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Old 10 July 2020, 08:39 AM   #31
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:40 AM   #32
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Wait. There are other watches?
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:44 AM   #33
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C) Patek Philippe, Audemars Piguet, and Vacheron Constantin are miles ahead of Rolex on quality and craftsmanship. Rolex makes great stainless steel sport timepieces that can take a beating.
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:44 AM   #34
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Yes, Rolex is not haute horology. I don't think they intend to portray themselves as such. I don't want HH as Rolex suits my needs. They are accurate, well made, attractive, and robust. I acknowledge Patek for what it is, but they don't suit my needs.

I vote C as it is a factual statement. Adjectives such as "best" are far too subjective as it means something different to every person.
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:50 AM   #35
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Old 10 July 2020, 08:58 AM   #36
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Other brands like the holy trinity, A Lange, FP Journe and others come to mind when you are discussing high quality hand finished products. However they're like a Ferrari/Lamborghini.
A very good way to compare. To me, Rolex = Porsche: mass-produced, very high quality, very reliable.

PP/AP/ALS/VC= Ferrari/Bentley/Rolls: hand-made, ? reliable, expensive to repair.

And Grand Seiko=Lexus

YMMV
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Old 10 July 2020, 09:08 AM   #37
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Old 10 July 2020, 09:13 AM   #38
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Eh, no.
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Old 10 July 2020, 09:14 AM   #39
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I've looked at enough Grand Seikos to know Rolex isn't the gold standard. Higher end watches take that "quality" a step further.

I like Rolex for the history, and they're made like tanks... So for me that's a win.
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Old 10 July 2020, 09:25 AM   #40
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thought this topic would generate some lively discussion...

Do you consider rolex the best hand crafted watch brand?

A. Indeed, rolex is the gold standard and i consider them the best.
B. Rolex is awesome but not the best.
C. I love rolex but it’s not “hand crafted” to me.
D. Not even close. So many better watches.
E. Other / don’t know or care

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c.
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Old 10 July 2020, 09:36 AM   #41
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Depends on your definition of best.

Durability, reliability, accuracy, fast reasonably priced servicing, value retention, I believe they are the best.

Finishing, they are not the best. If you want a bunch of complications, they are not the best.

Exactly this.

Define the criteria, as best is too vague for this question.
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Old 10 July 2020, 09:37 AM   #42
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Old 10 July 2020, 10:27 AM   #43
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Given your parameters, I'd probably go with option B. They make an excellent time piece, one that I'm happy to own and use daily. To me their value is the fact I can wear it while engaging in my day to day activiites without much in the way of worry. I can't honestly say the same about some of the other haute horology pieces like PP, AP etc.
I like the robustness of their build.
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Old 10 July 2020, 10:32 AM   #44
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Old 10 July 2020, 12:14 PM   #45
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Old 10 July 2020, 12:33 PM   #46
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They're the best for me. I love and appreciate the engineering excellence, and as a guy who sweats in the summer and lives in the south, I like a water proof watch on a bracelet. I respect Patek, AP and VC, and there are a couple I'd be willing to own, but Rolex ticks all my boxes.
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Old 10 July 2020, 12:40 PM   #47
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Quality and durable production watch with outstanding marketing. I can get better movements with better finishing without the outstanding marketing in other impressive brands for less money.
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Old 10 July 2020, 12:51 PM   #48
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I think the argument about being hand-crafted or not is misleading and futile. All watches at this level are a mix of some "hand-craft" and some "machine-craft"! Does PP or ALS or RM have their techs forge the case or make the movement pieces etc manually? There are clearly different levels of hand-crafting, different quality materials, and different levels of finishing, but this "hand-crafted" vs "machine-produced" is worthless, IMO.

So, it's a B for me!
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Old 10 July 2020, 12:57 PM   #49
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B and C. Odd post though - Rolex is mass produced. Even the most intense Rolex fanboy wouldn’t consider their watch(es) hand crafted.

Even much cheaper brands are “better” in that regard... i.e. Grand Seiko.
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Old 10 July 2020, 01:01 PM   #50
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For durability and reliability, what’s better???
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Old 10 July 2020, 01:02 PM   #51
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Rolex watches are mass-produced by machines. Only the movements are handmade.


The movements are hand assembled. Rolex techs are not making a main plate or bridges by hand. These are mass produced by machine.


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Old 10 July 2020, 01:24 PM   #52
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Rolex makes a nice mass produced watch and as much as we may love them they are far from hand crafted, IMO.
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Old 10 July 2020, 01:37 PM   #53
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AP, Patek, Journe. Are miles a head of Rolex, in terms of finishing, and craftsmanship.

Rolex makes a solid great looking watch, if you had to ask me either AP or Rolex as just one watch id take Rolex. Its durable and works for any situation. Whilst if i had an AP I definitely wouldnt want to be taking it to a beach or a pool. Whilst my DJ does all those things.
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Old 10 July 2020, 01:51 PM   #54
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No. I put a Grand Seiko snowflake next my Rolex. And the GS seemed more refined.
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Old 10 July 2020, 01:53 PM   #55
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B, solid B. Definitely better out there but it's very good in it's own right.
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Old 10 July 2020, 02:40 PM   #56
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It’s not hand crafted. Machine crafting used, though, has no match


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Old 10 July 2020, 02:44 PM   #57
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B, C, and D for me.
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Old 10 July 2020, 02:46 PM   #58
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Which watch is best depends on the attributes that that you value in a watch and the use to which the watch will be put.
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Old 10 July 2020, 03:13 PM   #59
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Thought this topic would generate some lively discussion...

Do you consider Rolex the best hand crafted watch brand?

A. Indeed, Rolex is the gold standard and I consider them the best.
B. Rolex is awesome but not the best.
C. I love Rolex but it’s not “hand crafted” to me.
D. Not even close. So many better watches.
E. Other / Don’t know or care

Thoughts?

Answer: B, C, and D are all correct.


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Old 10 July 2020, 04:03 PM   #60
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no they are not handcrafted nor are they the most high tech manufacturing
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