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debner4 · 15 January 2018, 04:03 PM

I have a 5712A and love it so much that I am trying to add a 5711 (also blue dial). But lately, I am wondering whether the AP Royal Oak 15202ST would be better?

Would love to know what you think, and posting this on the Patek forum intentionally as I love Patek and want to make sure the input is from others who do as well. And to be clear, I do not want a 5711 in a white dial, even though that may seem like the obvious choice.

Some of my thoughts:

The 15202 is more of a different experience than my 5712A compared to what the difference the 5711A would be, and I love the two hand look (but I also like being able to see the movement in action by way of a second hand). Also, as much as I like AP, I prefer Pateks (all things being equal).

I am unlikely to sell either, so better resale value, while nice, isn’t a driving force. And obviously, I will be able to get the 15202 much sooner than the 5711, and it is a touch cheaper as well, when purchased new from an AD.

All votes and replies are appreciated!

tyler1980 · 15 January 2018, 04:26 PM

both great watches, but with a 5712 already (which i prefer to the 11 anyway) the only real choice here is the 15202. That takes nothing away from the 5711, but two of the same case vs one each of the most iconic sports watch designs of all time, no way that is even close for me, especially so since you are taking resale off the table.

nyc2la · 15 January 2018, 04:58 PM

5711/1a

Helmi · 15 January 2018, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

both great watches, but with a 5712 already (which i prefer to the 11 anyway) the only real choice here is the 15202. That takes nothing away from the 5711, but two of the same case vs one each of the most iconic sports watch designs of all time, no way that is even close for me, especially so since you are taking resale off the table.

Fully agree. If it was the white, then I might be little more hesitant but with the blue, for sure 15202 makes much more sense.

Some photos

Busyboy · 15 January 2018, 06:21 PM

In the UK at any rate, the 5711 is a touch cheaper than the 15202.... £19030 vs. £19200
But obviously resale is a different story

Aesthetically and considering resale isn't a factor I'd definitely go 15202. Its also gonna be with you some time in 2018. Which the 5711 wont. Instead, while you wait get on the list for a white 5711/ then you'll have all bases covered without being overly similar

RussW · 15 January 2018, 08:31 PM

I’d normally say the 5711, but if you could get the limited 15202 in titanium with platinum bezel I’d go for that.

RussW · 15 January 2018, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmi

Fully agree. If it was the white, then I might be little more hesitant but with the blue, for sure 15202 makes much more sense.

Some photos

Love the photos!

rebel_1 · 15 January 2018, 10:07 PM

Tough to say. I had a 15202 for almost exactly two years. I just recently flipped it. I’d probably pick up something else like an AP diver or a different PP. The Jumbo just didn’t do it for me.

ap1 · 16 January 2018, 12:15 AM

I’d want 5712 and 5711 white

goog53 · 16 January 2018, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyler1980

both great watches, but with a 5712 already (which i prefer to the 11 anyway) the only real choice here is the 15202. That takes nothing away from the 5711, but two of the same case vs one each of the most iconic sports watch designs of all time, no way that is even close for me, especially so since you are taking resale off the table.

I agree 1000%

tng11 · 16 January 2018, 12:44 AM

With a 5712, I'd go 15202. Nice to have some variety and two iconic designs as opposed to two watches with the same case design and similar profile, and even though it's heresy, I think in the head-to-head, the 15202 beats the 5711/1A blue dial except on resale value. In the white dial, it's a closer call.

AK797 · 16 January 2018, 12:52 AM

I chose 15202 but would seriously consider the new 15202IP. Also the 5726.

dr35mm · 16 January 2018, 01:12 AM

5712 + White Dial 5711 ftw.

AP is fantastic but it's not an option for me, most especially when we are talking PP Nautilus.

JJ WA · 16 January 2018, 02:56 AM

If your question were to complement the 5712 with a 5711 WHITE dial or with a 15202, it would be extremely difficult. I own these three watches and feel that they complement each other to the fullest in Genta awesomeness. The white/piano Nautilus adds some fresh air to the trio and is just a beautiful piece.

As you are contemplating, a blue dial 5711, already owning a 5712, I would jump straight to 15202. Make sure you also source a winding tool from AP, which helps tremendously to set the date and to wind the 15202 (with its tiny crown and no quick set date).

debner4 · 16 January 2018, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmi

Fully agree. If it was the white, then I might be little more hesitant but with the blue, for sure 15202 makes much more sense.

Some photos

Those pics are insane! And VERY helpful too. Thanks so much for sharing.

Helmi · 16 January 2018, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by debner4

Those pics are insane! And VERY helpful too. Thanks so much for sharing.

You're most welcome. Good luck with your choice.

Jinson · 16 January 2018, 05:10 AM

Close call .... I personally like the variation so 5711 white or the 15202. Whatever you decide it sure is nice to have such great choices!

travisb · 16 January 2018, 05:49 AM

I prefer the 15202 over all of them. You already having the 5712 should make AP the easy choice.

red1108nyc · 16 January 2018, 05:55 AM

All choices are in the land of awesomeness. My vote goes to 15202 for variation.

GB-man · 16 January 2018, 06:09 AM

202

fabio62 · 16 January 2018, 06:20 AM

Bought all three
Sold the 15202
I know 15202 has a better movement... but nothing to do with 5711 dial beauty.

soundserious · 16 January 2018, 02:18 PM

AP just churns out more versions of their watches, nice peices but looking at their SIHH offerings It’s just more of the same. A lot more. Just not special enough compared to a Nautilus imo.

Iflylo · 16 January 2018, 09:32 PM

15202 all the way!

Helmi, those photos are fantastic!! Thanks

Helmi · 16 January 2018, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iflylo

15202 all the way!

Helmi, those photos are fantastic!! Thanks

Cheers

yoast · 16 January 2018, 10:44 PM

202

kneedeep · 17 January 2018, 07:27 AM

202

dc98354 · 17 January 2018, 07:44 PM

I would go 15202 as I'm in the similar position I too have 5712 and a blue 15400.

charcoal6666 · 17 January 2018, 07:54 PM

I honestly think 5711, 5712 and 15202st are all worth collecting, i had both 5711 and 15202st at one point

View Poll Results: I already have a 5712A: Should I buy a 5711A (blue dial) or an AP 15202 (blue dial)?
5711 and it’s not even close	31	26.50%
5711 barely	7	5.98%
15202 and it’s not even close	47	40.17%
15202 barely	32	27.35%
Voters: 117. You may not vote on this poll

15 January 2018, 04:03 PM	#1
debner4 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: California Posts: 268	5711A or AP 15202 (blue dials) to pair with 5712A I have a 5712A and love it so much that I am trying to add a 5711 (also blue dial). But lately, I am wondering whether the AP Royal Oak 15202ST would be better? Would love to know what you think, and posting this on the Patek forum intentionally as I love Patek and want to make sure the input is from others who do as well. And to be clear, I do not want a 5711 in a white dial, even though that may seem like the obvious choice. Some of my thoughts: The 15202 is more of a different experience than my 5712A compared to what the difference the 5711A would be, and I love the two hand look (but I also like being able to see the movement in action by way of a second hand). Also, as much as I like AP, I prefer Pateks (all things being equal). I am unlikely to sell either, so better resale value, while nice, isn’t a driving force. And obviously, I will be able to get the 15202 much sooner than the 5711, and it is a touch cheaper as well, when purchased new from an AD. All votes and replies are appreciated!

15 January 2018, 04:58 PM	#3
nyc2la "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Real Name: Stephen Location: Beach Watch: 16660 Posts: 9,174	5711/1a __________________ "Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm." --- RWE

15 January 2018, 10:07 PM	#8
rebel_1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Florida Posts: 2,132	Tough to say. I had a 15202 for almost exactly two years. I just recently flipped it. I’d probably pick up something else like an AP diver or a different PP. The Jumbo just didn’t do it for me. __________________ Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017

16 January 2018, 01:12 AM	#13
dr35mm "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Real Name: Peter Location: Caribbean Watch: BB58 Posts: 2,398	5712 + White Dial 5711 ftw. AP is fantastic but it's not an option for me, most especially when we are talking PP Nautilus. __________________ Present: BB58 \| BB36 \| GMW-B5000D-1JF \| 6900-PT80 Past: 16610LN \| 16622 \| 116610LN \| 214270

15 January 2018, 04:26 PM	#2
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	both great watches, but with a 5712 already (which i prefer to the 11 anyway) the only real choice here is the 15202. That takes nothing away from the 5711, but two of the same case vs one each of the most iconic sports watch designs of all time, no way that is even close for me, especially so since you are taking resale off the table.

15 January 2018, 06:21 PM	#5
Busyboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: Uk Posts: 1,069	In the UK at any rate, the 5711 is a touch cheaper than the 15202.... £19030 vs. £19200 But obviously resale is a different story Aesthetically and considering resale isn't a factor I'd definitely go 15202. Its also gonna be with you some time in 2018. Which the 5711 wont. Instead, while you wait get on the list for a white 5711/ then you'll have all bases covered without being overly similar

15 January 2018, 08:31 PM	#6
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,339	I’d normally say the 5711, but if you could get the limited 15202 in titanium with platinum bezel I’d go for that.

16 January 2018, 12:15 AM	#9
ap1 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,029	I’d want 5712 and 5711 white

16 January 2018, 12:44 AM	#11
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	With a 5712, I'd go 15202. Nice to have some variety and two iconic designs as opposed to two watches with the same case design and similar profile, and even though it's heresy, I think in the head-to-head, the 15202 beats the 5711/1A blue dial except on resale value. In the white dial, it's a closer call.

16 January 2018, 12:52 AM	#12
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,209	I chose 15202 but would seriously consider the new 15202IP. Also the 5726.

16 January 2018, 02:56 AM	#14
JJ WA "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Seattle Posts: 787	If your question were to complement the 5712 with a 5711 WHITE dial or with a 15202, it would be extremely difficult. I own these three watches and feel that they complement each other to the fullest in Genta awesomeness. The white/piano Nautilus adds some fresh air to the trio and is just a beautiful piece. As you are contemplating, a blue dial 5711, already owning a 5712, I would jump straight to 15202. Make sure you also source a winding tool from AP, which helps tremendously to set the date and to wind the 15202 (with its tiny crown and no quick set date).

16 January 2018, 05:10 AM	#17
Jinson 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: West Coast Watch: Older GMTs & Subs Posts: 564	Close call .... I personally like the variation so 5711 white or the 15202. Whatever you decide it sure is nice to have such great choices!

16 January 2018, 05:49 AM	#18
travisb 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 32,177	I prefer the 15202 over all of them. You already having the 5712 should make AP the easy choice.

16 January 2018, 05:55 AM	#19
red1108nyc 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Fred Location: NYC/NJ Metro Area Watch: Rolex Posts: 8,495	All choices are in the land of awesomeness. My vote goes to 15202 for variation.

16 January 2018, 06:09 AM	#20
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,852	202 __________________

16 January 2018, 06:20 AM	#21
fabio62 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Italy Posts: 99	My choice Bought all three Sold the 15202 I know 15202 has a better movement... but nothing to do with 5711 dial beauty.

16 January 2018, 02:18 PM	#22
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	AP just churns out more versions of their watches, nice peices but looking at their SIHH offerings It’s just more of the same. A lot more. Just not special enough compared to a Nautilus imo. __________________ Instagram: soundsoserious

16 January 2018, 09:32 PM	#23
Iflylo "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 384	15202 all the way! Helmi, those photos are fantastic!! Thanks __________________ "Walking's easy when the road is flat, the Good Lord gave us Mountains so we could learn how to Climb" Lonestar.

16 January 2018, 10:44 PM	#25
yoast "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: HK Posts: 2,257	202 __________________ IG: @yoast.watch https://www.instagram.com/yoast.watch/

17 January 2018, 07:27 AM	#26
kneedeep "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Not 2 far from u Posts: 3,457	202 __________________ Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018

17 January 2018, 07:44 PM	#27
dc98354 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Back in HK Posts: 110	I would go 15202 as I'm in the similar position I too have 5712 and a blue 15400.

17 January 2018, 07:54 PM	#28
charcoal6666 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Cambridge Posts: 59	All I honestly think 5711, 5712 and 15202st are all worth collecting, i had both 5711 and 15202st at one point

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