Submariner to get the 3235 movement?

[HNS]

Howdy folks,

Concerning the rumors that the Sub may get the 3235 movement afer Basel World 2020 in late April, what usually happens to the resale value of let's say a 2019 Sub with the 3135 movement?


I would say that it would be logical that it will lose relative value unless Rolex increases the prices of the new model.

I just got a 116613LB a couple of months back, and was wondering if I should exchange it for the newer model later on?

all comments welcome.

[nightmyth]

My two watches with 32 series movements are not as good in terms of accuracy as what Rolex suggests compared to 3135. 3135 is still the tried and tested movement and some people will hesitate to buy a watch with the unproven 3235

[bumbershoot]

I’ve had both power reserves and notice zero different. To go through a hassle of getting maybe 22 extra hours or power reserve isn’t worth it. I’d probably be sleeping for half that extra time while it’s ticking down anyways.

If money doesn’t matter go for it... if it does who cares.

[hbombkid]

I would say the value will actually go up.

If the Sub got a new movement, new features etc and it remained in SS it will be impossible to get. Subs now are so hard to get at MSRP from an AD. Those older models people might be willing to sell but at a profit since they will be a little easier to get than the brand new model.

A couple years ago before the Daytona C came out the original could be found for under 10k from trusted sellers now look at the prices.

[herts9]

Heard there have been some vibration issues with the 3235 as well.

As far as power reserve, I could care less and I'm not go to shell out any extra $$$ to get a few more hours of ticking when I can just wear or wind the damn thing.

Different heart, same soul.

[jvb.nc]

i mean honestly let’s say they do put the new engine in a new submariner date.

it’ll take you a while to get unless you’re a mad VIP.

enjoy the watch you’ve got today; wear it and enjoy it in ten years. unless you’re rotating a large collection often, you’ll not notice the extra PR. and as above, it may take a while to settle in and get to being supremely accurate.

[mg Barcelona]

I like the extra power reserve. Now is Friday pm, I just put my DJ away and switched to an explorer, I will pick up the DJ again on Monday morning and it will be just fine.

[mgsooner]

I don't expect the six digit Subs to appreciate in value like the five digits (and prior) have, outside of perhaps the LV. However I do expect they will retain their value. It's difficult to say with certainty what will happen because we don't know what the case of the next generation of Subs will look like. If Rolex increases the size of the case then the six digit line could see some appreciation.

Outside of watch-knower-abouter circles I'm honestly not sure how much of a difference the movement inside of the watch really makes when it comes to the potential value. To the vast majority of potential buyers out there it is simply a Submariner, one of the most iconic watches ever made.

[iatacs19]

Originally Posted by mg Barcelona

I like the extra power reserve. Now is Friday pm, I just put my DJ away and switched to an explorer, I will pick up the DJ again on Monday morning and it will be just fine.

Exactly, if you rotate between timepieces, the extra day of power reserve is a very nice benefit.

[Macnavara]

Originally Posted by HNS

Howdy folks,

Concerning the rumors that the Sub may get the 3235 movement afer Basel World 2020 in late April, what usually happens to the resale value of let's say a 2019 Sub with the 3135 movement?


I would say that it would be logical that it will lose relative value unless Rolex increases the prices of the new model.

I just got a 116613LB a couple of months back, and was wondering if I should exchange it for the newer model later on?

all comments welcome.

[Roddypeepa]

Depends what happens to the case id say. In short/medium term, if case identical then value down slightly on new values a la deep sea change.

If visually different case then slight increase on newly discontinued models vs new but they’ll be like hen’s teeth.

If new one looks like a 5 digit style or something different then it’ll go crackers a la Pepsi ceramic.

In long term who knows?

IMO it’s all about the case.

My dream is they’ll discontinue the no date and I’ll be fucking quids in.


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[mgsooner]

Ha! You and me both, brother.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by HNS

Howdy folks,
I just got a 116613LB a couple of months back, and was wondering if I should exchange it for the newer model later on?

You have to sell it whilst you still can, after Basel it will be outdated and you loose all your investment money

[mg Barcelona]

the sooner Rolex move away from the super case the better. Don't care about resale value or "we will appreciate it in the future" It is not a balanced design. Porsche 996 of the 911 range.

[904VT]

Usually discontinued models will increase rather than decrease. We're a fickle bunch i bet the 3135 Subs will be considered "classics" and highly demanded because of the most proven (and dare I say most famous) Rolex movement in history (3135).

The 3235s do have some issues being worked out still, so for that reason I have a feeling we won't see any Sub updates quite yet, at least in current metals. IMO 2020 will bring if any Sub updates, a new Platinum Sub or perhaps even more interesting a RG Sub with brown bezel inlay and chocolate sunburst dial (a la PP Nautilus) . Then next year will be the Explorer 2 update for its anniversary and maybe by 2022 we'll see new YG, WG, and TT movements added to the Subs when the economy slows fully and followed by the SS in 2023-2025 to round out the range and updates.

But that's just all a dream I had, I know nothing I tell you

[RTG]

Originally Posted by HNS

Howdy folks,

Concerning the rumors that the Sub may get the 3235 movement afer Basel World 2020 in late April, what usually happens to the resale value of let's say a 2019 Sub with the 3135 movement?


I would say that it would be logical that it will lose relative value unless Rolex increases the prices of the new model.

I just got a 116613LB a couple of months back, and was wondering if I should exchange it for the newer model later on?

Welcome to the forum! The 116613LB is gorgeous. Congratulations.

Rolex could release a new Submariner this year or in ten years. If a new model came out now, imagine how hard it will be to get the first year(s). There is also no telling what models will be available. Look at the GMT line. SS, White Gold and Rose Gold. Yellow gold got the hook. All black got the hook. First Sub could be platinum for all we know. I wouldn't give yours up unless you had a sure thing.

My .02: If you like your Bluesy then enjoy the hell out of it.

[mgsooner]

Of note: the case of the Submariner stayed virtually unchanged for a period of 47 years. Keep that in mind.

[Scott Cali]

The super case and maxi dial are not going anywhere, new movement will happen eventually, new PM's models makes sense...could possibly see them increasing the size but with the Explorer II and the Sea Dweller not sure that makes sense, the YM comes in multiple sizes so who knows.

[DoctorSpazz]

Originally Posted by Roddypeepa

Depends what happens to the case id say. In short/medium term, if case identical then value down slightly on new values a la deep sea change.

If visually different case then slight increase on newly discontinued models vs new but they’ll be like hen’s teeth.

If new one looks like a 5 digit style or something different then it’ll go crackers a la Pepsi ceramic.

In long term who knows?

IMO it’s all about the case.

My dream is they’ll discontinue the no date and I’ll be fucking quids in.


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Why would they discontinue the no date ?


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[HNS]

Thank you all ... very helpful comments ... I love the bluesy, I actually "upgraded" from a SS Sub () because I like the colors and their contrast.

I don't mind the supercase either, I'm not a traditionalist and I have a large wrist, So it sits nicely on my arm.

Whether I'd be able to get a new sub or not, I really don't know, it's not easy here in Switzerland either, but probably it's easier than in the US or in Europe. I suspect that it will take sometime before the alleged new Subs with the 3235 movement will roll out after Baselworld anyway.

I read many articles about the difference between the 3135 and the 3235 movements, pros and cons and all, and given that the 3135 was in production for a long time, it would be impossible - 10 or 20 years down the line - not find spare parts.

I always like to take opinions on board before deciding

Thanks and cheers

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by HNS

Howdy folks,

Concerning the rumors that the Sub may get the 3235 movement afer Basel World 2020 in late April, what usually happens to the resale value of let's say a 2019 Sub with the 3135 movement?


I would say that it would be logical that it will lose relative value unless Rolex increases the prices of the new model.

I just got a 116613LB a couple of months back, and was wondering if I should exchange it for the newer model later on?

all comments welcome.

Submariner will not loose any value even if there wont be any price increase!

Current Submariner is only 10 years old and I dont believe that there will be a case update which is unlikely.

Even if there will be a case update it will be a very small update and it again wont loose any value.

Think about the SD 16600...There were 2 more different cases after that...Did they loose any value? It will be the same with the Sub.

But I can not say it for the old GMTs or current Batman (with the release of coke maybe)...

Buying the same watch with a different movement will make you loose more money than keeping it.

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

Of note: the case of the Submariner stayed virtually unchanged for a period of 47 years. Keep that in mind.

47 years? You mean 10 years? The current SS Sub was released in 2010, and the first ever ceramic sub was intoruced at the end of the year 2008.

Older versions Subs has nothing similar with the current one.

[mg Barcelona]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

47 years? You mean 10 years? The current SS Sub was released in 2010, and the first ever ceramic sub was intoruced at the end of the year 2008.

Older versions Subs has nothing similar with the current one.

agree, we are 10 years into this square abomination.

[Rori]

Yes, the 3235 is coming to the sub, that should be considered a natural move by Rolex side. It would be a surprise not to make that change.

Originally Posted by HNS

Howdy folks,

Concerning the rumors that the Sub may get the 3235 movement afer Basel World 2020 in late April, what usually happens to the resale value of let's say a 2019 Sub with the 3135 movement?


I would say that it would be logical that it will lose relative value unless Rolex increases the prices of the new model.

I just got a 116613LB a couple of months back, and was wondering if I should exchange it for the newer model later on?

all comments welcome.

[mgsooner]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

47 years? You mean 10 years? The current SS Sub was released in 2010, and the first ever ceramic sub was intoruced at the end of the year 2008.

Older versions Subs has nothing similar with the current one.

Originally Posted by mg Barcelona

agree, we are 10 years into this square abomination.

Really you could go back to the 5512 and make it 50 years without any change in the case design to speak of because the 5512 and 5513 are so similar. So what I'm saying is from the 5512 to the ceramic there was a 50 year period without a change in the case design. Why then is there such a common assumption on this forum that there will be a change in the case design in 2020 when we're only 11-12 years into the current design?

[Nikrnic]

My SubC winds smoother and than my new DJ41 so the only advantage I see is the power reserve which means nothing to me as I'm usually rotating and resetting all the time anyway. Im sure it will be hot news when it comes out. Value wise just like any Sub is and will continue to be. I'd be surprised if the proportions change and it becomes a whole new model, if so then the 114060 will probably start creeping up like 14060s just do to being out of production.

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[2nastie]

Similar to another post I responded to...

This isn't a new car or phone, newer is not always better. If you want to talk value, historically out going Rolex models are worth more than current produced one.

Enjoy the now and abandon the what ifs. What if they discontinue the TT Sub?

[seasubmariner]

Originally Posted by mgsooner

Really you could go back to the 5512 and make it 50 years without any change in the case design to speak of because the 5512 and 5513 are so similar. So what I'm saying is from the 5512 to the ceramic there was a 50 year period without a change in the case design. Why then is there such a common assumption on this forum that there will be a change in the case design in 2020 when we're only 11-12 years into the current design?

Okay I got your point.

In regards to the fear of case change.....I call this situation 'Panic selling' :))) which will cause more loss in the long run...

Look at Kermit's and old SD prices....They were sold only for 4K brand new....Did the keepers loose anything?

[Calatrava r]

Added PR to me is unimportant. Nothing to setting a Rolex watch. I would keep the one you have. From reports I have read, the older movement is easier to work on, which could become an issue if the watch becomes an heirloom for your family.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by seasubmariner

47 years? You mean 10 years? The current SS Sub was released in 2010, and the first ever ceramic sub was intoruced at the end of the year 2008.

Older versions Subs has nothing similar with the current one.

Originally Posted by mg Barcelona

agree, we are 10 years into this square abomination.

The originals, such as 6204s had rectangular design shapes that aren't all too different than 6 digits. And maxi dials while later, were around even on 5513s, so I don't think as as much a deviation from the earlier Subs as the masses feel.