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30 July 2014, 11:21 PM | #121 |
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And you have been lurking around here under this username since July 2, before your other username was banned?
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30 July 2014, 11:46 PM | #122 | |
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If you want to be a trusted seller on here ( highly unlikely) you refund the money immediately. Then you do your insurance process. The rest is all smoke and mirrors. |
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31 July 2014, 12:04 AM | #123 |
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Sorry for your frustrations and loss.
There is no doubt that you made a deal to purchase and receive said item. The failure of delivery is 100% on the seller. No matter what the reason. You were patient to give "USPS" the benefit of the doubt, and hope that the package would arrive shortly. Since it didn't appear that it was arriving any time soon, the seller should have issued a refund, and pursued the loss claim on his own. No one would have been out anything once the claim was paid. On a USPS side note???I sent a package with them and it never arrived. Even with their tracking system of knowing where it made contact in their facilities, it still mysteriously never materialized. LAME!!! |
31 July 2014, 12:12 AM | #124 | |
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Bottom line is you sold something that never made it to the buyer. You should have refunded his money in full as soon as it was apparent that the watch was not going to arrive. |
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31 July 2014, 12:15 AM | #125 |
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There are too many bloody names going on.
George, Gus, Robert Scott, Robert Young, Barstoolman (I remember that member), Survivor (ha ha look at me I'm back in an alias account), Troy Boy (Trojan Horse, I'm so clever). If correct, Gus/George will get back $5,000 from $6750. Robert Scott/Young shouldn't be selling anything IMO, he can't handle it and seemingly can't afford to do the honourable thing. If it were me (apart from the unlikeliness of dealing with such a person to start with), I'd take the deal and write off the $1750 as "lesson learned, don't deal with jerks" tax. There again, I'd possibly throw a lot of cash at it to make him pay, depending on how pissed off I felt. |
31 July 2014, 12:22 AM | #126 |
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It's not fair to make the (non-)recipient wait for reimbursement from an insurance claim as long as there is some certainty that the item will not subsequently be delivered.
From personal experience (and in another life living in the UK) I have had a $1000 package go missing, buyer refunded, claim made, post office paid out after a couple of months and several weeks later they delivered the package in china. Post office then reclaimed the refund from me and money&goods were gone. |
31 July 2014, 12:34 AM | #127 |
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In my book the seller is a thief that stoled $1,750 from the buyer.
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31 July 2014, 12:58 AM | #128 |
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31 July 2014, 01:08 AM | #129 |
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Any experience seller of valuable items KNOWS that if you are going to use USPS, you use Registered Mail, because 1) the mail is handled like evidence, signed for each step of the way. 2) You can insure up to $25K.
So deciding on a whim to send the Rolex via a new USPS service that does NOT allow sufficient insurance is very, very alerting. |
31 July 2014, 01:08 AM | #130 |
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Seller should immediately send a check for $1,750 to buyer to make him whole (on the assumption that a check for $5k is already on the way and good funds). Short and sweet. Buyers are always to be made whole if a purchased item never arrives as quickly as possible. It is up to the Seller to deal with all insurance related issues.
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31 July 2014, 01:45 AM | #131 |
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this stuff makes me sick to my stomach. I'm with you Gus.
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31 July 2014, 01:49 AM | #132 | |
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Nice explanation, but does not make it the right way to conduct business. It's your prerogative to believe otherwise, but if the roles were reversed, IMHO, I'm sure you would not be happy with the current status of the transaction. |
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31 July 2014, 01:52 AM | #133 |
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It's pretty difficult to comprehend how the seller can justify NOT making the buyer whole. If the shoe were on the other foot, would the buyer expect to be out of pocket anything?
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31 July 2014, 02:01 AM | #134 |
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Looks like it's time to say bye to troy boy now before he decides it's fair to rob another member out of $1,750.
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31 July 2014, 02:10 AM | #135 |
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Huh... The details are interesting, but only serve to further
Place you in a negative light. Why withhold the buyers funds While you waited for the insurance funds? Ridiculous. This is Your problem and you're still clearly in the wrong. And for god's sake what is there to DISCUSS about the balance??? Give Gus his money back. |
31 July 2014, 02:19 AM | #136 |
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The buyer sent you the total amount and you had to wait for nothing. In return, he expected a watch. He got nothing, yet you make him wait for USPS insurance, and then refund, with the insurance check, an amount LESS than he paid.....how can you justify this? He was quick to send money to you, you should be just as quick to send his money back when watch vanished. No matter how you write your explanation you come out looking bad at best and a thief at worst. You not only owe the buyer a check to fullky reimburse his payment to you, but also an apology to him and probably to the entire forum for your actions in this affair.
Nothing you can say or do makes you seem like the injured party. You owe the buyer...pay him.
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31 July 2014, 02:35 AM | #137 |
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I've never stated that Gus/George was only going to receive $5,000.........there were just a few more issues to discuss before that balance was settled.
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31 July 2014, 02:43 AM | #138 |
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31 July 2014, 02:58 AM | #139 |
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You left an important fact out of your explanation? You forgot to mention that Gus sent you the money. While it may be implied the money was sent I think it's important to point that out. That being said, it sounds like you spent the money before the deal was complete. The fact that Gus had to wait one day longer than the time it takes you to transfer the funds back to him truly reflects your character. I bet you have a nice watch on your wrist right now, while Gus waits? At this point, your explanation is nothing more than a feeble attempt to salvage your reputation and relieve the pressure! Disappointing! 👎
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31 July 2014, 03:07 AM | #140 |
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Issues mean nothing in this case. Youi recieved money for a watch that never got delivered. You owed him a full refund immediately, not after some some issues were settled. Nothing you say can remove or reduce your responsibility to do that. You screwed up. Even a full refund at this point doesn't make things right. The fact that you made him wait this long, and brinbg this to the forums attention shows you as someone who cannot be trusted to follow through honorably with a transaction. As my grandfathers would say, " a man is nothing without honor". Step up and do the honorable thing. Be a man.
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31 July 2014, 03:15 AM | #141 |
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I think at this point, it would be best if everyone just reserved their opinions until the seller and buyer can get the remainder of the refund settled.
Gus' check for 5k is in the mail and whatever arrangements need to be made to reimburse the remaining $1750 needs time to work out. If Gus gets all his money back, then what we have here is just a sloppy deal handled in all the wrong ways, but all's well that ends well. If Gus winds up getting shorted by even one cent, then matter unsettled. Now, it's up to the parties involved.
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31 July 2014, 03:22 AM | #142 |
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Oh, Troy Boy... What a soap opera.
Hopefully the OP get's what is owed him.
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31 July 2014, 03:37 AM | #143 |
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My thoughts exactly.... This is just ridiculous.
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31 July 2014, 04:22 AM | #144 | |
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There is not one member who either agrees with, or understands your reasoning. In fact, the majority view is that it is ridiculous for Gus to wait this long - and be made to wait even longer, to be made whole. What possible issue is there aside from improperly withholding the remainder of the balance? You are illustrative of exercising due diligence when researching a potential acquisition and give proof to the saying "buy the seller first." |
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31 July 2014, 11:54 AM | #145 |
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I think it is time to make Gus whole on his entire amount immediately and an apology would go a long way. We all collect and trade for fun and let's try to keep it that way.
Do the right things and move forward please. Best, Fred |
31 July 2014, 12:24 PM | #146 |
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Priority Express is NOT a new USPS shipping option, it's simply a new name for Express shipping. All that changed is the name , the method is exactly the same. It has always had a $5K limit.
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31 July 2014, 01:10 PM | #147 |
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Right, but if you send registered mail you can insure for $10K+. I've done $14K in the past.
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31 July 2014, 01:37 PM | #148 |
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I guess on a positive note the buyer will eventually all of his money back.
So many post this situation seem much worse than it was...lucky for the buyer the seller got upgrade from a "total dirt bag that ran away with the money and watch" to just "very poor sales man." Guess there is a lessened learned here becasue the intent was for the buyer to get a watch...no funny business. The whole "s@#$ happens thing happened" and from there it went spiraling out of control, it appears that its mostly worked out. I still have a feeling that the watch is at the local PO... The question is what happens if the watch is actually delivered... |
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1 August 2014, 12:00 AM | #150 |
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Good to know. Too bad it takes a lifetime and weeks of agita to get the package to the recipient.
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