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harleydog · 23 January 2010, 02:03 AM

I have been looking for a Red Sub for the last month or so and just came across this one.

Any thoughts? Also, comes with Rolex Service papers and box but no original papers. What would a competitive price for this watch be.

Finally, about this Patina thing, is more Patina better than less and what causes patina to form?

Thanks

eparisini · 23 January 2010, 02:49 AM

$ 7.500 / 8.500 but it depends over all conditions, I can't see form these pics...
Plexy?
Opened case back?
Reference # & Serial #
Bracelet?

SLS · 23 January 2010, 03:13 AM

Go to www.doubleredseadweller.com and compare the dials and their respective serial numbers to your watch. As far as what causes the Patina, one school of thought is that the more the watch was exposed to UV light, i.e. worn, the less patina it will have.
Scott

harleydog · 23 January 2010, 03:28 AM

So can the Patina be reversed if used more of time, i.e. exposed to sunlight?

and thanks for the input

SLS · 23 January 2010, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by harleydog

So can the Patina be reversed if used more of time, i.e. exposed to sunlight?

and thanks for the input

To my knowledge, no, it will not lighten over time.
Scott

harleydog · 23 January 2010, 10:02 AM

Does this mesh with what is known. Thanks again
WATCH HAS SERIAL DATE:3061290 =1971*& MODEL 1680.STAMPED BETWEEN THE LUGS,IT IS ALSO STAMPED:1680 & III 71 = (3RD QUARTER 1971) INSIDE THE CASE BACK. THE ORIGINAL AND PERFECT* CHRONMETER ACCURATE CAL.1570 MOVEMENT HAS BEEN SERVICED.
THE FOLDED LINK BRACELET 9315 AS I HAVE ON THE 5513 IM SELLING WAS THOUGHT BY SOME TO BE USED ON ALL*RED SUB'S (WRONG).BUT ACCORDING TO ROLEX REF BOOKS THOSE BRACELETS WERE USED BETWEEN EARLY 60'S-EARLY 70'S. SO YES*VERY EARLY*RED SUB'S USED 9315 FOLDED LINKS.. HOWEVER*MY WATCH BEING A LATE*71 COULD BE EITHER.WITHOUT BEING THE OWNER THAT BOUGHT IT FROM NEW ,HARD TO TELL. BUT EARLY 70'S THEY STARTED USING A SOLID LINK BRACELET.*MY WATCH HAS A 93150 FLIPLOCK SUBMARINER BRACELET*FITTED .I WOULD SAY TOP CONDITION WITH MINIMAL WEAR.*I HOPE THIS

swissautopro · 23 January 2010, 10:10 AM

The dial looks correct for that serial number, but I would really like to see more of the case (lugs, crown guards), before commenting on whether or not this is a keeper. For me, minimal to no polishing is a prerequisite ... but that's me. There's nothing worse than over-polished lugs, sides, and crown guards to really impact the value of a vintage piece (other than an incorrect dial of course).

harleydog · 23 January 2010, 10:23 AM

Swiss I there an email address you could share that I could send more pics. Not at a computer and my phone will not allow upload

thanks for all the input
Claude

bb3188 · 23 January 2010, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by swissautopro

The dial looks correct for that serial number, but I would really like to see more of the case (lugs, crown guards), before commenting on whether or not this is a keeper. For me, minimal to no polishing is a prerequisite ... but that's me. There's nothing worse than over-polished lugs, sides, and crown guards to really impact the value of a vintage piece (other than an incorrect dial of course).

correct me if im wrong but this dial appears to be a "closed 6" ? (I might have got it wrong with the attached pictures as my eyes arent too good !!) If so,wouldn't that dial be for later models of the red sub?

I am by no means an expert and so am happy to be corrected as it will help my learning curve, but I too have a 111.71 and have been advised that the correct dial is a MK4 , open 6 dial.

rgds

Mark

swissautopro · 23 January 2010, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bearbrass3188

correct me if im wrong but this dial appears to be a "closed 6" ? (I might have got it wrong with the attached pictures as my eyes arent too good !!) If so,wouldn't that dial be for later models of the red sub?

I am by no means an expert and so am happy to be corrected as it will help my learning curve, but I too have a 111.71 and have been advised that the correct dial is a MK4 , open 6 dial.

rgds

Mark

You are correct, it is a "closed 6" dial, as it should be with a 3.0 mil. dial. Actually, I believe you are correct twice. I have found both 'closed 6' and 'open 6' dials in the archive in a very tight serial number range. This may possibly be when the Mk III was being phased out and the Mk 4 phased in.

harleydog · 23 January 2010, 01:00 PM

Wow a lot to know when buying these. The imformation is great

harleydog · 24 January 2010, 05:31 AM

Some pics of the lugs and the paperwork that is available.
Anything conclusive that can be deduced from these additional fotos
Thanks
Claude

harleydog · 24 January 2010, 05:33 AM

Hope this works

harleydog · 24 January 2010, 05:41 AM

Well it has been sold, oddly enough when i asked for a picture of the watch showing the serial number and case number, the answer i got was sold. Is this odd? buy i have my eyes on another one, let me post the picture when i can

swissautopro · 24 January 2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by harleydog

Well it has been sold, oddly enough when i asked for a picture of the watch showing the serial number and case number, the answer i got was sold. Is this odd? buy i have my eyes on another one, let me post the picture when i can

Could be a coincidence. Just move on to the next one.

23 January 2010, 02:49 AM	#2
eparisini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Emanuele Location: Italy Watch: 6263 FAP Posts: 795	$ 7.500 / 8.500 but it depends over all conditions, I can't see form these pics... Plexy? Opened case back? Reference # & Serial # Bracelet? __________________ EAT, DRINK AND BE MAUI

23 January 2010, 03:13 AM	#3
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	Go to www.doubleredseadweller.com and compare the dials and their respective serial numbers to your watch. As far as what causes the Patina, one school of thought is that the more the watch was exposed to UV light, i.e. worn, the less patina it will have. Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

23 January 2010, 10:10 AM	#7
swissautopro "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: South Carolina Watch: 3.3M 1655 Mk I Posts: 2,384	The dial looks correct for that serial number, but I would really like to see more of the case (lugs, crown guards), before commenting on whether or not this is a keeper. For me, minimal to no polishing is a prerequisite ... but that's me. There's nothing worse than over-polished lugs, sides, and crown guards to really impact the value of a vintage piece (other than an incorrect dial of course). __________________ "A little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you like a bandit, and scarcity like an armed man." Proverbs 24 "It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than open your mouth and remove all doubt." Unknown "Better to be a nobody and yet have a servant than pretend to be somebody and have no food." Proverbs 12

23 January 2010, 03:28 AM	#4
harleydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Claude Location: Dallas Watch: Tona/LVSub/GM2 Pep Posts: 91	So can the Patina be reversed if used more of time, i.e. exposed to sunlight? and thanks for the input

23 January 2010, 10:02 AM	#6
harleydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Claude Location: Dallas Watch: Tona/LVSub/GM2 Pep Posts: 91	Does this mesh with what is known. Thanks again WATCH HAS SERIAL DATE:3061290 =1971& MODEL 1680.STAMPED BETWEEN THE LUGS,IT IS ALSO STAMPED:1680 & III 71 = (3RD QUARTER 1971) INSIDE THE CASE BACK. THE ORIGINAL AND PERFECT CHRONMETER ACCURATE CAL.1570 MOVEMENT HAS BEEN SERVICED. THE FOLDED LINK BRACELET 9315 AS I HAVE ON THE 5513 IM SELLING WAS THOUGHT BY SOME TO BE USED ON ALLRED SUB'S (WRONG).BUT ACCORDING TO ROLEX REF BOOKS THOSE BRACELETS WERE USED BETWEEN EARLY 60'S-EARLY 70'S. SO YESVERY EARLYRED SUB'S USED 9315 FOLDED LINKS.. HOWEVERMY WATCH BEING A LATE71 COULD BE EITHER.WITHOUT BEING THE OWNER THAT BOUGHT IT FROM NEW ,HARD TO TELL. BUT EARLY 70'S THEY STARTED USING A SOLID LINK BRACELET.MY WATCH HAS A 93150 FLIPLOCK SUBMARINER BRACELETFITTED .I WOULD SAY TOP CONDITION WITH MINIMAL WEAR.I HOPE THIS

23 January 2010, 10:23 AM	#8
harleydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Claude Location: Dallas Watch: Tona/LVSub/GM2 Pep Posts: 91	Swiss I there an email address you could share that I could send more pics. Not at a computer and my phone will not allow upload thanks for all the input Claude

23 January 2010, 01:00 PM	#11
harleydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Claude Location: Dallas Watch: Tona/LVSub/GM2 Pep Posts: 91	Wow a lot to know when buying these. The imformation is great

24 January 2010, 05:31 AM	#12
harleydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Claude Location: Dallas Watch: Tona/LVSub/GM2 Pep Posts: 91	Some pics of the lugs and the paperwork that is available. Anything conclusive that can be deduced from these additional fotos Thanks Claude

24 January 2010, 05:41 AM	#14
harleydog "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Claude Location: Dallas Watch: Tona/LVSub/GM2 Pep Posts: 91	Well it has been sold, oddly enough when i asked for a picture of the watch showing the serial number and case number, the answer i got was sold. Is this odd? buy i have my eyes on another one, let me post the picture when i can

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