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16 January 2019, 12:35 AM | #91 |
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Mr. Bennahmias's reaction to the bad publicities about Code 11:59
You’re probably right if they just recently did a remodel of the space. Maybe the lack of inventory is due to the line and allocation changes currently underway. Let us know how things look in a couple months!
As I mentioned, I’ll be traveling to Singapore and Hong Kong in February. Will be interesting to visit the Boutiques and AP House. Will travel through Seoul as well, but may not have time for watch shopping. |
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Its called “capture,” and I’ve been seeing it more and more in Hodinkee. When was the last time you read an article that was critical of a high end manufacture, or any manufacturer for that matter? The more they pander to manufacturers, which I think they do to a significant degree already, the greater the loss of independence. I understand the difficulties, but they at least need to push back and offer constructive criticisms. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Me too. I feel like that’s where the balance and criticism comes in, both constructive and otherwise. It’s a shame. Hodinkee sell themselves, well perhaps once upon a time they did, as thought leaders of horology. I feel that’s long gone. They still produce some excellent articles, especially Jack, but the site rarely produces anything that looks like constructive criticism. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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16 January 2019, 02:31 AM | #96 | |
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I've gotten more disappointed with their lack insight into watches and industry decisions. It wont stop me reading the site, which is good for photos and superficial details of watches outside of seeing one. For example, I wanted to get their take on the AP CODE watch. There was nothing in their review until an OP asked the author if the watch review was sponsored content! That reflects poorly on Hodinkee if an OP has to ask that because he can't tell. The author (Stephen P) responded to the question, opening with, "they're incredibly well made..." followed by his thoughts. I would like to have read that in the author's article. |
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16 January 2019, 02:54 AM | #97 |
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I read Hodinkee quite a lot, but don’t recall any truly critical articles. Maybe it’s been too long. Can someone reference a really critical Hodinkee article?
And I do browse through comments for entertainment purposes, but come on, you can’t really consider these anonymous online warriors to qualitatively represent the pulse of global watch consumers. Many will comment about watches that are not marketed to them—while I have no interest in the Richard Mille Candy line, my opinions are irrelevant. Notice that a lot of watch sites don’t even allow comments, or if they do, they heavily moderate them. That’s understandable, and probably for the best. |
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Its still not balanced because they omit something though. Reviews/week on the wrist etc seem to be geared toward stuff they like. Launch articles though or information posts are like the news to me... dont editorialize too much because its NOT a review. I think people wrongly expect them to interject an opinion into everything even when its watch "news." Two entirely different things.
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[QUOTE=SBC1986;9262358][QUOTE=tyler1980;9260098]if your "customer" is <20 years old though, that means you are putting all your marbles on being trendy and thats a dangerous position to be in with a very fickle demo. There is no way i would highlight that segment no matter if they were buying my watches or not and you definitely dont cater to them.
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CON The company is like the most beautiful family in the neighborhood, the parents are smiling, the children polite, the lawn is perfect. But, in fact, the father beats his children, cheats in his business, the mother cheats on him and the children steal to make pocket money. Grandparents know it, but prefer to be quiet to save appearances. Cons Very corrupted management. Top directors held total control and sell good stocks to grey market and earn themselves extra bucks in their wallet. They got rid and fired anyone who’s in their way or threatened to do so. Honest people would struggle to survive unless you become part of the corrupted group. When voiced out, you’ll end up knowing that everyone is involved in the black market. No system of anything set in place, no benefits, nothing is written. Nothing is prepared for you even on your first day. Contracts were ready months after joined. HR and managers never clearly understand employees benefits. No clear communication, standards or guidelines within the organisation. No standard of luxury in many aspects comparing to other luxury brands. No career path, training or development. Struggling to keep good employees and to search for good employees to join. People inside have been there a long time and couldn’t keep up with the development of the industry around and they’re against of anything new and insisted on being where they were. They don’t take responsibility or try to solve problems and only blame when problems arise. Extremely disorganised in terms of finance, no rules or compliance (even there is, top managers never follow for their own benefits). My first pay was few days delayed as the finance department forgot to pay until the whole team had to voice out. No health benefits for over three months. Advanced payments had to be made on many occasions and then claimed but not all things could be claimed but nobody ever provide guidelines on it. |
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16 January 2019, 03:06 AM | #100 | |
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Great points. Launch articles ARE news. And if I recall, they (and other blogs) typically follow-up SIHH and Basel with a summary article of what they really liked and didn’t like. They share a few opinions/takes then, though they admit there is/was A LOT to take in. Later in the year, they sometimes reflect back and realize their opinions have changed. |
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I couldn't agree with you more on everything you stated. He is fired up a bit but that's his personality and what makes him who he is. If he doesn't believe in their product then other people aren't going to believe it either nor even consider buying it. I do believe they should have refined the Royal Oak Offshore and make it more comfortable to wear as opposed to releasing new models but I have the ghost arriving tomorrow so obviously it isn't too bad!
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Whew, I didn't even imagine that a watch company management can be that bad. Managers "sell good stocks to grey market and earn themselves extra bucks in their wallet"? I hope other companies are better. |
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16 January 2019, 12:53 PM | #103 |
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Seems AP is starting to get the message the dials are crap; and have told journalists not to take full frontal only photos of the 11.59 pieces. Here's the what the Fratello article indicated:
"Journalists are asked by AP not to take a ‘frontal’ picture of this watch without showing the case band or lugs etc. That sounds a bit like confessing something is wrong with the watch." https://www.fratellowatches.com/sihh-2019-day-2-recap/ |
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Mr. Bennahmias's reaction to the bad publicities about Code 11:59
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16 January 2019, 10:48 PM | #106 |
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This thing is so F’ed up I can’t see how it will revive. The name alone is so stupid even if they remade the dials how can they recover.
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A new interview with Mr. Bennahmias. He's actually calling it "sh*tstorm".
It's quite fun to watch this 2-part interview: Pt. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS2S...&frags=pl%2Cwn Pt. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JAl...&frags=pl%2Cwn |
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I wonder how many of us who don't like the code 1159 are those who didn't like RO/ROO. It seems the idea is to market the watch not just to young people but to those who are not in love with RO/ROO yet. I asked several friends who are not part of this forum which one they would pick and most of them actually picked code 1159 over the RO or ROO. Of course the sample size is very small but I'm starting to understand where he's coming from.
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17 January 2019, 12:56 PM | #114 |
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Thanks for spilling my wine......
In all honesty... I don't HATE the design, but it would have been better if they released it in SS and a ~15k price tag. Also... who the hell cares that the applied logo took 2 years to perfect lmao. That doesn't define the watch |
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Case and movement are outstanding, but fail with the dial. Redesign likely on the horizon.
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17 January 2019, 01:26 PM | #118 |
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I see the dials and all I can think of is emporio armani watches. I do like the case though
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17 January 2019, 01:47 PM | #119 | |
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2 yrs.. makes sense when they’re working on it part time The values of our current AP’s just shot up! |
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17 January 2019, 01:48 PM | #120 |
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Another absolutely bizarre interview trying to save face against an avalanche of negative reception.
Seems the design was hammered out in a few hours after everyone was locked in room and couldn’t eat, drink, pee or shit until they came up with something. I reckon it all makes sense now. Hahahaha. |
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