Sunk the Red Sub……

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by TimRolex

So far, it appears you're right, the majority do agree with you...by a VERY small margin: 14-13 (speaking of "making assumptions about the broader group..."). By the way, I started counting at your first post, since you were the first who thought it a good idea to greet a new member looking for advice about a damaged watch with a personal attack and insult (again, well done on that).

Another area where you're correct: everyone else who thinks its a bad idea to swim with a vintage watch "have NOT ripped into the OP...", but you DID. Stop trying to act like you're some internet hero saving others from the same mistake by being a dick. You could have just as easily accomplished that like others have in this thread: by being sorry for the OP, and explaining why you feel it was a mistake without making OP feel like a schmuck.

Every time you post in this thread you reveal yourself to be more and more unlikeable. But please, by all means, continue.

This is what I wrote

"jesus

why did you go swimming with a red sub..... expensive lesson"

yes, must be really offensive - I will tailor my post in the future for your delicate eyes so we can all move on

[TimRolex]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

This is what I wrote

"jesus

why did you go swimming with a red sub..... expensive lesson"

yes, must be really offensive - I will tailor my post in the future for your delicate eyes so we can all move on

I know exactly what you wrote. You just proved what I thought all along: you don't read the posts you're responding to. If you did, you'd know you don't have to tell me what you said...I quoted you several posts ago. Wow.

And in fact, I would imagine it IS offensive to the person to whom you were directing your ignorant bullshit comment. Again (I seriously don't know why I have to explain this point to you so many times...maybe the Fosters has done some real damage), the OP was not asking for your uneducated opinion on whether he should have gone swimming with his red sub. You interjected with a rude and unsolicited attack on OP. If you can't understand how your comment essentially reads "OP, you're stupid for swimming with a watch I would never dare swim with because I'm too poor to make a mistake but much smarter than you" then you really ought to reconsider commenting on future posts.

You don't have to worry about my delicate eyes. I'm not the one you offended. OP still hasn't been back though...but his three posts on this forum were much more valuable than any of the bullshit you've posted since joining.

I'm done. You're free to have the last word.

[Fleetlord]

Originally Posted by highcotton

Okay, so everybody agrees you should not swim with a red sub. What is the year model sub that is safe to swim with? Red writing = no swim, matte dial = no swim, tritium dial dial = no swim, gilt dial = no swim. Just to be safe it it says Rolex = no swim.

Sapphire models are supposedly safer.

[Paul_I]

Wishing you the best of luck.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by TimRolex

I know exactly what you wrote. You just proved what I thought all along: you don't read the posts you're responding to. If you did, you'd know you don't have to tell me what you said...I quoted you several posts ago. Wow.

And in fact, I would imagine it IS offensive to the person to whom you were directing your ignorant bullshit comment. Again (I seriously don't know why I have to explain this point to you so many times...maybe the Fosters has done some real damage), the OP was not asking for your uneducated opinion on whether he should have gone swimming with his red sub. You interjected with a rude and unsolicited attack on OP. If you can't understand how your comment essentially reads "OP, you're stupid for swimming with a watch I would never dare swim with because I'm too poor to make a mistake but much smarter than you" then you really ought to reconsider commenting on future posts.

You don't have to worry about my delicate eyes. I'm not the one you offended. OP still hasn't been back though...but his three posts on this forum were much more valuable than any of the bullshit you've posted since joining.

I'm done. You're free to have the last word.

haha of course, going into personal attacks now, of course you would...

Show some class, your posts have only shown how obnoxious you are, making sweeping statements over and over again.. clearly you just wanted to have a pissing contest.

First i'm poor, then i'm adopted, then i'm ignorant.. how do you feel typing out these attacks behind a computer screen? Do you feel powerful? lol

Good job making a fool of yourself again

Btw, have your realised no one else has said my original response was "rude and unsolicited attack" on the OP... get a grip of yourself.

[PeterWM]

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow - though by the sounds of it it could be a while. The face has been sent for repainting to HongKong and Jedly plus a a terrific watchmaker I visited in Melbourne are on the bench. Happy to pass on names if you drop me a note - if they are OK with it, I'll publish their names as the repair progresses. The project seems simple in idea - fix face and replace the heart from a second hand sourced 1575 movement. So I guess the hunt is on. If there are ideas where to look I'd be very grateful - I want to join in the fix as I'm able, but appreciate Jedly and others will be well ahead of me the amateur. Still repair and renovation (of larger items) is very much in my range of interests - so I want to be able to fully appreciate the favours being done by pitching in.

I wasn't expecting the thread to become a discussion about outlook and risk appreciation please don't misunderstand I've enjoyed it - next to repair I like to re-taste the flavour of what I'm doing and how I got there by just these sorts of discussions.

Here's the background and something about the circumstances that get the Red Sub here. I bought the watch as a 21st birthday present to myself. It cost me $223 New Zealand (110 Pounds) - purchased by a friend I played in a band with; while he was visiting Germany ( I'm a drummer of course - low talent much noise) I put the money in his pocket and asked him to look out for one for me. He was away 7 months and maybe it was a risk - but I don't think so.

You see I like my "things" to have a life and come with a story. Just like dogs and horses some machinery has a life of their own - a perceptible character - the Red Sub is certainly one of those. The cost was 5 weeks of my builder's labourers pay ( Before tax) so it hurt some, but not to wincing.

The idea to own a Rolex sort of came from my father - Norman. He volunteered early into World War II and carried a Rolex from Egypt - Africa through Tobruk till he ran out of luck ( along with a lot of others ) in Italy on the way into Monte Casino Station. He only lost the watch there. He thought it the finest machinery he had ever owned but never replaced it. That idea that ther is intrinsic goodness in machinery stuck. It was also unknown as a watch where I lived ( this was well before brands were understood) I was a kid in a town of 3400 with a little secret - something I knew was really really good (NOT obviously valuable just quietly good).

After that wait for delivery - till I was nearly 22, then we did some real growing up together climbed, hiked, surfed, dived, tramped, hunted, worked farms, drove trucks, played music, got educated. And Yes Jedly is right...... every day from when I first received it..... it's been in the water. What annoys me ( only about myself)is I've done 44 years and never let him down. I'm good with the care of animals, machinery and people and it would be unusual to miss caring for any of them so it hurs when I do. Though not everybody loves these watches - my wife told me to get rid of it... too chunky - clunky and as well it was awkward when lying down .... well you can guess... The Red Sub has been everywhere

With good gear - reliable, well made and built to take the load, comfortably competent in what they do - these items develop a real patina - some part of the character rubs off both ways. I get another small reliable heart beat on my left wrist. The Sub comes along - everywhere. It's the same with good tools, shoes, boots and saddles. We are left free in one another's company to just let the sum of the characters and experience build up.

I guess here's the heart of what I think about possessions and good things. There are many classes of valuable; some co-incide with the purchase price - not always though. Items can be made and recovered and re-purposed some unloved items are very valuable but don't meet the Auction's House current notion of valuable or pointed. To me value builds with work and reliability, comfort and patina - beauty is in there, but tends to toddle in on it's own. I don't think I ever saw $ directly determine value in my eyes without all of the above items. It will be a surprise ( maybe not) to some but I didn't know what a Red Sub was till reading the Rolexforums. But I certainly sure it was a very well built machine friend. Would I have preferred that it didn't happen - of course; who would put a friend through a car crash, do I mind now that I know the patient will survive? I've got the benefit of those whom I've met on the way it's a real plus - maybe I'd have preferred not.... but .......

So I guess there will be less trade-able value in this particular Rolex; but if it is to have the full share of character and the High Values that are character investments ...... values that are well deserved by a very well made item it's going back on my arm and to work ... ( It also gets the double crown lock check each morning - I do learn....)

Eventually the Red Sub will go to one of the kids probably Sarah - the eldest daughter who will get the story too, then my friend can look forward to another 40 years of engineering this time in recombinant DNA ... maybe it will have another accident and be fully fixed then go on again.... the stories build up - certainly Jedly is young enough .....
Peter

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by PeterWM

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow - though by the sounds of it it could be a while. The face has been sent for repainting to HongKong and Jedly plus a a terrific watchmaker I visited in Melbourne are on the bench. Happy to pass on names if you drop me a note - if they are OK with it, I'll publish their names as the repair progresses. The project seems simple in idea - fix face and replace the heart from a second hand sourced 1575 movement. So I guess the hunt is on. If there are ideas where to look I'd be very grateful - I want to join in the fix as I'm able, but appreciate Jedly and others will be well ahead of me the amateur. Still repair and renovation (of larger items) is very much in my range of interests - so I want to be able to fully appreciate the favours being done by pitching in.

I wasn't expecting the thread to become a discussion about outlook and risk appreciation please don't misunderstand I've enjoyed it - next to repair I like to re-taste the flavour of what I'm doing and how I got there by just these sorts of discussions.

Here's the background and something about the circumstances that get the Red Sub here. I bought the watch as a 21st birthday present to myself. It cost me $223 New Zealand (110 Pounds) - purchased by a friend I played in a band with; while he was visiting Germany ( I'm a drummer of course - low talent much noise) I put the money in his pocket and asked him to look out for one for me. He was away 7 months and maybe it was a risk - but I don't think so.

You see I like my "things" to have a life and come with a story. Just like dogs and horses some machinery has a life of their own - a perceptible character - the Red Sub is certainly one of those. The cost was 5 weeks of my builder's labourers pay ( Before tax) so it hurt some, but not to wincing.

The idea to own a Rolex sort of came from my father - Norman. He volunteered early into World War II and carried a Rolex from Egypt - Africa through Tobruk till he ran out of luck ( along with a lot of others ) in Italy on the way into Monte Casino Station. He only lost the watch there. He thought it the finest machinery he had ever owned but never replaced it. That idea that ther is intrinsic goodness in machinery stuck. It was also unknown as a watch where I lived ( this was well before brands were understood) I was a kid in a town of 3400 with a little secret - something I knew was really really good (NOT obviously valuable just quietly good).

After that wait for delivery - till I was nearly 22, then we did some real growing up together climbed, hiked, surfed, dived, tramped, hunted, worked farms, drove trucks, played music, got educated. And Yes Jedly is right...... every day from when I first received it..... it's been in the water. What annoys me ( only about myself)is I've done 44 years and never let him down. I'm good with the care of animals, machinery and people and it would be unusual to miss caring for any of them so it hurs when I do. Though not everybody loves these watches - my wife told me to get rid of it... too chunky - clunky and as well it was awkward when lying down .... well you can guess... The Red Sub has been everywhere

With good gear - reliable, well made and built to take the load, comfortably competent in what they do - these items develop a real patina - some part of the character rubs off both ways. I get another small reliable heart beat on my left wrist. The Sub comes along - everywhere. It's the same with good tools, shoes, boots and saddles. We are left free in one another's company to just let the sum of the characters and experience build up.

I guess here's the heart of what I think about possessions and good things. There are many classes of valuable; some co-incide with the purchase price - not always though. Items can be made and recovered and re-purposed some unloved items are very valuable but don't meet the Auction's House current notion of valuable or pointed. To me value builds with work and reliability, comfort and patina - beauty is in there, but tends to toddle in on it's own. I don't think I ever saw $ directly determine value in my eyes without all of the above items. It will be a surprise ( maybe not) to some but I didn't know what a Red Sub was till reading the Rolexforums. But I certainly sure it was a very well built machine friend. Would I have preferred that it didn't happen - of course; who would put a friend through a car crash, do I mind now that I know the patient will survive? I've got the benefit of those whom I've met on the way it's a real plus - maybe I'd have preferred not.... but .......

So I guess there will be less trade-able value in this particular Rolex; but if it is to have the full share of character and the High Values that are character investments ...... values that are well deserved by a very well made item it's going back on my arm and to work ... ( It also gets the double crown lock check each morning - I do learn....)

Eventually the Red Sub will go to one of the kids probably Sarah - the eldest daughter who will get the story too, then my friend can look forward to another 40 years of engineering this time in recombinant DNA ... maybe it will have another accident and be fully fixed then go on again.... the stories build up - certainly Jedly is young enough .....
Peter

Thanks so much for sharing, Peter. That was wonderful.
It's a shame this thread took a turn for the childish with some members.

[RJC1]

Originally Posted by PeterWM

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow ...........

Great story!!

[wearl]

very nice story Peter, a pleasure to read some of your story and philosophy on life

[RMC12]

Originally Posted by PeterWM

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow - though by the sounds of it it could be a while. The face has been sent for repainting to HongKong and Jedly plus a a terrific watchmaker I visited in Melbourne are on the bench. Happy to pass on names if you drop me a note - if they are OK with it, I'll publish their names as the repair progresses. The project seems simple in idea - fix face and replace the heart from a second hand sourced 1575 movement. So I guess the hunt is on. If there are ideas where to look I'd be very grateful - I want to join in the fix as I'm able, but appreciate Jedly and others will be well ahead of me the amateur. Still repair and renovation (of larger items) is very much in my range of interests - so I want to be able to fully appreciate the favours being done by pitching in.

I wasn't expecting the thread to become a discussion about outlook and risk appreciation please don't misunderstand I've enjoyed it - next to repair I like to re-taste the flavour of what I'm doing and how I got there by just these sorts of discussions.

Here's the background and something about the circumstances that get the Red Sub here. I bought the watch as a 21st birthday present to myself. It cost me $223 New Zealand (110 Pounds) - purchased by a friend I played in a band with; while he was visiting Germany ( I'm a drummer of course - low talent much noise) I put the money in his pocket and asked him to look out for one for me. He was away 7 months and maybe it was a risk - but I don't think so.

You see I like my "things" to have a life and come with a story. Just like dogs and horses some machinery has a life of their own - a perceptible character - the Red Sub is certainly one of those. The cost was 5 weeks of my builder's labourers pay ( Before tax) so it hurt some, but not to wincing.

The idea to own a Rolex sort of came from my father - Norman. He volunteered early into World War II and carried a Rolex from Egypt - Africa through Tobruk till he ran out of luck ( along with a lot of others ) in Italy on the way into Monte Casino Station. He only lost the watch there. He thought it the finest machinery he had ever owned but never replaced it. That idea that ther is intrinsic goodness in machinery stuck. It was also unknown as a watch where I lived ( this was well before brands were understood) I was a kid in a town of 3400 with a little secret - something I knew was really really good (NOT obviously valuable just quietly good).

After that wait for delivery - till I was nearly 22, then we did some real growing up together climbed, hiked, surfed, dived, tramped, hunted, worked farms, drove trucks, played music, got educated. And Yes Jedly is right...... every day from when I first received it..... it's been in the water. What annoys me ( only about myself)is I've done 44 years and never let him down. I'm good with the care of animals, machinery and people and it would be unusual to miss caring for any of them so it hurs when I do. Though not everybody loves these watches - my wife told me to get rid of it... too chunky - clunky and as well it was awkward when lying down .... well you can guess... The Red Sub has been everywhere

With good gear - reliable, well made and built to take the load, comfortably competent in what they do - these items develop a real patina - some part of the character rubs off both ways. I get another small reliable heart beat on my left wrist. The Sub comes along - everywhere. It's the same with good tools, shoes, boots and saddles. We are left free in one another's company to just let the sum of the characters and experience build up.

I guess here's the heart of what I think about possessions and good things. There are many classes of valuable; some co-incide with the purchase price - not always though. Items can be made and recovered and re-purposed some unloved items are very valuable but don't meet the Auction's House current notion of valuable or pointed. To me value builds with work and reliability, comfort and patina - beauty is in there, but tends to toddle in on it's own. I don't think I ever saw $ directly determine value in my eyes without all of the above items. It will be a surprise ( maybe not) to some but I didn't know what a Red Sub was till reading the Rolexforums. But I certainly sure it was a very well built machine friend. Would I have preferred that it didn't happen - of course; who would put a friend through a car crash, do I mind now that I know the patient will survive? I've got the benefit of those whom I've met on the way it's a real plus - maybe I'd have preferred not.... but .......

So I guess there will be less trade-able value in this particular Rolex; but if it is to have the full share of character and the High Values that are character investments ...... values that are well deserved by a very well made item it's going back on my arm and to work ... ( It also gets the double crown lock check each morning - I do learn....)

Eventually the Red Sub will go to one of the kids probably Sarah - the eldest daughter who will get the story too, then my friend can look forward to another 40 years of engineering this time in recombinant DNA ... maybe it will have another accident and be fully fixed then go on again.... the stories build up - certainly Jedly is young enough .....
Peter

GREAT post. I really enjoyed reading your story and it makes me wish I knew the full history of my 40 year old Red Sub.

I hope you get it back to your satisfaction and the restoration works out. Looking forward to the finished pics.

[scooba]

Originally Posted by PeterWM

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow - though by the sounds of it it could be a while. The face has been sent for repainting to HongKong and Jedly plus a a terrific watchmaker I visited in Melbourne are on the bench. Happy to pass on names if you drop me a note - if they are OK with it, I'll publish their names as the repair progresses. The project seems simple in idea - fix face and replace the heart from a second hand sourced 1575 movement. So I guess the hunt is on. If there are ideas where to look I'd be very grateful - I want to join in the fix as I'm able, but appreciate Jedly and others will be well ahead of me the amateur. Still repair and renovation (of larger items) is very much in my range of interests - so I want to be able to fully appreciate the favours being done by pitching in.

I wasn't expecting the thread to become a discussion about outlook and risk appreciation please don't misunderstand I've enjoyed it - next to repair I like to re-taste the flavour of what I'm doing and how I got there by just these sorts of discussions.

Here's the background and something about the circumstances that get the Red Sub here. I bought the watch as a 21st birthday present to myself. It cost me $223 New Zealand (110 Pounds) - purchased by a friend I played in a band with; while he was visiting Germany ( I'm a drummer of course - low talent much noise) I put the money in his pocket and asked him to look out for one for me. He was away 7 months and maybe it was a risk - but I don't think so.

You see I like my "things" to have a life and come with a story. Just like dogs and horses some machinery has a life of their own - a perceptible character - the Red Sub is certainly one of those. The cost was 5 weeks of my builder's labourers pay ( Before tax) so it hurt some, but not to wincing.

The idea to own a Rolex sort of came from my father - Norman. He volunteered early into World War II and carried a Rolex from Egypt - Africa through Tobruk till he ran out of luck ( along with a lot of others ) in Italy on the way into Monte Casino Station. He only lost the watch there. He thought it the finest machinery he had ever owned but never replaced it. That idea that ther is intrinsic goodness in machinery stuck. It was also unknown as a watch where I lived ( this was well before brands were understood) I was a kid in a town of 3400 with a little secret - something I knew was really really good (NOT obviously valuable just quietly good).

After that wait for delivery - till I was nearly 22, then we did some real growing up together climbed, hiked, surfed, dived, tramped, hunted, worked farms, drove trucks, played music, got educated. And Yes Jedly is right...... every day from when I first received it..... it's been in the water. What annoys me ( only about myself)is I've done 44 years and never let him down. I'm good with the care of animals, machinery and people and it would be unusual to miss caring for any of them so it hurs when I do. Though not everybody loves these watches - my wife told me to get rid of it... too chunky - clunky and as well it was awkward when lying down .... well you can guess... The Red Sub has been everywhere

With good gear - reliable, well made and built to take the load, comfortably competent in what they do - these items develop a real patina - some part of the character rubs off both ways. I get another small reliable heart beat on my left wrist. The Sub comes along - everywhere. It's the same with good tools, shoes, boots and saddles. We are left free in one another's company to just let the sum of the characters and experience build up.

I guess here's the heart of what I think about possessions and good things. There are many classes of valuable; some co-incide with the purchase price - not always though. Items can be made and recovered and re-purposed some unloved items are very valuable but don't meet the Auction's House current notion of valuable or pointed. To me value builds with work and reliability, comfort and patina - beauty is in there, but tends to toddle in on it's own. I don't think I ever saw $ directly determine value in my eyes without all of the above items. It will be a surprise ( maybe not) to some but I didn't know what a Red Sub was till reading the Rolexforums. But I certainly sure it was a very well built machine friend. Would I have preferred that it didn't happen - of course; who would put a friend through a car crash, do I mind now that I know the patient will survive? I've got the benefit of those whom I've met on the way it's a real plus - maybe I'd have preferred not.... but .......

So I guess there will be less trade-able value in this particular Rolex; but if it is to have the full share of character and the High Values that are character investments ...... values that are well deserved by a very well made item it's going back on my arm and to work ... ( It also gets the double crown lock check each morning - I do learn....)

Eventually the Red Sub will go to one of the kids probably Sarah - the eldest daughter who will get the story too, then my friend can look forward to another 40 years of engineering this time in recombinant DNA ... maybe it will have another accident and be fully fixed then go on again.... the stories build up - certainly Jedly is young enough .....
Peter

Hi Peter ,

Thanks for the update ,thanks to Sir Jed for his help as well , This has been my favourite post in ages , Genuinely gutted about the damage to your watch but glad it is now being repaired , Reference a new movement have you looked on Vintage Rolex Market ?

[PeterWM]

Thanks scooba no I haven't till now. It gets difficult filtering through those that are real recyclers and those running just a shop front. I had skipped past these guys. Thanks for the reminder.

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[Gliderguy]

Words of wisdom. Really enjoyed. Thanks for sharing.

[PeterWM]

Cheers.

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[ILuvSubs]

Great story about your watch Peter

Its obvious the value to you far exceeds any monetary or collectable value. I'm glad fellow TRFers were able to assist you and I look forward to hearing how you progress with its repair.

I love how the Red Sub has been a key part of your life and best of luck with getting it back working on your wrist again

[Man Of Breiz]

Peter, did you find a movement to use for the repair? Is you sub back on your wrist ?
If possible it would be greatly to have pics or the repair.


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[shedlock2000]

What a tragic and euphoric story of heartbreak and restoration (figuratively and literally).

I was really moved by the journey this watch and this man shared together -- and the forecasting of future adventures to be encountered. What a life for a watch to lead; what a watch to share a life with.

I'm absolutely thrilled that good and skilled people have come together to help Peter recover his 'friend's' condition.

In some ways, don't we all want our watches to be part of our journey? I worry (a bit) about my 16753 and how it's able to resist my (not so tender) life, but -- even though it's new to me -- a journey has to start somewhere.

I do look forward to reading Peter's well written and compelling posts, and I very much hope that the next one contains a photo of him swimming with his red sub (crown well screwed down and new crystal installed). From what Peter has said, it seems that experiences are more important to him that financial value. We may not all agree on that, but it's his watch and I very much respect his desire to go through life with his watch on his wrist. Frankly, Peter, I rather like the cut of your jib!

Please post soon to update us on your friend's return to good health.


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[scooba]

I noticed this thread was back up , I also was hoping for a update from Peter , fingers crossed it has ended well

[the_natural]

I always want to be most like the one-watch men (I guess I'm assuming a bit in Peter's case since I don't know for sure), who treat their Rolex well, but as a tool and ever-present friend, not a safe queen or a piece of art to hang on the wall. #goals

[Robbyvm]

How an interesting restoration post can turn into a infantile discussion....

Let everyone decide for himself
to swim with his vintage watch or not
to race his vintage care or not
to let his kids ride on their bicycles to school or not
...


risk is something you assess and then you decide.

In this case there was no risk assessment simply a human error

Please keep us informed of the process Peter and good luck !

[eliu908]

Good luck on the repair. If it was me, I would try to get the dial refurbished and throw a new movement in there. This story adds to the story of the watch!!! It's like chapter 2 now.

[nigelwright]

Any updates?

Thanks.

[indianmachine]

lol nice 5 year bump...I would be curious to hear updates as well.

[Sglass]

Originally Posted by PeterWM

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow - though by the sounds of it it could be a while. The face has been sent for repainting to HongKong and Jedly plus a a terrific watchmaker I visited in Melbourne are on the bench. Happy to pass on names if you drop me a note - if they are OK with it, I'll publish their names as the repair progresses. The project seems simple in idea - fix face and replace the heart from a second hand sourced 1575 movement. So I guess the hunt is on. If there are ideas where to look I'd be very grateful - I want to join in the fix as I'm able, but appreciate Jedly and others will be well ahead of me the amateur. Still repair and renovation (of larger items) is very much in my range of interests - so I want to be able to fully appreciate the favours being done by pitching in.

I wasn't expecting the thread to become a discussion about outlook and risk appreciation please don't misunderstand I've enjoyed it - next to repair I like to re-taste the flavour of what I'm doing and how I got there by just these sorts of discussions.

Here's the background and something about the circumstances that get the Red Sub here. I bought the watch as a 21st birthday present to myself. It cost me $223 New Zealand (110 Pounds) - purchased by a friend I played in a band with; while he was visiting Germany ( I'm a drummer of course - low talent much noise) I put the money in his pocket and asked him to look out for one for me. He was away 7 months and maybe it was a risk - but I don't think so.

You see I like my "things" to have a life and come with a story. Just like dogs and horses some machinery has a life of their own - a perceptible character - the Red Sub is certainly one of those. The cost was 5 weeks of my builder's labourers pay ( Before tax) so it hurt some, but not to wincing.

The idea to own a Rolex sort of came from my father - Norman. He volunteered early into World War II and carried a Rolex from Egypt - Africa through Tobruk till he ran out of luck ( along with a lot of others ) in Italy on the way into Monte Casino Station. He only lost the watch there. He thought it the finest machinery he had ever owned but never replaced it. That idea that ther is intrinsic goodness in machinery stuck. It was also unknown as a watch where I lived ( this was well before brands were understood) I was a kid in a town of 3400 with a little secret - something I knew was really really good (NOT obviously valuable just quietly good).

After that wait for delivery - till I was nearly 22, then we did some real growing up together climbed, hiked, surfed, dived, tramped, hunted, worked farms, drove trucks, played music, got educated. And Yes Jedly is right...... every day from when I first received it..... it's been in the water. What annoys me ( only about myself)is I've done 44 years and never let him down. I'm good with the care of animals, machinery and people and it would be unusual to miss caring for any of them so it hurs when I do. Though not everybody loves these watches - my wife told me to get rid of it... too chunky - clunky and as well it was awkward when lying down .... well you can guess... The Red Sub has been everywhere

With good gear - reliable, well made and built to take the load, comfortably competent in what they do - these items develop a real patina - some part of the character rubs off both ways. I get another small reliable heart beat on my left wrist. The Sub comes along - everywhere. It's the same with good tools, shoes, boots and saddles. We are left free in one another's company to just let the sum of the characters and experience build up.

I guess here's the heart of what I think about possessions and good things. There are many classes of valuable; some co-incide with the purchase price - not always though. Items can be made and recovered and re-purposed some unloved items are very valuable but don't meet the Auction's House current notion of valuable or pointed. To me value builds with work and reliability, comfort and patina - beauty is in there, but tends to toddle in on it's own. I don't think I ever saw $ directly determine value in my eyes without all of the above items. It will be a surprise ( maybe not) to some but I didn't know what a Red Sub was till reading the Rolexforums. But I certainly sure it was a very well built machine friend. Would I have preferred that it didn't happen - of course; who would put a friend through a car crash, do I mind now that I know the patient will survive? I've got the benefit of those whom I've met on the way it's a real plus - maybe I'd have preferred not.... but .......

So I guess there will be less trade-able value in this particular Rolex; but if it is to have the full share of character and the High Values that are character investments ...... values that are well deserved by a very well made item it's going back on my arm and to work ... ( It also gets the double crown lock check each morning - I do learn....)

Eventually the Red Sub will go to one of the kids probably Sarah - the eldest daughter who will get the story too, then my friend can look forward to another 40 years of engineering this time in recombinant DNA ... maybe it will have another accident and be fully fixed then go on again.... the stories build up - certainly Jedly is young enough .....
Peter

Just reread this story and man is it good. A tool watch worn as it should be, for the story and not tracking Chrono24 for the current value. This was the pick me up I needed on the forum today versus another post griping about how nobody can get a SS Daytona!

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by indianmachine

lol nice 5 year bump...I would be curious to hear updates as well.

Indeed

I’m curious how Peter’s restoration project turned out as well

[MrGoat]

Originally Posted by PeterWM

Well it appears the repair of the Red Sub is now underway. I'm very grateful for the support and introductions from the forum - many have already borne fruit and I'm sure the Red Sub projects will have PIX to follow - though by the sounds of it it could be a while. The face has been sent for repainting to HongKong and Jedly plus a a terrific watchmaker I visited in Melbourne are on the bench. Happy to pass on names if you drop me a note - if they are OK with it, I'll publish their names as the repair progresses. The project seems simple in idea - fix face and replace the heart from a second hand sourced 1575 movement. So I guess the hunt is on. If there are ideas where to look I'd be very grateful - I want to join in the fix as I'm able, but appreciate Jedly and others will be well ahead of me the amateur. Still repair and renovation (of larger items) is very much in my range of interests - so I want to be able to fully appreciate the favours being done by pitching in.

I wasn't expecting the thread to become a discussion about outlook and risk appreciation please don't misunderstand I've enjoyed it - next to repair I like to re-taste the flavour of what I'm doing and how I got there by just these sorts of discussions.

Here's the background and something about the circumstances that get the Red Sub here. I bought the watch as a 21st birthday present to myself. It cost me $223 New Zealand (110 Pounds) - purchased by a friend I played in a band with; while he was visiting Germany ( I'm a drummer of course - low talent much noise) I put the money in his pocket and asked him to look out for one for me. He was away 7 months and maybe it was a risk - but I don't think so.

You see I like my "things" to have a life and come with a story. Just like dogs and horses some machinery has a life of their own - a perceptible character - the Red Sub is certainly one of those. The cost was 5 weeks of my builder's labourers pay ( Before tax) so it hurt some, but not to wincing.

The idea to own a Rolex sort of came from my father - Norman. He volunteered early into World War II and carried a Rolex from Egypt - Africa through Tobruk till he ran out of luck ( along with a lot of others ) in Italy on the way into Monte Casino Station. He only lost the watch there. He thought it the finest machinery he had ever owned but never replaced it. That idea that ther is intrinsic goodness in machinery stuck. It was also unknown as a watch where I lived ( this was well before brands were understood) I was a kid in a town of 3400 with a little secret - something I knew was really really good (NOT obviously valuable just quietly good).

After that wait for delivery - till I was nearly 22, then we did some real growing up together climbed, hiked, surfed, dived, tramped, hunted, worked farms, drove trucks, played music, got educated. And Yes Jedly is right...... every day from when I first received it..... it's been in the water. What annoys me ( only about myself)is I've done 44 years and never let him down. I'm good with the care of animals, machinery and people and it would be unusual to miss caring for any of them so it hurs when I do. Though not everybody loves these watches - my wife told me to get rid of it... too chunky - clunky and as well it was awkward when lying down .... well you can guess... The Red Sub has been everywhere

With good gear - reliable, well made and built to take the load, comfortably competent in what they do - these items develop a real patina - some part of the character rubs off both ways. I get another small reliable heart beat on my left wrist. The Sub comes along - everywhere. It's the same with good tools, shoes, boots and saddles. We are left free in one another's company to just let the sum of the characters and experience build up.

I guess here's the heart of what I think about possessions and good things. There are many classes of valuable; some co-incide with the purchase price - not always though. Items can be made and recovered and re-purposed some unloved items are very valuable but don't meet the Auction's House current notion of valuable or pointed. To me value builds with work and reliability, comfort and patina - beauty is in there, but tends to toddle in on it's own. I don't think I ever saw $ directly determine value in my eyes without all of the above items. It will be a surprise ( maybe not) to some but I didn't know what a Red Sub was till reading the Rolexforums. But I certainly sure it was a very well built machine friend. Would I have preferred that it didn't happen - of course; who would put a friend through a car crash, do I mind now that I know the patient will survive? I've got the benefit of those whom I've met on the way it's a real plus - maybe I'd have preferred not.... but .......

So I guess there will be less trade-able value in this particular Rolex; but if it is to have the full share of character and the High Values that are character investments ...... values that are well deserved by a very well made item it's going back on my arm and to work ... ( It also gets the double crown lock check each morning - I do learn....)

Eventually the Red Sub will go to one of the kids probably Sarah - the eldest daughter who will get the story too, then my friend can look forward to another 40 years of engineering this time in recombinant DNA ... maybe it will have another accident and be fully fixed then go on again.... the stories build up - certainly Jedly is young enough .....
Peter

Pete, your post gave me goosebumps. This is how I believe a watch lives as well. It’s refreshing to see others who enjoy the moments rather than the value. Your old friend is invaluable to you, but there by your side daily. That’s true love and friendship. You trust in your old friend as it trusts in you, both knowing you’ll make it through whatever journey together. I truly hope your old friend has been brought back to life and you two are enjoying lives well lived together.


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[BDII]

Would love to see what happened with this!

[carwashchris]

So sorry, what a bummer. Hope it works out ok. Best

[Kingface66]

Originally Posted by carwashchris

So sorry, what a bummer. Hope it works out ok. Best

It’s a kind gesture, but this was five years ago.

[Al1969]

Curious to know what happened with the restoration, but OP hasn’t been on here for over two years.