GMT 1675 dial and hand help needed

[nuno116600]

Hi, Can any one tell me if this dial and had are original or service?
The watch is 30X,XXX so around 1970?
It looks too nice to be a 50 year old dial and hands.
Any help would be much appriciated !

[lee fowler]

The dial and hands are not original to the watch.

[nuno116600]

Thank you. May I ask why ?


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[lee fowler]

It might of been one of the very last long E dials or a Mk2 dial for that serial number.

[nuno116600]

Thank you , do you know what the dial should be for this serial number? And how should one check to see that the hands are not original?
Do you thinks this is a deal breaker ? The seller has punched certificates and is asking USD 14,000


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[springer]

The dial on the watch is a Mark 5a found on later GMTs in the 5 million serial range.

Hands look fairly new so I would guess they have been changed at some point the past 45 years.

Normally, with a 3.0 million serial number, you would expect a Mark II dial although I have seen a few Mark I dials in that range.

Value is based on condition and originality which is something you'll have to decide.

[Thathorologist]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

It might of been one of the very last long E dials or a Mk2 dial for that serial number.

Long E dials were up to 1968-1969.

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by Thathorologist

Long E dials were up to 1968-1969.

No they went up to around 1971.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Thathorologist

Long E dials were up to 1968-1969.

Using years to date a vintage watch can become very confusing. Most of us prefer serial number range.

Your 1968 GMT might be considered to be a 1970 by someone else.

Read my other post from 12:16pm today.

[Thathorologist]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

No they went up to around 1971.

I don’t disagree Thanks


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[Thathorologist]

Originally Posted by springer

Using years to date a vintage watch can become very confusing. Most of us prefer serial number range.



Your 1968 GMT might be considered to be a 1970 by someone else.

That’s right that could be the case. So is the dial Original to this GMT in your opinion?
Cheers


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[springer]

Originally Posted by Thathorologist

That’s right that could be the case. So is the dial Original to this GMT in your opinion?
Cheers


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I responded at 12:16pm today - check that response.

[Thathorologist]

Originally Posted by springer

I responded at 12:16pm today - check that response.

Just did thanks.


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[nuno116600]

Thank you for educating my. So the dial should be a mk2 or 1 and hand have been changed. It is a pity because it had the papers stamped in 1975 bought in Guam.
In your opinion, would the value decrease because of these reasons?


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[rolstaff]

Yes, sure does the value decrease. It´s not impossible to find a MK II or MK I dial, but it´s not easy also.

[lee fowler]

The case doesn’t look great from the pics either, I would pass on this piece.

[Paul]

Originally Posted by rolstaff

Yes, sure does the value decrease. It´s not impossible to find a MK II or MK I dial, but it´s not easy also.

I had about 10 x Mk1 ( long centre stroke 'E' ) 1675 dials in my stash that I progessively sold on over the last couple of years. They sold well ... including a couple of wretched examples with very nasty, amateur'ish plot relumes. Just suddenly, early loose 1675 dials are becoming difficult to source . Two years earlier when I tried to sell the dials, I couldn't find any buyers at much lower asking prices.

And it took me three years to source a nice Mk2 dial to bring a watch in my own collection back to correct specs . Ultimately, I reluctantly sold a splendid Mk1 dial to fund a (slightly less splendid ) Mk2 dial cos. I was so darn stubborn about getting my watch back to original specs.

So yes, Mk1 and Mk2 1675 dials can be found ... but good luck finding a nice one. Stands to reason I guess cos. the nice ones are invariably still in the original watch.

With the scarcity of early sports dials nowadays and the prices being asked for them, I'd be paying a lot less than $14k for any Mk1 or Mk2 1675 that has an incorrect dial.

[nuno116600]

Understood and thanks for all the help.