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Why so manywatches without boxes and papers?
Hello All -
Very new to the forum - and to Rolex.... Looking at purchasing my first Rolex (Sub Date). I'm leaning towards used at the moment. My newbe question: Is there a legit reason why 95% of the watches I find have no box or papers included? (I find this especially true with dealers... Not as much via private party) I've read lots on the forum about the pros/cons to having the complete kit, and I understand it all... But I feel like I'm missing a piece of info as to why so many are box/paperless - even ceramic subs that are a year or two old. |
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Most Rolex are bought by people to wear and not collect. Wearers don't care about keeping unused junk in their homes. Mainly flippers keep the stuff. Do you keep all your shoe boxes?
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IMO it's just a personality thing. I keep original packaging & paperwork whether it's a pocket knife or a watch. Simply as that. |
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Of course there are exceptions but just trying to explain why. This increases as watches get older.
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What I find even more unusual is that you can find a full set bar the papers/warranty card, I mean how do they manage to keep everything but lose the papers!!
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Because some people are not detail oriented
They "lose" other things in their lives as well
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I bought my Sert sub from a non AD jewelry store. Luckily, they had the full package including box with the outer sleeve, anchor, booklets and original Rolex sales receipt from the original owner. It was 4 years old.
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Again, many don't see value in keeping expired warranty paper work. If it weren't for my joining the forum I never would have thought about it. Also, boxes can easily be purchased as can all the other doodads but paper work has to match.
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Since all the watches are actually worn (admittedly the Rolex is mostly just stored away to be brought out (of the safety deposit box) for special occasions) there is no reason for official boxes nor paperwork - take the watch off, drop in (wallet) cardboard box top in drawer, take out of box top when it's time to wear it! |
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So, really, it comes down to personal preference....
There is not a real/legal reason why so many don't have all original materials.... Wow. I posted the original (and somewhat silly) question simply because Rolex has a bit of a fanatical following to it... I was (and still am) surprised to find so many missing boxes and papers that I felt I was missing some key info. |
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Continuing this discussion further, what if any should be the price difference / percentage between a complete set and one without all the stuff?
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It made me wonder if people keep papers/warranty info when they sell the watch because they are concerned about personal info going into the wild. |
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Your name and sometimes address is on the card. Just depends on what the AD does. Some people don’t want this information out there.
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Its a collector thing and i get it .. Box and papers are a must for vintage but i wear the watch not the box and papers. I always keep my box and papers watches,guns,knifes most everything but it does take up space.
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i like the cloths and bags that come with Gucci,Boss,Bally,Church, etc boxes plus keeps them out of the light,,,,jay |
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To the original poster... if you really are a newbie looking at used Subs without box and papers, be very careful and make sure you are buying from a very reputable seller. Don’t get scammed.
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For expensive items, I try to keep the box and everything that came with them.
Tech and 3C products, I will keep them for a year. But to answer your question.. maybe people misplaced them, threw them away, or maybe it is a stolen watch. |
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You mentioned iPods. I’m not on iPod, iPhone or tech forums but I’ve kept every box I’ve ever bought for those types of devices. I wouldn’t call myself an iPhone enthusiast, especially not the same way I’m a watch enthusiast. |
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![]() ![]() In my case, keeping boxes for everything isn’t exactly easy when you consider closet space in 100 year old homes near downtown in a city. After the return window is over, I primarily only keep watch boxes (and I’m a one watch guy,) a box for one pair of somewhat collectible sneakers, and camera boxes (because I usually flip them later on down the line.) I could easily see how someone who isn’t a WIS would throw away watch boxes. |
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For the paper, it is useless unless the numbers match. |
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I'm only considering "full kit" subs because I'm a newbie... And finding a submariner with the complete kit is harder than I thought... |
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This.
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In general, I keep a box until the item is out of warranty. If it's out of warranty and I see the box, it immediately gets recycled. This forum has taught me to be different with watches, but I'm still amazed that some people keep the stickers and hang tags. I get the warranty card, but who wants the hang tags from a 5-year old watch?
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i keep tv boxes for moving them. same with speakers.
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