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2careless · 1 May 2008, 06:13 AM

Can someone please enlighten me the definition of various terms "NIB", "BNIB", "LNIB"?
I know they all have "new in box" with various adjectives "Brand", "Like" in front, but what are the definitions of the conditions of the watch to qualify these descriptions?

Is it generally acceptable to describe a new watch - unworn, plastic intact but had the caseback opened with one of these descriptions?
Also, if one has opened the case, wouldn't it affect resale value?

Incurable · 1 May 2008, 06:17 AM

Some have found out the hard way that sellers descriptions are sometimes, well, optimistic at best. No hard rules here except perhaps NIB and BNIB...

mfer · 1 May 2008, 06:32 AM

Look at the pics, that is all that counts to me.

2careless · 1 May 2008, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mfer

Look at the pics, that is all that counts to me.

Well, you wouldn't know if the case is sealed back properly by just looking at pictures...

Jocke · 1 May 2008, 06:49 AM

It´s just like mint condition as sellers use very often on a preowned watch and the freaking
watch is full of marks and dings.

I will say BNIB & NIB should be a untouched watch. LNIB should be a watch that is tryed on
the wrist but without dings and marks. The rest is preowned IMO.

Jocke

mfer · 1 May 2008, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

Well, you wouldn't know if the case is sealed back properly by just looking at pictures...

Well, I guess it also goes back to the adage:
Buy the seller not the product.

Bama · 1 May 2008, 07:28 AM

I recently bought a pre-owned watch online that was described as being refurbished to like-new condition. I found out the hard way that these terms and descriptions are subjective. My like-new watch arrived with a scratch on the bezel and a couple of scratches on the clasp. A big deal? Not to some, but that's not what I consider Like-New. I sent the watch back by the way.

East Bay Rider · 1 May 2008, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama

I recently bought a pre-owned watch online that was described as being refurbished to like-new condition. I found out the hard way that these terms and descriptions are subjective. My like-new watch arrived with a scratch on the bezel and a couple of scratches on the clasp. A big deal? Not to some, but that's not what I consider Like-New. I sent the watch back by the way.

Good for you. I'm sure the seller wasn't expecting it to come back. Maybe the next time he will be more honest in his descriptions.
BTW I hope you find your way back to having a Rolex again soon.

Downing · 1 May 2008, 01:38 PM

If a watch has had its caseback removed, then in my opinion it is certainly not BNIB or NIB and not even LNIB.

Which is not to say, however, that it's not necessarily a darn nice watch and perhaps well worth the asking price.

Speaking of watches on the internet, I dropped by my favorite watch store today and checked out a couple of used Panerai Black Seals. They're asking $4,200 for one and $4,100 for the other. I just did some web surfing and if anything they're a little low, although maybe the store doesn't have box and papers (I forgot to ask as I'm not all that serious, yet). I was pleasantly surprised since I would have been willing to pay extra to buy the seller and to buy in person.

JJ Irani · 1 May 2008, 05:50 PM

BNIB and NIB mean virtually the same thing - a very new watch, virginal and untouched with all protective stickers on.....never worn.

LNIB is LIKE a new watch, say 99% perfect, maybe worn a few times, excellent condition; but cannot be dubbed as BRAND SPANKING NEW as the other two terms mean.

JJ

veefour · 1 May 2008, 10:38 PM

This may help:
http://www.timezone.com/library/tzgu...343750#GRADING

colemanitis · 1 May 2008, 11:45 PM

BNIB and NIB are the same.

ricnas1 · 2 May 2008, 01:20 PM

imho.....

BNIB (brand new in box) = straight from AD, protective plastics intact, not taken out from box and untouched.

NIB (new in box) = protective plastics intact, unworn, taken out of box.

LNIB (like new in box) = protective plastics intact or removed but still available, worn but free of marks, scratches, dings.

MINT = no protective plastics, worn but free of dings.

chevycorvette · 2 May 2008, 03:01 PM

i would go for LAV = Like A Virgin

mldaytona · 2 May 2008, 06:10 PM

In many cases, especially on the internet, NIB could mean Nothing in Box. Just be careful.

JJ Irani · 3 May 2008, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mldaytona

In many cases, especially on the internet, NIB could mean Nothing in Box. Just be careful.

Oh so very true!!!

rickyslam · 7 May 2008, 03:26 PM

What about WIS? I've seen that a lot lately, and its been killing me not knowing what that is. I asked people around me they just said thats what we are. I guess we are all WIS. Still, what does that mean?

hienpham04 · 7 May 2008, 03:50 PM

I hear a lot about BNIB, NIB, and LNIB. Well, what are the watches in the Authorized Dealers? Since many customers (100+) worn them on the wrist, is it LNIB? I have seen showcase watch with lots of scratches. Help me here

walds11 · 7 May 2008, 06:39 PM

You bring up a good point. Those watches should be classified as LNIB, but I don't think an AD is going to give you an "extra" discount.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hienpham04

I hear a lot about BNIB, NIB, and LNIB. Well, what are the watches in the Authorized Dealers? Since many customers (100+) worn them on the wrist, is it LNIB? I have seen showcase watch with lots of scratches. Help me here

watchuneedthemost · 4 May 2018, 12:07 AM

To revive an old post, I am being offer a Yatchmaster that was purchased about 6 months ago and put in a safe, fully stickered (and is being offered for sale as such). The warranty card is named and dated to November 2017, so 4.5 years of AD warranty remains. My question is, what category would this piece fall under? BNIB (or NIB) or LNIB? I ask this question since the "remaining warranty" was not discussed in any of the responses below. Thanks in advance for being resourceful, again!

MinMay · 4 May 2018, 03:55 AM

it's subjective. everyone from chrono24 said their watches are MINT, but it's far from it.

Abdullah71601 · 5 May 2018, 04:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchuneedthemost

To revive an old post, I am being offer a Yatchmaster that was purchased about 6 months ago and put in a safe, fully stickered (and is being offered for sale as such). The warranty card is named and dated to November 2017, so 4.5 years of AD warranty remains. My question is, what category would this piece fall under? BNIB (or NIB) or LNIB? I ask this question since the "remaining warranty" was not discussed in any of the responses below. Thanks in advance for being resourceful, again!

You needed to revive a 10 year old thread to ask that question?

Remaining warranty isn't relevant to condition. It could be BNIB, 10 years old, and no warranty.

fwong208 · 5 May 2018, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veefour

This may help:
http://www.timezone.com/library/tzgu...343750#GRADING

I've always liked the TZ standard. It's quite clear and great for a reference.

fwong208 · 5 May 2018, 06:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abdullah71601

You needed to revive a 10 year old thread to ask that question?

Remaining warranty isn't relevant to condition. It could be BNIB, 10 years old, and no warranty.

I'd agree here. Get old enough and it becomes NOS

watchuneedthemost · 5 May 2018, 11:58 AM

Makes sense about warranty and condition being mutually exclusive. Didn’t think of it that way. Sorry once again about exhuming this post �� and thanks for the insight!

1 May 2008, 06:13 AM	#1
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	Definition of "NIB", "BNIB", "LNIB" Can someone please enlighten me the definition of various terms "NIB", "BNIB", "LNIB"? I know they all have "new in box" with various adjectives "Brand", "Like" in front, but what are the definitions of the conditions of the watch to qualify these descriptions? Is it generally acceptable to describe a new watch - unworn, plastic intact but had the caseback opened with one of these descriptions? Also, if one has opened the case, wouldn't it affect resale value?

1 May 2008, 06:17 AM	#2
Incurable "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Pat Location: PNW Watch: your P's and Q's Posts: 2,549	Some have found out the hard way that sellers descriptions are sometimes, well, optimistic at best. No hard rules here except perhaps NIB and BNIB... __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 16710 (Blk/Blk) Rolex Explorer 114270 Sinn 356 Sa Flieger Limes Endurance 1Tausend Too many others... #2592 It may seem like I'm doing nothing but, at a cellular level, I'm actually quite busy...

1 May 2008, 06:32 AM	#3
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,723	Look at the pics, that is all that counts to me. __________________ member#3242

1 May 2008, 06:49 AM	#5
Jocke 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,514	It´s just like mint condition as sellers use very often on a preowned watch and the freaking watch is full of marks and dings. I will say BNIB & NIB should be a untouched watch. LNIB should be a watch that is tryed on the wrist but without dings and marks. The rest is preowned IMO. Jocke __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

1 May 2008, 01:38 PM	#9
Downing "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Downing Location: Portland, Oregon Watch: SD ExpII GO Nav ND Posts: 1,640	If a watch has had its caseback removed, then in my opinion it is certainly not BNIB or NIB and not even LNIB. Which is not to say, however, that it's not necessarily a darn nice watch and perhaps well worth the asking price. Speaking of watches on the internet, I dropped by my favorite watch store today and checked out a couple of used Panerai Black Seals. They're asking $4,200 for one and $4,100 for the other. I just did some web surfing and if anything they're a little low, although maybe the store doesn't have box and papers (I forgot to ask as I'm not all that serious, yet). I was pleasantly surprised since I would have been willing to pay extra to buy the seller and to buy in person. __________________ One if by land, one if by sea, one if by air and one uh, just to tell time. Rolex Explorer II White Rolex Sea-Dweller Glashütte Original Navigator Panerai 183 G Black Seal

1 May 2008, 07:28 AM	#7
Bama "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: John Location: Washington, DC Posts: 1,150	I recently bought a pre-owned watch online that was described as being refurbished to like-new condition. I found out the hard way that these terms and descriptions are subjective. My like-new watch arrived with a scratch on the bezel and a couple of scratches on the clasp. A big deal? Not to some, but that's not what I consider Like-New. I sent the watch back by the way.

1 May 2008, 05:50 PM	#10
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	BNIB and NIB mean virtually the same thing - a very new watch, virginal and untouched with all protective stickers on.....never worn. LNIB is LIKE a new watch, say 99% perfect, maybe worn a few times, excellent condition; but cannot be dubbed as BRAND SPANKING NEW as the other two terms mean. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

1 May 2008, 10:38 PM	#11
veefour "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Canary Islands Posts: 520	This may help: http://www.timezone.com/library/tzgu...343750#GRADING __________________ 16800 Matt (1986) Avatar pic by Jocke

1 May 2008, 11:45 PM	#12
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	BNIB and NIB are the same. __________________ Member #471

2 May 2008, 01:20 PM	#13
ricnas1 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Nas Location: Singapore Watch: GMT II Posts: 230	imho..... BNIB (brand new in box) = straight from AD, protective plastics intact, not taken out from box and untouched. NIB (new in box) = protective plastics intact, unworn, taken out of box. LNIB (like new in box) = protective plastics intact or removed but still available, worn but free of marks, scratches, dings. MINT = no protective plastics, worn but free of dings.

2 May 2008, 03:01 PM	#14
chevycorvette "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: willie Location: pie hole Watch: still looking Posts: 924	i would go for LAV = Like A Virgin

2 May 2008, 06:10 PM	#15
mldaytona "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Michael Location: USA Watch: me go all out Posts: 1,183	In many cases, especially on the internet, NIB could mean Nothing in Box. Just be careful.

7 May 2008, 03:26 PM	#17
rickyslam "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Ricky Location: City of Sin Watch: Hulk, DaytonaC, DJ Posts: 1,149	What about WIS? I've seen that a lot lately, and its been killing me not knowing what that is. I asked people around me they just said thats what we are. I guess we are all WIS. Still, what does that mean?

7 May 2008, 03:50 PM	#18
hienpham04 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Hien Q Pham Location: Orlando, FL Watch: Rolex President Posts: 595	I hear a lot about BNIB, NIB, and LNIB. Well, what are the watches in the Authorized Dealers? Since many customers (100+) worn them on the wrist, is it LNIB? I have seen showcase watch with lots of scratches. Help me here

4 May 2018, 12:07 AM	#20
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	To revive an old post, I am being offer a Yatchmaster that was purchased about 6 months ago and put in a safe, fully stickered (and is being offered for sale as such). The warranty card is named and dated to November 2017, so 4.5 years of AD warranty remains. My question is, what category would this piece fall under? BNIB (or NIB) or LNIB? I ask this question since the "remaining warranty" was not discussed in any of the responses below. Thanks in advance for being resourceful, again!

4 May 2018, 03:55 AM	#21
MinMay Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: United States Posts: 2,410	it's subjective. everyone from chrono24 said their watches are MINT, but it's far from it.

5 May 2018, 11:58 AM	#25
watchuneedthemost "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Ro Location: Chicago Watch: Aqua Terra 2503.33 Posts: 598	Makes sense about warranty and condition being mutually exclusive. Didn’t think of it that way. Sorry once again about exhuming this post �� and thanks for the insight!

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