Magically appearing hot models

[RJRJRJ]

Originally Posted by Torque Time

I don’t understand this practice. As a business owner, if I have a product you want, and you have the money to pay for said product, a deal is about to take place.

For the life of me, I can’t understand holding stock to sell to a “high roller”. Who OR what defines a high roller anyway...

If you could turn 5k profit on a Daytona into 20k, wouldn't you do it?

[ROLEXster]

This practice happens all the time.
When I was sales manager at a national computer wholesaler, it happened a lot.

Hot products or limited supply products will be bundled with non-moving products.
My VIP customers will get 1st dips.

One off customers and non active customers will not get hot products.
Put yourself in the AD’s shoes..... you’ll do the same thing.

[GB-man]

modus operandi

[imgook]

73.8%

[rominvicta]

Certainly!

[aleeboy]

They appear when you start talking dollars. And by dollars I mean the large amount you are willing to part ways with above RRP.

[milwins]

Originally Posted by Torque Time

I don’t understand this practice. As a business owner, if I have a product you want, and you have the money to pay for said product, a deal is about to take place.

For the life of me, I can’t understand holding stock to sell to a “high roller”. Who OR what defines a high roller anyway...

Because they're essentially taking a loss by selling it at MSRP vs the higher gray market value. So they hold them back for someone that warrants the 'discount' privilege at buying for MSRP.

If you come in a buy a pair of marked up diamond earrings that they normally aren't going to move, then you just netted them a few grand profit they weren't expecting. Now you're more elnlegable for a hot item that they take a 'loss' on.

[zengineer]

Originally Posted by Torque Time

I don’t understand this practice. As a business owner, if I have a product you want, and you have the money to pay for said product, a deal is about to take place.

For the life of me, I can’t understand holding stock to sell to a “high roller”. Who OR what defines a high roller anyway...

What's hard to understand?

Person A wants to just buy a hot watch. Person B does too but is willing to also buy a slow moving watch or some high mark up jewelry.

Let's see..do I want to make a little money or a lot of money?

[thlax]

When demand > supply ... There is the ability to be selective

Whether an AD is choosing to sell or not is at their discretion and their business...Whether profit is in terms of money, loyal customer or just selling their inventory regardless.

Ebbs and flows ...

[tyler1980]

they have more than what they will lead you to believe, i guarantee you that.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Torque Time

I don’t understand this practice. As a business owner, if I have a product you want, and you have the money to pay for said product, a deal is about to take place.

For the life of me, I can’t understand holding stock to sell to a “high roller”. Who OR what defines a high roller anyway...

because people who spend a ton of money keep coming back for a reason. A 10k watch is nothing to protect the business relationship of someone who drops six figures a year on non popular, non SS watches.

If you know some of your big clients will be asking about something as its inevitable that they will, you better make sure its available when they do.

Risking potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars in future spend to move a 10k piece quickly to a walk in and one off purchaser makes zero business sense. People with those deep pockets have a lot of leverage and can choose to spend that money somewhere else.

playing the long game vs short game

[thlax]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

they have more than what they will lead you to believe, i guarantee you that.

Some ADs, sure. All, no? I'd like to cash in that garuntee...

Additionally, the infinite overhead this would cause ADs due to Rolex business model - the ADs wouldn't be able to sustain this like other brands that don't require the upfront investment

Lastly, this equates to how they have little to no control on what model and when they'll show up even if someone has the cash to purchase...now if an AD wants to source it outside their own or something sure. When they can't, this fuels one of the main reasons the grey market exists..

If you have endless funds to purchase you'll be able to aquire whatever XYZ is 99% of time, be in prison, or just buy out your competition.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by thlax

Some ADs, sure. All, no? I'd like to cash in that garuntee...

Additionally, the infinite overhead this would cause ADs due to Rolex business model - the ADs wouldn't be able to sustain this like other brands that don't require the upfront investment

Lastly, this equates to how they have little to no control on what model and when they'll show up even if someone has the cash to purchase...now if an AD wants to source it outside their own or something sure. When they can't, this fuels one of the main reasons the grey market exists..

If you have endless funds to purchase you'll be able to aquire whatever XYZ is 99% of time, be in prison, or just buy out your competition.

If you think everything the AD has is in the display case, i dont know what to tell you. They have stuff in the back. what exactly it is varies and its not like they keep the entire catalogue in reserve but there is a very good chance they have a daytona or a BLRO back there.

Its a small amount of money to keep tied up as a reward for customers they want to sell it to or an inducement to leverage other purchases. Both situations happen almost everywhere. Popular SS Rolex and Patek in particular are bargaining chips.

[Reinhard in SA]

Most definitely this happens.

In one sitting I tried on a black and white Daytona as well as a BLRO. Not for sale to me though.

[scombs263]

I have been to my AD multiple times (at least 4) where they pulled out a Daytona to just show me when I was looking at other watches. Each time giving me some BS line that the Daytona was spoken for. I didn't ask to see them or if they even had one. I often wonder if I pushed if I could have purchased one.

[thlax]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

If you think everything the AD has is in the display case, i dont know what to tell you. They have stuff in the back. what exactly it is varies and its not like they keep the entire catalogue in reserve but there is a very good chance they have a daytona or a BLRO back there.

Thanks for the confirmation to my question. Good to know all ADs are the same...

Since all ADs are the same it must melt people's minds if I say I know my ADs entire inventory? If theres a world where ADs arent robots and are humans, as well as friends to people...where actions aren't all motivated by a short term monetary profit and instead have many more variables.

Regardless, there are two sides to every situation so fully respect your opinions. Cheers.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by thlax

Thanks for the confirmation to my question. Good to know all ADs are the same...

Since all ADs are the same it must melt people's minds if I say I know my ADs entire inventory? If theres a world where ADs arent robots and are humans, as well as friends to people...where actions aren't all motivated by a short term monetary profit and instead have many more variables.

Regardless, there are two sides to every situation so fully respect your opinions. Cheers.

seems like you just want to argue a standard business practice. Ive been around the block enough to know whats on display isnt all there is... believe what you want
Furthermore i specifically stated the motivation for holding watches varies as well as what watch or watches it is, but its usually something. Some bundle, some use it to reward customers with extensive histories. My AD doesnt bundle and use these pieces as rewards for customers who buy a lot of watches.

Quite frankly if you are not getting one of those watches the AD doesn't want you to know they have it anyway.

[Nairn1980]

Originally Posted by s_haverford

What classifies as a hot model?

Hulk, Batman, Deepsea Blue, skydweller Blue, GMT Pepsi, SD43, Steel Daytona (closely followed by steel sub date and no date)

[Miexpeman]

Originally Posted by Nairn1980

Hulk, Batman, Deepsea Blue, skydweller Blue, GMT Pepsi, SD43, Steel Daytona (closely followed by steel sub date and no date)

Do you think TT CHNR would make that list?


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Miexpeman

Do you think TT CHNR would make that list?


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i dont. maybe the first 6 months. As nice as it is, its still TT. A very very nice TT watch.

[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by Pauljf

How likely is it that ADs have hot models in the safe that suddenly are produced should vips/ big spenders come calling?

If you’re a big spender, the AD calls YOU when cool pieces come in.

[AEC]

Originally Posted by Pauljf

How likely is it that ADs have hot models in the safe that suddenly are produced should vips/ big spenders come calling?

Darn. I read the title of the thread and figured supermodels would magically appear in my man-cave when I clicked on it. If it sounds too good to be true...

[Abyss]

Originally Posted by Pauljf

How likely is it that ADs have hot models in the safe that suddenly are produced should vips/ big spenders come calling?

do you deal with the local Goldsmiths Paul?

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by subtona

Absolutely

^^^ very

[1William]

You can count on it.

[TeddyS]

Originally Posted by Abyss

do you deal with the local Goldsmiths Paul?

The few dealings I’ve had with Goldsmiths can only be described as a bit crap..


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[vman]

Once the market turns, you'll see more and more "hot" models suddenly available at around MSRP. I remember visiting the country during its currency dip and seeing a Daytona at an AD. The owner was willing to let it go at MSRP.

[nektar]

Originally Posted by thlax

Yes. I've gotten a SS white Daytona and BLRO within same day from inquiring with my AD

Bigger check doesn't promise you a model necessarily from "most" ADs. I def had some timing and luck on my side when I've called. Daytona was absolutely sitting in back of safe but the BLRO was a shipment from that morning by luck and my relationship with the AD made me a VVIP on any "list"..

Good luck. Cheers


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Impressive.


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[nektar]

Originally Posted by RJRJRJ

If you could turn 5k profit on a Daytona into 20k, wouldn't you do it?

Exactly.


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by vman

Once the market turns, you'll see more and more "hot" models suddenly available at around MSRP. I remember visiting the country during its currency dip and seeing a Daytona at an AD. The owner was willing to let it go at MSRP.

is that good though?

Personally with the overall market and the economy being good, and if getting a watch is the biggest stress in my life because of it, i count myself lucky.

Once the market turns there are bigger worries than sudden availability of watches.

Maybe im weird