

Show us some pics


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I'm just a spectator, I don't want to play; sorry.

[Redmy]

Originally Posted by Paulie 50

I'm just a spectator, I don't want to play; sorry.

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[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Redmy

Show us some pics

Pictures won't prove anything anyway, we already have photos of a watch with this combination in this thread. Either you believe that there can be a legit serif dial with 5M serial, or you don't. It's not like we're just beginning to learn about these dials. There's a ton of data out there, so one photo won't add much at this point.

[Redmy]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Pictures won't prove anything anyway, we already have photos of a watch with this combination in this thread. Either you believe that there can be a legit serif dial with 5M serial, or you don't. It's not like we're just beginning to learn about these dials. There's a ton of data out there, so one photo won't add much at this point.

Guy said he has one that is untouched, I call BS


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by kalidamien

Finally bought my birth year '79 5513, let me know what you think :) Never been service, original parts, Full Set..!!!https://filesharing24.com/d/E5b

Sorry I can't upload the full HD quality photos but feel free to check out my youtube video I uploaded

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3nvwsl2PkI

Who’s the seller?

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by WACHMIK

It is such a beauty

Good point.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by kalidamien

I can see now, thanks for sharing. I will go back and tell him, I doubt he would refund tho

Who is the seller

[Scaramanga74]

I guess the seller is NICHOLAS HACKO - FINE WATCHES

This one!
http://clockmaker.com.au/w/k3483.html

[interestedwatcher]

Originally Posted by Scaramanga74

I guess the seller is NICHOLAS HACKO - FINE WATCHES

This one!
http://clockmaker.com.au/w/k3483.html

you would make a very good detective. Nice work.

[Claven2]

Nice... and Hacko goes onto the blacklist.

[Dan S]

I hope the OP updates the thread to let us know how the seller responds. The seller refers to himself as a "master watchmaker" and manufactures his own brand of watches in Australia. So it will be interesting to see if he stands behind his sales. Strangely, I could not find the Terms and Conditions on his site, so I don't know the return policy.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by Scaramanga74

I guess the seller is NICHOLAS HACKO - FINE WATCHES

This one!
http://clockmaker.com.au/w/k3483.html

Good find? Why In the world would OP not identify the seller??

[swish77]

Originally Posted by Paulie 50

I have a 5513 with a serif dial which is from 1978. 5.... serial and have seen plenty for sale from that period. Many with B+P.

Just to clarify .... You've seen plenty of serif-dial 5513 Subs in the 5-million serials? That would be unusual. Serif dials are generally accepted until about 4 million, and non-serifs until about 5 million.

Of course, there's nothing absolutely in stone, and these are lists compiled by collectors, not Rolex itself. So, could there be a 4.1 million, or maybe even a 4.2 million Sub 5513 that originally came with a serif dial? Sure, maybe. But the OP's watch is way later, a 5.68 million. The consensus is that something is off.

[shiftf7]

wow! it was listed at 32k AU dollar! about 23K US$! very steep price! even for an original Maxi MK1, Get your money back! this is a terrible deal!

[eton97]

Originally Posted by shiftf7

wow! it was listed at 32k AU dollar! about 23K US$! very steep price! even for an original Maxi MK1, Get your money back! this is a terrible deal!

I wouldn’t say $23k for a good quality 5513 maxi mk1 was ‘very steep’...

Anyway sadly it looks like the OP has disappeared

[Scaramanga74]

Originally Posted by interestedwatcher

you would make a very good detective. Nice work.

Nah. Just googled a piece of the sellers description provided by OP somewhere in the middle of the thread

[jedly1]

Originally Posted by swish77

Just to clarify .... You've seen plenty of serif-dial 5513 Subs in the 5-million serials? That would be unusual. Serif dials are generally accepted until about 4 million, and non-serifs until about 5 million.

Of course, there's nothing absolutely in stone, and these are lists compiled by collectors, not Rolex itself. So, could there be a 4.1 million, or maybe even a 4.2 million Sub 5513 that originally came with a serif dial? Sure, maybe. But the OP's watch is way later, a 5.68 million. The consensus is that something is off.

With the greatest of respect , the consensus is from a load of forumers who’ve read a guide on line and think that gives them a definitive piece of knowledge . It doesn’t “just to be clear.

I don’t know Nicholas hacko and have no relationship with him .

As someone who helped John write the guide let me just remind you again , it is exactly that .. a rough framework of the ‘normal’ you’d expect to see , calling ‘fake ‘ Frankenstein , ‘crook’ if it doesn’t fit that is akin to to good lynching in the town square . ROlex doesn’t not fit into the neat boxes That collectors want it to to make sense of it all .

I’ve also along the way seen plenty of 5 mill serifs , were they added ? We’re they used as a service dial ? My gut says no -as likewise some of the ones I’ve seen are original owner pieces .ROlex throughout its history has never let anything go to waste and there are throwback examples all over the place of earlier parts being used up out of stores .

Would I buy one ? Yes if the price reflected the deviation from the ‘norm’ ...would you see many in the market ? No .. most would have the dial swapped over to make them sellable to meet the norm .

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by jedly1

With the greatest of respect , the consensus is from a load of forumers who’ve read a guide on line and think that gives them a definitive piece of knowledge . It doesn’t “just to be clear.

I don’t know Nicholas hacko and have no relationship with him .

As someone who helped John write the guide let me just remind you again , it is exactly that .. a rough framework of the ‘normal’ you’d expect to see , calling ‘fake ‘ Frankenstein , ‘crook’ if it doesn’t fit that is akin to to good lynching in the town square . ROlex doesn’t not fit into the neat boxes That collectors want it to to make sense of it all .

I’ve also along the way seen plenty of 5 mill serifs , were they added ? We’re they used as a service dial ? My gut says no -as likewise some of the ones I’ve seen are original owner pieces .ROlex throughout its history has never let anything go to waste and there are throwback examples all over the place of earlier parts being used up out of stores .

Would I buy one ? Yes if the price reflected the deviation from the ‘norm’ ...would you see many in the market ? No .. most would have the dial swapped over to make them sellable to meet the norm .

Thanks Jed. My son Paul sends his regards.

[jedly1]

Say hi back .Hope you guys are keeping safe and well under lockdown !

[Paulie 50]

Originally Posted by jedly1

Say hi back .Hope you guys are keeping safe and well under lockdown !

We are Jed, thank you. You stay safe.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by jedly1

With the greatest of respect , the consensus is from a load of forumers who’ve read a guide on line and think that gives them a definitive piece of knowledge . It doesn’t “just to be clear.

I don’t know Nicholas hacko and have no relationship with him .

As someone who helped John write the guide let me just remind you again , it is exactly that .. a rough framework of the ‘normal’ you’d expect to see , calling ‘fake ‘ Frankenstein , ‘crook’ if it doesn’t fit that is akin to to good lynching in the town square . ROlex doesn’t not fit into the neat boxes That collectors want it to to make sense of it all .

I’ve also along the way seen plenty of 5 mill serifs , were they added ? We’re they used as a service dial ? My gut says no -as likewise some of the ones I’ve seen are original owner pieces .ROlex throughout its history has never let anything go to waste and there are throwback examples all over the place of earlier parts being used up out of stores .

Would I buy one ? Yes if the price reflected the deviation from the ‘norm’ ...would you see many in the market ? No .. most would have the dial swapped over to make them sellable to meet the norm .

Good points about norms and variation from norms, everyone should remember that outliers are possible, within reason. We can each make our own decisions about what we consider plausible, that's fine. But the bottom line, and you apparently agree, is that it's not a maxi dial as advertised by the seller. Correct?

[narembeen]

He was one of the watch makers I approached about getting my watch restored. He came up with this flat rate of 10k aud off the top of his head (no that didnt include a replacement dial). In the end it is being restored for under 3k aud. Enough said really....

I just searched for him in this forum and sure enough, he is banned.

https://www.rolexforums.com/member.php?u=4084

[jedly1]

Originally Posted by Dan S

Good points about norms and variation from norms, everyone should remember that outliers are possible, within reason. We can each make our own decisions about what we consider plausible, that's fine. But the bottom line, and you apparently agree, is that it's not a maxi dial as advertised by the seller. Correct?

Absolutely , and that is where the criticism should be focused imho .

That is an easy start finish conclude conversation

[ILuvSubs]

Originally Posted by jedly1

Absolutely , and that is where the criticism should be focused imho .

That is an easy start finish conclude conversation

Thanks Jed for sharing your wisdom on the forum and the gentle reminder to us all about the serial range "guide".

[Filipão]

This is not only about the OP being lured into a SCAM (Serif not a Maxi)

Why won't the OP disclose the BL@@dy seller?