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oysterquartz17000 · 23 September 2019, 06:03 PM

Hi guys, I have been offered this GMT in a trade. It looks absolutely stunning to me. I have looked around and prices vary according to condition, I would just like to ensure this is a fair deal for both parties. The owner is asking for two Submariners, full sets (1991 sub and 1997 14060) plus $1350 USD on top. The GMT Master has no box or papers.

1675-David · 23 September 2019, 06:31 PM

can't comment on your deal but looks really sharp, the case is recut right?

oysterquartz17000 · 23 September 2019, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

can't comment on your deal but looks really sharp, the case is recut right?

It look like it, doesnt it. I will ask and let you know.

Xamy · 23 September 2019, 07:15 PM

looks ok

ajn3323 · 23 September 2019, 09:16 PM

Serial number pegs it at about 1971. And I would agree the case looks recut - nicely I might add.

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BisonHead · 23 September 2019, 09:25 PM

Not for me that trade.

oysterquartz17000 · 23 September 2019, 09:27 PM

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Not for me that trade.

Yeah he is at 17.7k in trade value apparently.

charlitos · 23 September 2019, 09:53 PM

Nice watch. although I wouldn't make the deal

BisonHead · 23 September 2019, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by oysterquartz17000

Yeah he is at 17.7k in trade value apparently.

Lovely watch and don't doubt the value. Personally would hold onto 2 Subs esp full sets.

Dan S · 23 September 2019, 10:33 PM

I'm thinking that the bezel insert may be a later replacement, but that's just based on my non-expert inspection of the shape of the "8"s. I believe, that the printing should be a bit fatter, and the top circle of the "8" more flattened. Again, I hope to be corrected if I'm wrong.

1665fan · 23 September 2019, 11:23 PM

It’s a replacement insert...so 17k is too much...at this time I’d say is 14-15k....very nice watch but I would not trade 2 full sets and cash....are your watches all original matching tritium? If so I’d say even trade at most

oysterquartz17000 · 23 September 2019, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

It’s a replacement insert...so 17k is too much...at this time I’d say is 14-15k....very nice watch but I would not trade 2 full sets and cash....are your watches all original matching tritium? If so I’d say even trade at most

Hi, yes full sets, papers, books etc, full 12 link bracelets, even bezel protectors, original stickered boxes. Original tritium dials and handsets, both bracelets just overhauled by Michael Young. I was thinking a straight swap too. I will run it by him tomorrow. Still mulling this one over, so thanks for your help guys.

1675-David · 24 September 2019, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan S

I'm thinking that the bezel insert may be a later replacement, but that's just based on my non-expert inspection of the shape of the "8"s. I believe, that the printing should be a bit fatter, and the top circle of the "8" more flattened. Again, I hope to be corrected if I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

It’s a replacement insert...

Bezels are really confusing at times, check this old thread out

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=579560

oysterquartz17000 · 24 September 2019, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by 1675-David

Bezels are really confusing at times, check this old thread out

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=579560

Ok, I just learnt something...I think? blue/black

Tom1675 · 24 September 2019, 02:00 AM

Replacement insert but nice watch and recut for sure as stated... Personally I think it may be worth both subs right now/no cash. For me its the GMT as I feel one great/solid piece is better than two quite common (no date 1990s subs). Kind of a weird analogy but there isn't a sports GM who wouldn't trade a couple of solid/good players for one great one.

oysterquartz17000 · 24 September 2019, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom1675

Replacement insert but nice watch and recut for sure as stated... Personally I think it may be worth both subs right now/no cash. For me its the GMT as I feel one great/solid piece is better than two quite common (no date 1990s subs). Kind of a weird analogy but there isn't a sports GM who wouldn't trade a couple of solid/good players for one great one.

I think its perhaps worth slightly less than my two submariners, given only by a few hundred, but nevertheless, cash in the opposite direction isn't going to happen.

RC2 · 24 September 2019, 09:53 AM

Two for one. Nope

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oysterquartz17000 · 24 September 2019, 09:55 AM

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Two for one. Nope

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Yes I agree, not a great deal. I thought about it, but the seller seems firm on cash his way, if anything I should have some cash my way lol The 14060 is barely worn, a true safe queen too.

zapokee · 24 September 2019, 11:03 AM

Long-E dial is nice, but the recut case, replacement insert and lack of B&P would make me hold on to the two subs and the cash.

oysterquartz17000 · 24 September 2019, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by zapokee

Long-E dial is nice, but the recut case, replacement insert and lack of B&P would make me hold on to the two subs and the cash.

Thanks. Yeah the whole desire for a vintage dial and handset, but cutting the case to look brand new is something I never understood.

zapokee · 24 September 2019, 11:25 AM

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Thanks. Yeah the whole desire for a vintage dial and handset, but cutting the case to look brand new is something I never understood.

Well, you could wear it for a year and it will look old again...

Rocketman39 · 24 September 2019, 12:06 PM

I would pass on this one !

HarryLime · 24 September 2019, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1665fan

It’s a replacement insert...so 17k is too much...at this time I’d say is 14-15k....very nice watch but I would not trade 2 full sets and cash....are your watches all original matching tritium? If so I’d say even trade at most

less in this case

oysterquartz17000 · 24 September 2019, 07:36 PM

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less in this case

Yeah for sure, in the end I didnt go ahead with this, the deal wasnt great at all. He was still holding out for a few thousand on top even today. Forget it.

zapokee · 24 September 2019, 11:48 PM

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Yeah for sure, in the end I didnt go ahead with this, the deal wasnt great at all. He was still holding out for a few thousand on top even today. Forget it.

Think you made the right decision.

air_king · 26 September 2019, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by oysterquartz17000

I think its perhaps worth slightly less than my two submariners, given only by a few hundred, but nevertheless, cash in the opposite direction isn't going to happen.

I agree, I would negotiate a bit harder on this if you really want it to happen. Looks like a really nice GMT.

oysterquartz17000 · 26 September 2019, 08:37 AM

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I agree, I would negotiate a bit harder on this if you really want it to happen. Looks like a really nice GMT.

I tried, but the seller basically wants to flip the two subs so he wanted a lower trade value on those plus more cash. We were never going to meet in the middle.

Nikrnic · 26 September 2019, 10:05 AM

Glad to hear your keeping your Subs and didn't do that deal. I love 4/5 digit Gmts as much as anyone else here and a near perfect 16710 full set just found me. I think your Subs will go up in value as much on there own as his Gmt will. 5 digit Subs are hot and getting hotter.

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GGGMT · 26 September 2019, 10:41 AM

Glad to hear you passed. For me, it seemed pretty easy.

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oysterquartz17000 · 26 September 2019, 11:31 AM

Thanks guys. Once the purple haze of the trade dissipated, I was glad I made the right decision.

23 September 2019, 10:33 PM	#10
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,893	I'm thinking that the bezel insert may be a later replacement, but that's just based on my non-expert inspection of the shape of the "8"s. I believe, that the printing should be a bit fatter, and the top circle of the "8" more flattened. Again, I hope to be corrected if I'm wrong. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

24 September 2019, 09:53 AM	#17
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	Two for one. Nope Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

23 September 2019, 06:31 PM	#2
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,010	can't comment on your deal but looks really sharp, the case is recut right?

23 September 2019, 07:15 PM	#4
Xamy Banned Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: United States Posts: 106	looks ok

23 September 2019, 09:16 PM	#5
ajn3323 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Southeast USA Posts: 158	Serial number pegs it at about 1971. And I would agree the case looks recut - nicely I might add. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

23 September 2019, 09:25 PM	#6
BisonHead "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: UK Watch: Sub,SD,DJ,OP Posts: 1,950	Not for me that trade.

23 September 2019, 09:53 PM	#8
charlitos "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: España Posts: 179	Nice watch. although I wouldn't make the deal

23 September 2019, 11:23 PM	#11
1665fan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: East coast Posts: 6,590	It’s a replacement insert...so 17k is too much...at this time I’d say is 14-15k....very nice watch but I would not trade 2 full sets and cash....are your watches all original matching tritium? If so I’d say even trade at most

24 September 2019, 02:00 AM	#15
Tom1675 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Real Name: Tom Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,172	Replacement insert but nice watch and recut for sure as stated... Personally I think it may be worth both subs right now/no cash. For me its the GMT as I feel one great/solid piece is better than two quite common (no date 1990s subs). Kind of a weird analogy but there isn't a sports GM who wouldn't trade a couple of solid/good players for one great one.

24 September 2019, 11:03 AM	#19
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,344	Long-E dial is nice, but the recut case, replacement insert and lack of B&P would make me hold on to the two subs and the cash.

24 September 2019, 12:06 PM	#22
Rocketman39 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: Florida Watch: 5513,Hulk,GMTII Posts: 364	I would pass on this one !

26 September 2019, 10:05 AM	#28
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,158	Glad to hear your keeping your Subs and didn't do that deal. I love 4/5 digit Gmts as much as anyone else here and a near perfect 16710 full set just found me. I think your Subs will go up in value as much on there own as his Gmt will. 5 digit Subs are hot and getting hotter. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

26 September 2019, 10:41 AM	#29
GGGMT 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,037	Glad to hear you passed. For me, it seemed pretty easy. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

26 September 2019, 11:31 AM	#30
oysterquartz17000 Banned Join Date: May 2019 Location: AWOL Watch: Submariner 16803 Posts: 487	Thanks guys. Once the purple haze of the trade dissipated, I was glad I made the right decision.

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