5396G vs 5164G

[Patekish]

Help.. I really cannot decide between them..... Please advice.

[Patekish]

It's 5146G instead.. sorry for the error.

[Finkalot]

5146G gets my vote. I like the symmetry of the dual sub dials. I also like the soft design of the bezel when compared to the 5396 bezel.

YMMV


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[Flex368]

Out of these two, the 5396 with the new dial. Otherwise I´d go for the 5146G with cream dial.

[Patekish]

Originally Posted by Flex368

Out of these two, the 5396 with the new dial. Otherwise I´d go for the 5146G with cream dial.

Isn't this grey dial 5396G just came out from Basel few months ago?

[Flex368]

Yes it is.

[Patekish]

Originally Posted by Finkalot

5146G gets my vote. I like the symmetry of the dual sub dials. I also like the soft design of the bezel when compared to the 5396 bezel.

YMMV


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Indeed, the symmetry of the dual sub dials looks more interesting. But the breguet numbers of the 5396G with the grey dial catches my eyes as well..

[topcat30093]

I do like the the Breguet numbers on the 5396. But my choice is still with the 5146, the layout of the dial, imo, is nicer. I have always been niggled by the way the date cuts into the lower subdial. The rounder edge on the bezel of the 5146, would also hopefully avoid less scratches.

[mps354]

I like the platinum version of the 5146, but not the gold versions (something about mixing baton markers and arabics seems off). So in this case I'd vote 5396

[jon_jon]

I have not seen the 5396 with the new dial, but from photos, it looks nice. I don't if the lume is important to you, but that is a difference between the 5146 and the 5396, along with the power reserve. But both excellent watches!

[JorgeCCW]

5146G for me , here is my rationale
With time I growth to appreciate the 5146; here is a list of things that I see that made me come back to it
1) better bang for ur back than any other PP AC
2) direct descendant of the 1st AC in the world
3) better lumen
4) PR; I don't need the 24hr reference (such a waste)
5) Subdials it's the essence of Patek IMHO
6) the only window that I really look at is the date

[Silver Bullet]

Would you be willing to wear it everyday, or will it be an occasional wear including special occasions.

If everyday, get the 5146. Scratches will show less, the power reserve may be helpful, and the lume on dial and hands may be helpful too. It's more practical. Almost looks like a boy scouts watch, to me at least, with lume and big Arabic numerals.

If occasional wear, the 5396 is the choice. Much more elegant, no lume, beautiful Breguet numbers, more of a dress watch, IMO.


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[Silver Bullet]

I think it depends on how you intend to wear the watch.

1) Daily or frequent wear --> 5146
The power reserve, lume on dial and hands, and case that may show scratches less will all make the 5146 a better watch for frequent use. Personally, I do not like that the Patek logo is not proudly displayed at the top of the watch, and I do not like the large arabic numerals mixed in with baton markers, but mostly, I don't like arabic numerals on anything but sports watches.

2) Occasional or dress wear --> 5396
The 5396 has a much more sophisticated look. The 5146 almost looks like a boy scout's watch next to the 5396 with the lume and big arabic numerals. The 5396 will be shinier, dressier, and more sophisticated with those sleek dauphin hands, and the Breguet numerals are gorgeous.

[KarlS]

Just make sure you can read against the slate

[Dancing Fire]

IDK...LOL!
Function wise the 5146 with the PR, but the 5396 have a cleaner dial with a useless 24 hr function.

[Silver Bullet]

The 24 hr function is *bizarre* (on the 5396).

Why would they put it in there?

[JorgeCCW]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

The 24 hr function is *bizarre* (on the 5396).

Why would they put it in there?

Same deal with 5205, totally useless, some might argue that helps in timing setting but believe me in the year and change that I had mine , totally worthless


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[Dancing Fire]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

Same deal with 5205, totally useless, some might argue that helps in timing setting but believe me in the year and change that I had mine , totally worthless


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Yup, a sub dial date replacing the 24 hr would be much better.

[mps354]

Originally Posted by Dancing Fire

Yup, a sub dial date replacing the 24 hr would be much better.

Definitely would look much cleaner

[Dancing Fire]

The perfect AC...

A 5146 style case.
A larger size aperture day at 9 and the month at 3.
Half circle PR below 12.
A sub dial date with MP in the center above 6.
5396 style markers and hands.
The watch will look so balance and clean.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Silver Bullet

The 24 hr function is *bizarre* (on the 5396).

Why would they put it in there?

The 24 hr function has been a staple of Patek for a long time. It was on their first AC (the world's first) and also on many of their PC's, past and present. It does help when setting the date and while not essential, I don't find it to be at all "bizarre".

What I would do without is the PR. I just personally don't see the need on an automatic watch, and would prefer the dial without it.
Also, if you eliminated the PR, then "Patek Philippe" can go back on top where it belongs, rather than at the bottom of the dial above the moonphase.

Of the two choices presented by the OP, I'd pick the 5396

[Finkalot]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

5146G for me , here is my rationale
With time I growth to appreciate the 5146; here is a list of things that I see that made me come back to it
1) better bang for ur back than any other PP AC
2) direct descendant of the 1st AC in the world
3) better lumen
4) PR; I don't need the 24hr reference (such a waste)
5) Subdials it's the essence of Patek IMHO
6) the only window that I really look at is the date

This. Couldn't have said it better.


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[Dancing Fire]

Originally Posted by Tony64

What I would do without is the PR. I just personally don't see the need on an automatic watch, and would prefer the dial without it.

Of the two choices presented by the OP, I'd pick the 5396

IMO, The PR make more sense on an auto, b/c with a manual you will wind it every morning then you know it will run at least 40 hrs?, but with an auto you have no idea how much gas is left in the tank.

[Tony64]

Originally Posted by Dancing Fire

IMO, The PR make more sense on an auto, b/c with a manual you will wind it every morning then you know it will run at least 40 hrs?, but with an auto you have no idea how much gas is left in the tank.

Fair enough, I can see your point, but what if I forget to wind one morning? At least with the PR I'd have a visual reminder that my tank was getting low. With an automatic that I wear daily however, I'm sure I'm active enough to keep it wound and so PR isn't something I'm likely to worry about.

The PR doesn't bother me, but on the 5146 I'd just much rather have the "Patek Philippe" in its place. It looks off to me at the bottom. Purely aesthetic, and obviously entirely subject to individual taste and preference.

[Patekish]

Originally Posted by mps354

I like the platinum version of the 5146, but not the gold versions (something about mixing baton markers and arabics seems off). So in this case I'd vote 5396

The platinum version is a bit out of budget for me..

[Patekish]

Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

5146G for me , here is my rationale
With time I growth to appreciate the 5146; here is a list of things that I see that made me come back to it
1) better bang for ur back than any other PP AC
2) direct descendant of the 1st AC in the world
3) better lumen
4) PR; I don't need the 24hr reference (such a waste)
5) Subdials it's the essence of Patek IMHO
6) the only window that I really look at is the date

Well said!

[Patekish]

Does anyone know how long is the wait for the new 5396G (Grey)?

[Patekish]

Originally Posted by Dancing Fire

IDK...LOL!
Function wise the 5146 with the PR, but the 5396 have a cleaner dial with a useless 24 hr function.

Very nice!

[Dancing Fire]

The 5396 come with a Spiromax balance spring. Should it matter?

[lapince]

I prefer windows to sub dials, and it has a more modern feel to it, so second pic for me