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Olivierve · 15 July 2012, 07:26 PM

Hi Rolex fans,

I have been offered to buy this dial. It is said to be comming from a 5513 with serial number 5.6 Million, from 78 /79 and argued as beeing a pre-comex dila with SUBMARINER ubder the depth marquing.

The back is bronze colour, has a small "hole" in it half way and very thin engraving SINGER SINGER SINGER.

What woories me is that, after 35 years, the tritium has not taken any patina, the indexes are snow white ( seller pretends that dials from some series in the late 70's will never fade or change color, it is inherant to the paint used). No more lume at all.

Other point is the placement of the =. The bars allign with both the f and t bars, but not centered on the line.

The coronet looks strange to me ( fat and short)

What do you, specialists, think about it ?

Olivierve · 15 July 2012, 07:27 PM

Also the space between OYSTER and PERPETUAL look exagerated wide ???

high5 · 15 July 2012, 07:47 PM

definitely not a pre comex. not sure is real or not.

Olivierve · 15 July 2012, 07:56 PM

Can you explain what makes you say it is not a pre-comex. The only thing I am about sure is that it IS a pre-comex layout.

Identical to all pictures found on the net.

If I am wrong, please post a picture of a real pre-comex.

Thank you.

Olivierve · 15 July 2012, 10:34 PM

Reference

http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...re-Comex+dials

Beaumont Miller II · 16 July 2012, 12:49 AM

I have been studying your dial in question. Is there any tritium in the hour plots at all? Here are a couple pics of some Pre comex dials that Mike Wood was generous enough to post awhile back. Look at examples 9 and 10. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191869
Look at the coronet and the serif of the "L" under the coronet. Also look at the
"=" sign relative to the "A" in "SUBMARINER" underneath.

Beaumont Miller II · 16 July 2012, 01:20 AM

PM sent

I believe that this is a feet first dial with serif on the 6 and 9 hour indices. As has been mentioned, the tritium on the dial has been washed off leaving the white paint underneath visible. There is some evidence that the dial has been mounted in a watch before. A common reason for removing the tritium is if there is damage to the dial such as flaking. Here is another dial with tritium intact for comparison.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53957...sted+by+alexmo

Olivierve · 16 July 2012, 01:40 AM

YES ! It is exactly the font and sizes, the big space between the OYSTER and the PERPETUAL. The = at the same location and same font.

Perfect match except for the index color, mine looks like a hospital wall, white painted. But I take the explanation of the wash off, which is the most probable.

Thanks for the info.

Olivierve · 16 July 2012, 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

I have been studying your dial in question. Is there any tritium in the hour plots at all? Here are a couple pics of some Pre comex dials that Mike Wood was generous enough to post awhile back. Look at examples 9 and 10. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191869
Look at the coronet and the serif of the "L" under the coronet. Also look at the
"=" sign relative to the "A" in "SUBMARINER" underneath.

Mine remains a mixture of 8, 9 10 and 11

The bars of ther f and t are not at same height, and the = is aligned with them

Could not find any that have the big space OYSTER PERPETUAL

Olivierve · 16 July 2012, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

PM sent

I believe that this is a feet first dial with serif on the 6 and 9 hour indices. As has been mentioned, the tritium on the dial has been washed off leaving the white paint underneath visible. There is some evidence that the dial has been mounted in a watch before. A common reason for removing the tritium is if there is damage to the dial such as flaking. Here is another dial with tritium intact for comparison.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53957...sted+by+alexmo

THAT's IT, exactly.

onkyo · 16 July 2012, 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

PM sent

I believe that this is a feet first dial with serif on the 6 and 9 hour indices. As has been mentioned, the tritium on the dial has been washed off leaving the white paint underneath visible. There is some evidence that the dial has been mounted in a watch before. A common reason for removing the tritium is if there is damage to the dial such as flaking. Here is another dial with tritium intact for comparison.

http://www.network54.com/Forum/53957...sted+by+alexmo

agree 100%.

Dial looks original with tritium gone. And dial was certainly mounted before.

high5 · 16 July 2012, 02:10 AM

I think it is a feet first serif dial. correct me if I was wrong, I don't think serif dial is from 78/79 though. Quite hard to find a matching case...

Olivierve · 16 July 2012, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by high5

I think it is a feet first serif dial. correct me if I was wrong, I don't think serif dial is from 78/79 though. Quite hard to find a matching case...

From when should they be ? Earlier or later than 78.

Is this what is called a pre-Comex dial ?

Thanks for reply.

Beaumont Miller II · 16 July 2012, 07:29 AM

Olivier here is a link to a thread on TRF regarding Pre-Comex dials...which your dial is not. The serif dial preceded the Pre-Comex dials.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ight=Pre+comex

Whiskyguy's pic with the green background is a great pic of a Pre-Comex dial Sub.

As is example 9 and 10 in this thread:
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191869

jedly1 · 16 July 2012, 09:02 AM

john is correct its just a serif dial ...used 70-73/4 area ...and it looks like it still has some tritium on it to me ..just maybe thin , or exposure set too high on camera.

high5 · 16 July 2012, 09:41 AM

serif dial is not the same as precomex dial, the main difference is the horizontal lines of f and t of precomex are at the same level. The rolex crowns on the dials look the same though.

high5 · 16 July 2012, 10:00 AM

BTW, I would get some ideas on a matching serial number case before consider the dial. Many vintage owners cant stand a frankenwatch.

Not sure about the serial number range of the serif, my guess is around year 1973.

Warnsboy · 16 July 2012, 10:32 AM

Legit "Pre-Comex" 5.25 Mil S/N

Warnsboy · 16 July 2012, 10:32 AM

sorry duplicate post....So how bout macros>>>>>

high5 · 16 July 2012, 10:54 AM

Jacek was selling a 5513 serif earlier this year:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...highlight=5513

Interestingly, the serial # of that watch is around 5.6M also... And it is very close to the mk 1. I thought the serif was before the precomex...

Olivierve · 7 August 2012, 04:34 AM

My dial is EXACTLY the same as jacek's and also a 5.6 million !!

Proof of genuine or coincidence ?

15 July 2012, 07:26 PM	#1
Olivierve "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: belgium Posts: 39	Who can help identify this dial Hi Rolex fans, I have been offered to buy this dial. It is said to be comming from a 5513 with serial number 5.6 Million, from 78 /79 and argued as beeing a pre-comex dila with SUBMARINER ubder the depth marquing. The back is bronze colour, has a small "hole" in it half way and very thin engraving SINGER SINGER SINGER. What woories me is that, after 35 years, the tritium has not taken any patina, the indexes are snow white ( seller pretends that dials from some series in the late 70's will never fade or change color, it is inherant to the paint used). No more lume at all. Other point is the placement of the =. The bars allign with both the f and t bars, but not centered on the line. The coronet looks strange to me ( fat and short) What do you, specialists, think about it ?

15 July 2012, 07:56 PM	#4
Olivierve "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: belgium Posts: 39	Can you explain what makes you say it is not a pre-comex. The only thing I am about sure is that it IS a pre-comex layout. Identical to all pictures found on the net. If I am wrong, please post a picture of a real pre-comex. Thank you. Last edited by Olivierve; 15 July 2012 at 08:14 PM.. Reason: typing mistakes

16 July 2012, 12:49 AM	#6
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	I have been studying your dial in question. Is there any tritium in the hour plots at all? Here are a couple pics of some Pre comex dials that Mike Wood was generous enough to post awhile back. Look at examples 9 and 10. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191869 Look at the coronet and the serif of the "L" under the coronet. Also look at the "=" sign relative to the "A" in "SUBMARINER" underneath. __________________

16 July 2012, 01:20 AM	#7
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	PM sent I believe that this is a feet first dial with serif on the 6 and 9 hour indices. As has been mentioned, the tritium on the dial has been washed off leaving the white paint underneath visible. There is some evidence that the dial has been mounted in a watch before. A common reason for removing the tritium is if there is damage to the dial such as flaking. Here is another dial with tritium intact for comparison. http://www.network54.com/Forum/53957...sted+by+alexmo __________________

16 July 2012, 07:29 AM	#14
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	Olivier here is a link to a thread on TRF regarding Pre-Comex dials...which your dial is not. The serif dial preceded the Pre-Comex dials. https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ight=Pre+comex Whiskyguy's pic with the green background is a great pic of a Pre-Comex dial Sub. As is example 9 and 10 in this thread: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=191869 __________________

15 July 2012, 07:27 PM	#2
Olivierve "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: belgium Posts: 39	Also the space between OYSTER and PERPETUAL look exagerated wide ???

15 July 2012, 07:47 PM	#3
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	definitely not a pre comex. not sure is real or not.

15 July 2012, 10:34 PM	#5
Olivierve "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: belgium Posts: 39	Reference http://www.network54.com/Forum/20759...re-Comex+dials

16 July 2012, 01:40 AM	#8
Olivierve "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: belgium Posts: 39	YES ! It is exactly the font and sizes, the big space between the OYSTER and the PERPETUAL. The = at the same location and same font. Perfect match except for the index color, mine looks like a hospital wall, white painted. But I take the explanation of the wash off, which is the most probable. Thanks for the info.

16 July 2012, 02:10 AM	#12
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	I think it is a feet first serif dial. correct me if I was wrong, I don't think serif dial is from 78/79 though. Quite hard to find a matching case...

16 July 2012, 09:02 AM	#15
jedly1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: mel(oz)/Yorks(uk) Posts: 1,917	john is correct its just a serif dial ...used 70-73/4 area ...and it looks like it still has some tritium on it to me ..just maybe thin , or exposure set too high on camera.

16 July 2012, 09:41 AM	#16
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	serif dial is not the same as precomex dial, the main difference is the horizontal lines of f and t of precomex are at the same level. The rolex crowns on the dials look the same though.

16 July 2012, 10:00 AM	#17
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	BTW, I would get some ideas on a matching serial number case before consider the dial. Many vintage owners cant stand a frankenwatch. Not sure about the serial number range of the serif, my guess is around year 1973.

16 July 2012, 10:32 AM	#18
Warnsboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: Midwest-USA Watch: 5513 Posts: 1,942	Legit "Pre-Comex" 5.25 Mil S/N

16 July 2012, 10:54 AM	#20
high5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: hong kong Posts: 300	Jacek was selling a 5513 serif earlier this year: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...highlight=5513 Interestingly, the serial # of that watch is around 5.6M also... And it is very close to the mk 1. I thought the serif was before the precomex...

7 August 2012, 04:34 AM	#21
Olivierve "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: belgium Posts: 39	My dial is EXACTLY the same as jacek's and also a 5.6 million !! Proof of genuine or coincidence ?

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