9315 PATETED bracelet

[daveycrawford]

Does anyone know how rare or valuable a 71 PATETED 9315 bracelet is worth? Just wondering as I cant find any info regarding this.
Thanks again
Davey

[77T]

That would be fairly rare as I believe 1971 was the cutoff in production of that clasp.

Earlier clasps were stamped as PATENT PENDING. I believe that the PATETED was a short run. After that, properly spelled PATENTED apparently began from 1-71.

If I’ve recalled correctly, the sequence was
9315 PATENT PENDING through early 1970
9315 PATETED in 1970-71
9315 PATENTED 1971 onward

Admit that I’m less knowledgeable than those who will surely come along soon to post.



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[daveycrawford]

Thanks for your insight. Was thinking of getting mine sent for refurb. Not too bad but Michael Young in Hong Kong, I believe, is the guy to do it.

[77T]

There is another option in San Francisco. Sand Hill Watch Company.

They have posted some examples of their work and how they do it as well as how to get a quote, etc.

I saw a couple of TRF’ers gave good reviews.


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[joli160]

And close at home in the UK as well

[Chunky]

Originally Posted by 77T

That would be fairly rare as I believe 1971 was the cutoff in production of that clasp.

Earlier clasps were stamped as PATENT PENDING. I believe that the PATETED was a short run. After that, properly spelled PATENTED apparently began from 1-71.

If I’ve recalled correctly, the sequence was
9315 PATENT PENDING through early 1970
9315 PATETED in 1970-71
9315 PATENTED 1971 onward

Admit that I’m less knowledgeable than those who will surely come along soon to post.



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I have a "pateted" 9315 bracelet for My 1972 1680, case back IV72. The watch is in my safety deposit box now so I can't refer to it.
Just wondering if yours has a date code on the clasp(s)? I'm not sure that mine does, but it's been a while that i have not examined my clasps, so I am unsure about mine... Please let me know op. Thanks

[daveycrawford]

Yes I think it does have 71 date code.
I will check and post a pic later

[scooba]

Seth is the UKs bracelet guru , I have used MY in Hong Kong many times but its always a worry shipping Seth has a PO Box in essex nice and local if you ae in the uk

[Gina Marie]

Pateted was used in 72 as well. I have 2.

[Chunky]

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

Pateted was used in 72 as well. I have 2.

Are there date marks on your clasps? Please let me know. Thanks

[daveycrawford]

Thanks for the replies I will post some pics when I get time this weekend

[lee fowler]

I also have a no date 9315 as well with my 3.3 serial Red Sub. My understanding is that they are found up till around 1973.

[Chunky]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

I also have a no date 9315 as well with my 3.3 serial Red Sub. My understanding is that they are found up till around 1973.

So Lee, there are no date markings on your clasps for that bracelet?

[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by Chunky

So Lee, there are no date markings on your clasps for that bracelet?

Indeed no date markings.

[lee fowler]

Great article here from Springer.

https://rolexvintageforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=213

[1675-David]

I also have a no date marked 9315 with a PATETED clasp...

[Gina Marie]

I also have a no date pateted....we collectors get caught up in the minutea.....rolex did not...I assure you. What ever they had they used. Forest from the trees......

[Chunky]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

Great article here from Springer.

https://rolexvintageforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=213

Wow, that's great info. I thought something migh be wrong with my bracelet. I feel relieved now!

[77T]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

Great article here from Springer.



https://rolexvintageforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=213

That is excellent documented with pictures. But the clasp was PATENTED vs. PATETED extension. Just clarifying for new readers.

After ‘71, they weren’t date stamped so there will be some Subs from ‘72 marked PATETED.


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[JustinK]

My red sub is 3.2 million, case back is IV 72. The clasp has no date and reads pateted.

[77T]

Originally Posted by Chunky

I have a "pateted" 9315 bracelet for My 1972 1680, case back IV72. The watch is in my safety deposit box now so I can't refer to it.

Just wondering if yours has a date code on the clasp(s)? I'm not sure that mine does, but it's been a while that i have not examined my clasps, so I am unsure about mine... Please let me know op. Thanks

Yes that is possible. I didn’t word my reply carefully earlier today. The clasp extensions marked PATETED that accompanied Subs in 1972 did exist - it was the clasps that were not marked after 1971.

The way I worded my reply it appeared as though they weren’t produced. Clearly not my intent. The extensions were a new thing and produced separately from the clasps and then mated later depending upon the bracelet model to be paired with it.

An interesting aside is that for many years Explorer owners could opt for a bracelet with an extension, too. SO not only Sub owners will find these.

To add a footnote: Be aware that the fakers know these PATETED extensions can add rarity. So there are some cautionary posts in vintage forums about that. For example, long ago on VRF: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...ic.php?t=19441


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[lee fowler]

Originally Posted by 77T

That would be fairly rare as I believe 1971 was the cutoff in production of that clasp.

Earlier clasps were stamped as PATENT PENDING. I believe that the PATETED was a short run. After that, properly spelled PATENTED apparently began from 1-71.

If I’ve recalled correctly, the sequence was
9315 PATENT PENDING through early 1970
9315 PATETED in 1970-71
9315 PATENTED 1971 onward

Admit that I’m less knowledgeable than those who will surely come along soon to post.



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So this is incorrect then?

[77T]

Originally Posted by lee fowler

So this is incorrect then?

Yes it was too late to edit it after an hour.

There was an overlap that I should have noted. In 1971 and 1972 it was possible for an extension to be PATETED or PATENTED due to the parts bin process of grabbing whatever extension was in the bin to mate it to a clasp that needed one as the bracelets were in final assembly.

Sorry but hope the additional info was helpful.


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[springer]

Wear them and enjoy them gentlemen.

[btinl]

My 1969 mkII red sub III69 came with patent pending diver extension. My 1979 mkIV red sub IV70 came with pateted diver extension.

[paolove]

Hello,
I have a 9315 bracelet on my 5513 non serif dial serial 271xxxx (1971 - first half).
PATETED clasp, no date, 380 end link.

Someone says that the correct one would be 9315 with 280 end link, with date on the claps (4/71 or 1/72).
Do you think mine could be anyway the correct one?

Thank you

[springer]

Originally Posted by paolove

Hello,
I have a 9315 bracelet on my 5513 non serif dial serial 271xxxx (1971 - first half).
PATETED clasp, no date, 380 end link.

Someone says that the correct one would be 9315 with 280 end link, with date on the claps (4/71 or 1/72).
Do you think mine could be anyway the correct one?

Thank you

I would not agree with the "someone" providing you that information.

[Styles Bitchley]

My 1970 1680 has a no date bracelet with PAT PEND extension. Nobody’s mentioned those yet!


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[zapokee]

The "PATETED" spelling error is well known, but it makes you wonder how Rolex didn't check the spelling before starting production, and then didn't spot/correct it for such a long time.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by zapokee

The "PATETED" spelling error is well known, but it makes you wonder how Rolex didn't check the spelling before starting production, and then didn't spot/correct it for such a long time.

Back then, rolex wasn't as concerned with consistency as they are today. Esp for something that was hidden under a clasp. They had several produced and by the time they realized the error, they had no choice but to use all bracelets made and once liquidated, move forward with a corrected bracelet.

If such a thing happened today, rolex would be very embarrassed. I'm also sure anything that rolex would make with such an error today would be tremendously valuable.