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RHJ · 13 September 2017, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony64

4) Colonel Mustard in the library with a candlestick?

haha, yes, this was my approach

007timer · 13 September 2017, 02:26 AM

lol

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Originally Posted by Tony64

4) Colonel Mustard in the library with a candlestick?

tamiya · 13 September 2017, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RHJ

we don't know, HOW the watchmaker was choosen

I'm reading that the OP/buyer chose & is familiar to watchmaker

007timer · 13 September 2017, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rhj

reading this thread i see the following possibilities

1) the kid did it - but if he was so well organized it would have been a lot better to ask around 6500 for being credible and in the tale it wasn't mentioned, that he took the watch back in hand after filing a police report, a detective from orange county sheriff was assigned to the case. It is now classified as grand theft and apparently i am not the first person that this happened to. From the information provided, there is a ring and they send these kids as pawns. This is primarily coming out of los angeles but still an active investigation. I know i am not getting my money back, but i am pressing charges to make sure someone goes to jail for this.
2) the kid and the watchmaker did it together - we don't know, how the watchmaker was choosen i chose the watchmaker, i find it near impossible that they coerced
3) the op wants to see how good is the fake and/or searches a watchmaker with which he can create the con described this i take great offense to, as i mentioned before, i shared my experience in an effort that it may prevent it from happening again. I only posted photos when another member requested them

i'm missing another possibilty ?
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P.s.: Sorry for the mistrust in mankind

m-

henrylee · 13 September 2017, 02:24 AM

Pretty scary stuff

asdff · 13 September 2017, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 007timer

Advice. If you buy used, follow all the precautions. But from now on, if anyone touches the watch after it's been authenticated, have it checked again.

Absolutely -- would not consent to purchase if the seller took the watch out of sight after the authentication...

Sorry to hear about this--lot of scum out there.

jrs146 · 13 September 2017, 01:00 PM

Terrible situation. I'm very very sorry this happened to you. And of course hindsight is 20/20 but there were many red flags from the beginning. Unfortunately I think you were zoned in on snagging a sub for a too good to be true price and missed them. And it ended up being too good to be true. An expensive lesson. Thanks for sharing your experience. If anyone learns anything from this at least it will bring some value to a crummy situation.

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007timer · 14 September 2017, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jrs146

Terrible situation. I'm very very sorry this happened to you. And of course hindsight is 20/20 but there were many red flags from the beginning. Unfortunately I think you were zoned in on snagging a sub for a too good to be true price and missed them. And it ended up being too good to be true. An expensive lesson. Thanks for sharing your experience. If anyone learns anything from this at least it will bring some value to a crummy situation.

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Honestly, looking back at this. I would have changed one only one thing. No one touches the watch after authentication is complete. It is very depressing. I am still having nightmares about this.

offrdmania · 13 September 2017, 02:26 PM

A tell tale sign on these fake movements is the red gear wheels. The teeth never hold the red on the fakes since the gears are just painted and not Teflon coated like the real ones.

southtexas · 14 September 2017, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

A tell tale sign on these fake movements is the red gear wheels. The teeth never hold the red on the fakes since the gears are just painted and not Teflon coated like the real ones.

What if it was just an aftermarket gear placed into a genuine movement?

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offrdmania · 14 September 2017, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

What if it was just an aftermarket gear placed into a genuine movement?

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I'm not aware of any true aftermarket Teflon coated gears. As far as I know, it is a proprietary, factory only part. Why would anyone skimp on that part? That would be like buying parts for your Ferrari at AutoZone.

southtexas · 14 September 2017, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

I'm not aware of any true aftermarket Teflon coated gears. As far as I know, it is a proprietary, factory only part. Why would anyone skimp on that part? That would be like buying parts for your Ferrari at AutoZone.

Agreed; my response was a weak attempt to point out that one must be able to use many points of reference when determining authenticity.

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GLADIATOR · 14 September 2017, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

What if it was just an aftermarket gear placed into a genuine movement?

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The "red" gears have NOTHING to do with it being guaranteed fake movement!
adam

southtexas · 14 September 2017, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

The "red" gears have NOTHING to do with it being guaranteed fake movement!

adam

Huh?

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socalwatchcollector · 5 October 2017, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

Huh?

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@South Texas- I am pretty sure Adam is stating it is a fake for far more obvious reasons than the red gears. Which I have to agree that there are many things off with this piece.

@ OP- Buy on here from a trusted seller or buy from an AD but never trust craigslist or the sewer rats that inhabit it..

dmac001 · 5 January 2018, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by offrdmania

A tell tale sign on these fake movements is the red gear wheels. The teeth never hold the red on the fakes since the gears are just painted and not Teflon coated like the real ones.

Just to compare - you can see the teeth color on the right look worn while the ones on the left are solid! Nice insight.

Laszlo · 13 September 2017, 03:42 PM

Can't believe you wore that thing for 9 months.

Too good to be true.

007timer · 14 September 2017, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Laszlo

Can't believe you wore that thing for 9 months.

Too good to be true.

tell me about it!

mjclark32 · 14 September 2017, 05:22 AM

Man, sorry to hear!

GB-man · 15 September 2017, 12:10 AM

Sorry to hear. There's a handful of tells just from looking at the dial and case but it's not worth discussing here.

Hopefully you still get your PP.

robwba · 15 September 2017, 01:31 AM

Wow that's very scary!

Ballaratboy · 15 September 2017, 09:12 AM

So sorry to hear that!

007timer · 15 September 2017, 05:13 PM

Thank you everyone for the kind remarks.

I do have an update. I was notified today that they found the suspect. Thsts all the information they provided since it's an ongoing investigation. I am anxiously waiting to see these scumbags go to jail.

I will update as I get more information.

tamiya · 15 September 2017, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 007timer

I do have an update. I was notified today that they found the suspect.

Woot! Great to hear.

Y'know, your boys in blue sound a lot more effective than the ones downunder... here they seem to just protect the crims

007timer · 3 October 2017, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by tamiya

Woot! Great to hear.

Y'know, your boys in blue sound a lot more effective than the ones downunder... here they seem to just protect the crims

I must say, they got a lot further than I thought they would. I am still waiting to find out where we go from here...

yxc145 · 3 October 2017, 07:01 AM

I must subscribe to this thread now. Hope you get your money back or get those guys in jail.

tbonesteak · 5 October 2017, 06:24 AM

I'm in... Hope they got him.

shabaang · 6 October 2017, 12:48 PM

i mean, the fake watch looks fake..Just look at the writing on the dial, it looks like a child wrote it. Font is wacky and not neat.

def not a 1250 fake.. the LEC is bad also..If you simply would've read the writing on the dial.. real rolex writing is perfect. If you see any imperfections its fake. This one is clearly a fake.

where are you located op? I'm in so cal.. I might be interested in selling or trading my 1 month old sub c date for a blnr.

007timer · 6 October 2017, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shabaang

i mean, the fake watch looks fake..Just look at the writing on the dial, it looks like a child wrote it. Font is wacky and not neat.

def not a 1250 fake.. the LEC is bad also..If you simply would've read the writing on the dial.. real rolex writing is perfect. If you see any imperfections its fake. This one is clearly a fake.

where are you located op? I'm in so cal.. I might be interested in selling or trading my 1 month old sub c date for a blnr.

It’s easy to see now since the pictures are close up. Looking at it from wrist distance it’s not as easy to spot. The $$ value of the fake was quoted by a watchmaker. In the grand scheme of things none of that matters. It’s not worth it’s weight in scrap metal. PM me on your Submariner.

amg55 · 6 October 2017, 08:13 PM

Thanks for sharing and sorry to hear about the scam. You just don't know these days who
's really out to scam you, do you? We generally believe that 99.9% of all people we meet are good people. It's a lesson for us all.

13 September 2017, 02:24 AM	#5
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,216	Pretty scary stuff __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

13 September 2017, 01:00 PM	#7
jrs146 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Josh Location: Lost in time Watch: Me Nae Nae Posts: 9,821	Terrible situation. I'm very very sorry this happened to you. And of course hindsight is 20/20 but there were many red flags from the beginning. Unfortunately I think you were zoned in on snagging a sub for a too good to be true price and missed them. And it ended up being too good to be true. An expensive lesson. Thanks for sharing your experience. If anyone learns anything from this at least it will bring some value to a crummy situation. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ "Sometimes the songs that we hear are just songs of our own." -Jerome J. Garcia, Robert C. Hunter

13 September 2017, 02:26 PM	#9
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,863	A tell tale sign on these fake movements is the red gear wheels. The teeth never hold the red on the fakes since the gears are just painted and not Teflon coated like the real ones. __________________ TRF Member 11738

13 September 2017, 03:42 PM	#17
Laszlo 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,857	Can't believe you wore that thing for 9 months. Too good to be true. __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

14 September 2017, 05:22 AM	#19
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Man, sorry to hear! __________________

15 September 2017, 12:10 AM	#20
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,902	Sorry to hear. There's a handful of tells just from looking at the dial and case but it's not worth discussing here. Hopefully you still get your PP. __________________

15 September 2017, 01:31 AM	#21
robwba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: rob norridge Location: west midlands Watch: rolex datejust Posts: 14	Wow that's very scary!

15 September 2017, 09:12 AM	#22
Ballaratboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Real Name: Steve Location: Australia Watch: Rolex & Tudor Posts: 179	So sorry to hear that!

15 September 2017, 05:13 PM	#23
007timer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: US Watch: BLNR Posts: 1,383	Thank you everyone for the kind remarks. I do have an update. I was notified today that they found the suspect. Thsts all the information they provided since it's an ongoing investigation. I am anxiously waiting to see these scumbags go to jail. I will update as I get more information.

3 October 2017, 07:01 AM	#26
yxc145 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Real Name: David Location: Chicago Watch: SkyD,JC, BLNR, Ex2 Posts: 1,578	I must subscribe to this thread now. Hope you get your money back or get those guys in jail.

5 October 2017, 06:24 AM	#27
tbonesteak "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New York Watch: me go broke! Posts: 1,657	I'm in... Hope they got him.

6 October 2017, 12:48 PM	#28
shabaang Banned Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: california Posts: 64	i mean, the fake watch looks fake..Just look at the writing on the dial, it looks like a child wrote it. Font is wacky and not neat. def not a 1250 fake.. the LEC is bad also..If you simply would've read the writing on the dial.. real rolex writing is perfect. If you see any imperfections its fake. This one is clearly a fake. where are you located op? I'm in so cal.. I might be interested in selling or trading my 1 month old sub c date for a blnr.

6 October 2017, 08:13 PM	#30
amg55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Me Location: Australia Watch: Daytona 116500LN Posts: 671	Thanks for sharing and sorry to hear about the scam. You just don't know these days who 's really out to scam you, do you? We generally believe that 99.9% of all people we meet are good people. It's a lesson for us all.

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