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2Redbulls · 20 February 2018, 07:46 AM

I hope you guys are right. I just purchased a 5164 after missing my 5167. I was hoping to get a discount from my AD but it didn’t happen.

Karbo · 20 February 2018, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 2Redbulls

I hope you guys are right. I just purchased a 5164 after missing my 5167. I was hoping to get a discount from my AD but it didn’t happen.

Congrats ! Wonderful watch

DeeTee · 20 February 2018, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Ok I took your advise and mortgaged my home which caused me to get divorced. Now I own a bunch of Pateks and will wait until 2020 to reap the rewards! I hope my future bride likes sailboats, Ferraris, and mansions.

Your woman was short sighted.
Let me know when the yacht is ready, I’ll bring the champagne!

Karbo · 20 February 2018, 04:33 PM

The best

HorologyK · 20 February 2018, 10:05 PM

I think the 5167 will increase sooner in value than the 64.

tyler1980 · 20 February 2018, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by HorologyK

I think the 5167 will increase sooner in value than the 64.

i think it will too. Its the base model, and that's not with a negative connotation at all. Its just what it is in the aquanaut line up.

Any time there are two models of pretty much anything that are similar, the more expensive one with the options needs the base model to do well in order for it to do well also. The 64's fate is tied very closely to the 67.

HorologyK · 20 February 2018, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

i think it will too. Its the base model, and that's not with a negative connotation at all. Its just what it is in the aquanaut line up.

Any time there are two models of pretty much anything that are similar, the more expensive one with the options needs the base model to do well in order for it to do well also. The 64's fate is tied very closely to the 67.

Yes. Not everyone wants to pay that premium for a complication they may never use.

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AK797 · 20 February 2018, 11:13 PM

Here the 67 is already at a steep premium, around £20K, so I think the two are now rising at around the same rate.

Kaapu · 21 February 2018, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by HorologyK

Yes. Not everyone wants to pay that premium for a complication they may never use.

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Agree. My Apple watch is the complicated one.

Karbo · 21 February 2018, 01:30 AM

To me patek also means complication... otherwise lets pickup a 5513

2933340 · 21 February 2018, 09:01 AM

Is there any retailer offer discount for 5164a?

Karbo · 21 February 2018, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

I will admit I have always preferred the aquanaut to the nautilus line.

Same here

Xerxes77 · 21 February 2018, 03:50 PM

Not too much like 5711 but I think the price will rise!

HorologyK · 21 February 2018, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Karbo

Same here

Why ?

GB-man · 22 February 2018, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HorologyK

Why ?

I will let karbo answer for himself but for me it is not a matter of disliking the nautilus but just loving the execution of the aquanaut.

I much prefer the dial on the aqua in color as well as the arabic filled indices over the sticks of the naut. I also was never fond of pcls on my rolex and even though its different with the naut it still reminds me of them

Last but not least I love a rubber strap.

I still want to add another nautilus just not sure which one at this point. I screwed up selling my 5711 white as I think that would still be my choice.

Karbo · 22 February 2018, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HorologyK

Why ?

My way of life... aquanaut is more sporty and that suits me well
Nautilus is more classy and more fragile
It also depends of the existing collection..
I think the rubber is brilliant, its integration is natural not like oysterflex daytos
I also love the changing dial
BUT
Nothing wrong with 11/12 ok ? :-))

tyler1980 · 22 February 2018, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Karbo

My way of life... aquanaut is more sporty and that suits me well
Nautilus is more classy and more fragile
It also depends of the existing collection..
I think the rubber is brilliant, its integration is natural not like oysterflex daytos
I also love the changing dial
BUT
Nothing wrong with 11/12 ok ? :-))

i agree. I would keep my 5164 over my 5712 no question if i had to get rid of one. Love the 5712 so its not like there is anything wrong with it. The aquanaut is just that good.

tng11 · 22 February 2018, 04:07 AM

Don't own a Nautilus yet, but I have an inkling I would prefer the Aquanaut too. Less stress for me not having PCLs, more versatile with the rubber strap and greater water resistance. The 5164 also feels relatively more robust than the Nautilus too. It can pretty much fit in with all situations I would wear my Rolexes save for diving.

If I had to reduce my collection to just two watches, I would have just a 5712/1A and a 5164A and nothing else.

JorgeCCW · 22 February 2018, 06:09 AM

it is fair to say that 5164 hasn't go up crazy in price because Patek hasn't limited the availability as much as they did with the 5711. In other words this is all manipulated by the manufacturer

Karbo · 22 February 2018, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

it is fair to say that 5164 hasn't go up crazy in price because Patek hasn't limited the availability as much as they did with the 5711. In other words this is all manipulated by the manufacturer

So true !! And you just answered the poll question by yourself !

AK797 · 22 February 2018, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

it is fair to say that 5164 hasn't go up crazy in price because Patek hasn't limited the availability as much as they did with the 5711. In other words this is all manipulated by the manufacturer

I think it is also very expensive when set against the 67 so demand was never huge, but in the UK it is trading at 2/3K over retail now as demand is transferring from other models to this now "value" piece.

gmstevenson · 22 February 2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JorgeCCW

it is fair to say that 5164 hasn't go up crazy in price because Patek hasn't limited the availability as much as they did with the 5711. In other words this is all manipulated by the manufacturer

Is that the reason or is it because the demand for the Aquanaut is not as great as the Nautilus? I have no idea but it would surprise me if PP was producing significantly more 5164s than 5711s. I would have thought that production of all ss models was about the same. I take it PP doesn't release these stats?

Karbo · 23 February 2018, 07:38 AM

Last call voters !

Karbo · 26 February 2018, 03:28 AM

138 voters
2/3 up
1/3 down
Thx everyone

Passionata · 26 February 2018, 05:29 AM

Really doubt it will follow the 11/12 the 67 maybe but even in that i m not confident ,u know magic happens once (or max.twice)

mps354 · 26 February 2018, 08:12 AM

I just saw a pre owned 5167 on rubber sell for $26k (well, that's what it was listed for, and was marked sold a few hours later). Didn't know they had gone up that much

GB-man · 26 February 2018, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mps354

I just saw a pre owned 5167 on rubber sell for $26k (well, that's what it was listed for, and was marked sold a few hours later). Didn't know they had gone up that much

Not sure I can trust ewc prices. If those are accurate then everyone here is selling way way under market

Some of their prices make me lol

mps354 · 27 February 2018, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

Not sure I can trust ewc prices. If those are accurate then everyone here is selling way way under market

Some of their prices make me lol

hah, you saw it too...

AK797 · 27 February 2018, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mps354

I just saw a pre owned 5167 on rubber sell for $26k (well, that's what it was listed for, and was marked sold a few hours later). Didn't know they had gone up that much

Watchfinder have a rare unworn one in for £18.5K or $25.5K so very similar. Chronext are asking £2K more.

GB-man · 27 February 2018, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mps354

hah, you saw it too...

I asked them about a milspec ff and they wanted over 20k lol

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21 February 2018, 01:30 AM	#40
Karbo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Paris, France Watch: Dayto/5164 Posts: 1,631	To me patek also means complication... otherwise lets pickup a 5513 __________________ IG : @aka_karbo

22 February 2018, 06:09 AM	#49
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,675	it is fair to say that 5164 hasn't go up crazy in price because Patek hasn't limited the availability as much as they did with the 5711. In other words this is all manipulated by the manufacturer __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

23 February 2018, 07:38 AM	#53
Karbo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Paris, France Watch: Dayto/5164 Posts: 1,631	Last call voters ! __________________ IG : @aka_karbo

26 February 2018, 03:28 AM	#54
Karbo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Paris, France Watch: Dayto/5164 Posts: 1,631	138 voters 2/3 up 1/3 down Thx everyone __________________ IG : @aka_karbo

20 February 2018, 07:46 AM	#31
2Redbulls "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Morgan Hill, CA Watch: I give up.. Posts: 719	I hope you guys are right. I just purchased a 5164 after missing my 5167. I was hoping to get a discount from my AD but it didn’t happen.

20 February 2018, 10:05 PM	#35
HorologyK "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: USA Posts: 1,354	I think the 5167 will increase sooner in value than the 64.

20 February 2018, 11:13 PM	#38
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,220	Here the 67 is already at a steep premium, around £20K, so I think the two are now rising at around the same rate.

21 February 2018, 09:01 AM	#41
2933340 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 19	Is there any retailer offer discount for 5164a?

21 February 2018, 03:50 PM	#43
Xerxes77 Banned Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Home! Posts: 3,307	Not too much like 5711 but I think the price will rise!

22 February 2018, 04:07 AM	#48
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	Don't own a Nautilus yet, but I have an inkling I would prefer the Aquanaut too. Less stress for me not having PCLs, more versatile with the rubber strap and greater water resistance. The 5164 also feels relatively more robust than the Nautilus too. It can pretty much fit in with all situations I would wear my Rolexes save for diving. If I had to reduce my collection to just two watches, I would have just a 5712/1A and a 5164A and nothing else.

26 February 2018, 05:29 AM	#55
Passionata "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: N/A Watch: the girls Posts: 7,095	Really doubt it will follow the 11/12 the 67 maybe but even in that i m not confident ,u know magic happens once (or max.twice) __________________ Best George "Also remember that feet don't get fat and a watch will always speak volumes." Robert Johnston --------------------- newhttps://youtu.be/EljAF-uddhE new http://youtu.be/ZmpLoO1Q8eQ IG @passionata1

26 February 2018, 08:12 AM	#56
mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 8,971	I just saw a pre owned 5167 on rubber sell for $26k (well, that's what it was listed for, and was marked sold a few hours later). Didn't know they had gone up that much

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