5070P ..is the market getting insane ?

[nyc2la]

I think this is one of the most beautiful Pateks. Will it be collectible? Will it ever have the cult following of the 5070p? Who knows. I don’t care. I bought this to wear, and it will be my keeper. It will be passed down to my little big man.

On pure aesthetics, the 5170p wins for me. For collectibility, the 5070p wins (at least for now).

And for less than half the price if bought right, the 5170p seems like a no brainer!

[pam66]

it looks really very good and it is one of my temptations

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by Russell996

I must be in the minority but I much prefer the look of the 5170, the in-house movement fits the case and the bezel is a normal size!

Yeah for me strictly just looking at the watch, I also think 5170 is better looking.

[SW1]

Love it Stephen and that 5270 blue was a mistake letting go!!

[conkers]

I may yet add the 5170p as I also think it is a fabulous looking piece. Just being patient to wait for the right price. 82k new here in Asia and similar tax free in Switzerland.

[thomaspp]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I think this is one of the most beautiful Pateks. Will it be collectible? Will it ever have the cult following of the 5070p? Who knows. I don’t care. I bought this to wear, and it will be my keeper. It will be passed down to my little big man.

On pure aesthetics, the 5170p wins for me. For collectibility, the 5070p wins (at least for now).

And for less than half the price if bought right, the 5170p seems like a no brainer!

Who are we kidding! As we have discussed before privately they are all beautiful and we are nitpicking here as passionate collectors... since no thread is complete without pictures, here is mine for my daughters (if they can pull off 42! Lol).




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[mps354]

I love all versions of the 5070, as well as the 5170p, though all iterations have their pros and cons. Something to consider...my 5070g and 5170p in total cost about the same as a 5070p. Maybe justified, but worth noting

[nyc2la]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

Who are we kidding! As we have discussed before privately they are all beautiful and we are nitpicking here as passionate collectors... since no thread is complete without pictures, here is mine for my daughters (if they can pull off 42! Lol).




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If it doesn’t fit her, you can pass it to me!

Beautiful, my friend! If it weren’t for the price, I’d love to have it paired with the 5170p. What a duo that would make.

[SG56]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I think this is one of the most beautiful Pateks. Will it be collectible? Will it ever have the cult following of the 5070p? Who knows. I don’t care. I bought this to wear, and it will be my keeper. It will be passed down to my little big man.

On pure aesthetics, the 5170p wins for me. For collectibility, the 5070p wins (at least for now).

And for less than half the price if bought right, the 5170p seems like a no brainer!

Yep and as I unfortunately recently found out, my new holy grail. (thanks John )

Unfortunately because, unless miracles happen, it will never make it to my wrist.

I am in love! Lol
It's kind of like having a crush on a celebrity hahahaha

[goog53]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Not sure, but I do know everyday I regret not taking mine. 😞

Russell, Are these not available in the UK currently or did you switch to a 5370P? I would think Rhone could get you one in less than a month’s time The 5170P is readily available at many US ADs.

[conkers]

Originally Posted by goog53

The 5170P is readily available at many US ADs.

Can you give me a sense of pricing in the US please. I believe retail is above 90k but presumably if there are a few around there may be some flex?

[subtona]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

Who are we kidding! As we have discussed before privately they are all beautiful and we are nitpicking here as passionate collectors... since no thread is complete without pictures, here is mine for my daughters (if they can pull off 42! Lol).

Speaking of works of art

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

Will try to be open and honest despite it being bad for me here...

5070, the watch: Stepped case, charming dial, a lot of character, four metals/four dials and no direct predecessor (look back at the patek manual wind two register Chronos) or successor that is truly comparable. 5070 stands alone. For my subjective taste, 5170 has no character with bland case and patek trying to find the right recipe making many dial and case combinations.

5070, the market: produced in far lower quantities, production controlled by availability of Lemania base movement, long waiting lists and limited availability for the P in particular, today showing higher prices and deeper bench of bidders at auction thanks to high demand. For the 5170 on the other hand I believe they have made many more units with a too high msrp to pay the cost of in house vertical integration of all components... in fact if you see market performance for all in house manual wind Chronos, it is quite bad.

Be well.




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Thank you for your thoughtful response.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by goog53

Russell, Are these not available in the UK currently or did you switch to a 5370P? I would think Rhone could get you one in less than a month’s time The 5170P is readily available at many US ADs.

Mike you are right, availability is not the issue - I love the piece but there are unfortunately limits and another has my eye.

[sensui]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I think this is one of the most beautiful Pateks. Will it be collectible? Will it ever have the cult following of the 5070p? Who knows. I don’t care. I bought this to wear, and it will be my keeper. It will be passed down to my little big man.

On pure aesthetics, the 5170p wins for me. For collectibility, the 5070p wins (at least for now).

And for less than half the price if bought right, the 5170p seems like a no brainer!

Well said Steve. When I was looking at Patek chronos to buy.....I did look at the 5070g. But when compared with the 5170p....I thought it was a no brainer aesthetically due to the killer blue sunburst (that might be the best sunburst dial I've ever laid my eyes on) and won out by a mile due to how it wears on my small wrist. I also never got over the how busy the dial of the 5070 is as well as the cut off numerals (sorry, that looks quirky to me....just a personal preference...some might call it character). I won't deny the 5070 is a great watch...but it's clear to me 5170 is a step forward in my eyes. I'm all about vintage/older models when it makes sense.

Originally Posted by SG56

Yep and as I unfortunately recently found out, my new holy grail. (thanks John )

Unfortunately because, unless miracles happen, it will never make it to my wrist.

I am in love! Lol
It's kind of like having a crush on a celebrity hahahaha

Awwww yeah T. I was wondering when these pics would suface. It looks great on you! The 5170 wears so well that it looks good on most women wrists also IMO. Rocking it!

[SG56]

Originally Posted by sensui

Awwww yeah T. I was wondering when these pics would suface. It looks great on you! The 5170 wears so well that it looks good on most women wrists also IMO. Rocking it!

Yeah, I look at that pic way too often

[Murcielagoboy2]

I never thought I'd say this but the 5170p is every bit as aesthetically nice as the 5070. More even. It's just beautifully proportioned.

Comparative bargain compared to the older watch (which is also spectacular!).

[Passionata]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

I think this is one of the most beautiful Pateks. Will it be collectible? Will it ever have the cult following of the 5070p? Who knows. I don’t care. I bought this to wear, and it will be my keeper. It will be passed down to my little big man.

On pure aesthetics, the 5170p wins for me. For collectibility, the 5070p wins (at least for now).

And for less than half the price if bought right, the 5170p seems like a no brainer!

this watch is pure perfection

[benlee]

Originally Posted by sensui

Well said Steve. When I was looking at Patek chronos to buy.....I did look at the 5070g. But when compared with the 5170p....I thought it was a no brainer aesthetically due to the killer blue sunburst (that might be the best sunburst dial I've ever laid my eyes on) and won out by a mile due to how it wears on my small wrist. I also never got over the how busy the dial of the 5070 is as well as the cut off numerals (sorry, that looks quirky to me....just a personal preference...some might call it character). I won't deny the 5070 is a great watch...but it's clear to me 5170 is a step forward in my eyes. I'm all about vintage/older models when it makes sense.

Well said! Don't get me wrong, 5070P is an impressive watch but I will choose the 5170P over the 5070P, resale potential or not.

[jhross98]

very interesting thread.. .setting aside collectability, i personally just am not interested at all in the aesthetics of the 5070. it is so big as to be unwearable for me. now. . breguet #s on a patek . . that gets me every time

for me this (white gold or rose gold version) and the 5196P are the 2 best modern pateks but man they get no love from collectors

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by jhross98

very interesting thread.. .setting aside collectability, i personally just am not interested at all in the aesthetics of the 5070. it is so big as to be unwearable for me. now. . breguet #s on a patek . . that gets me every time

for me this (white gold or rose gold version) and the 5196P are the 2 best modern pateks but man they get no love from collectors

I love this piece.

[unknown]

200.000 USD !

I guess the seller can always try
But really ... 200K ??

https://www.chrono24.com/patekphilip...-id9084274.htm

[Hermann]

The 5070P is a great watch but in my collection there is only one place for the 5170P the greatest watch ever !!

[gaeleus]

Originally Posted by HL65

Tough call Mike and very personal. For me my favorite watch of all time is my 5970R! That said I loved my 5070P but not same as my 5970R. Now that I have 5070J I actually like color combo even more than I did my 5070P. I came close to buying both 5970 and 5070P again but day before I was going to buy I changed mind and went R and J. Bruno knows from my many messages how much back and forth I was. So many people would have opt for P or G etc and taste is entirely subjective. At these levels one should always get the exact watch they want and not sacrifice as if you do you will regret it! I also had 3970P and it is a great watch as well and had it had black dial I might have kept so I could have had all 3! Maybe some day who knows...Cheers,

Those are incredible pieces and a grail for me. I dream about a 5970 in the white metal with a black dial. To me that is pure elegance and perfection and the most beautiful watch ever made. Congratulations on your awesome collection.

[pam66]

today i agreed to my AD's offer of the 5170P. what won over finally was that my wife said she would wear it too. i shall pick up the watch in early october, when i am back in town.
in fact, i am still not totally convinced about the piece but i want one upper level watch on a leather strap. at this point i think i shall cancel my order of the 5320G and focus on nautilus' again.
5980/1R in january the latest:::))))

[ufboy73]

Originally Posted by pam66

today i agreed to my AD's offer of the 5170P. what won over finally was that my wife said she would wear it too. i shall pick up the watch in early october, when i am back in town.
in fact, i am still not totally convinced about the piece but i want one upper level watch on a leather strap. at this point i think i shall cancel my order of the 5320G and focus on nautilus' again.
5980/1R in january the latest:::))))

Phenomenal - huge congrats!!

[pam66]

Originally Posted by ufboy73

Phenomenal - huge congrats!!

thanks so much!!!! maybe a watch needs to go now.....the only candidates are 5711R and 5980AR. hmmm, i am getting the 5980/1R in january the latest....do i need two 5980? but the AR is sooooo nice.....maybe not take the 1R???? questions....

[OH2004]

Take the 5980R and sell me the 5711R :).

[sensui]

Originally Posted by pam66

today i agreed to my AD's offer of the 5170P. what won over finally was that my wife said she would wear it too. i shall pick up the watch in early october, when i am back in town.
in fact, i am still not totally convinced about the piece but i want one upper level watch on a leather strap. at this point i think i shall cancel my order of the 5320G and focus on nautilus' again.
5980/1R in january the latest:::))))

This is going to be epic. I can't even hype you enough for when you get it on your wrist. Big congrats.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by pam66

today i agreed to my AD's offer of the 5170P. what won over finally was that my wife said she would wear it too. i shall pick up the watch in early october, when i am back in town.
in fact, i am still not totally convinced about the piece but i want one upper level watch on a leather strap. at this point i think i shall cancel my order of the 5320G and focus on nautilus' again.
5980/1R in january the latest:::))))

i wouldn't. While i really, really like the 5170p, i would much rather have the 5320G. I see the 5170P at almost every AD now and i have yet to see a 5320 sitting so its going to be one you will never see on anyone else probably.

I know Karl has one, but does anyone still on the forum have one? I cant think of any and people here have everything