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Clay · 3 August 2012, 12:49 PM

Now don't beat me up here, but just let me play devils advocate for a minute...

People seem to be up in arms about inserts that have been "artificially" faded.

My question is, why???

I mean, if you like the look of a faded insert, and want to dip it in cholrine or bake it an oven or how ever one does these things, what's wrong with that???
People have watches polished, dials redone, movements serviced...
Now please understand, I am not saying that this is a good thing and frankly it's not something I would bother doing, but if someone wants that "look", why not???
I can see having an issue with someone if they tell you that an insert was naturally faded when it really wasn't ...but other then that, what's the big deal???

SPARTAN2161 · 3 August 2012, 01:48 PM

Well said Clay

Jason71 · 3 August 2012, 03:18 PM

I'll tell you why.........

People get too caught-up in the "value of their watch" rather than just enjoying it. If you own a watch and all that you think about is how much you will be able to sell it for later...........I believe you are missing the point. I'm not saying that you shouldn't take care of your watch, or that you shouldn't try to keep a watch original, or that you should put aftermarket parts on your watch.

However, if you choose to purchase a watch and it has been relumed, or it has a service dial, or service hands........because you might enjoy these aspects more than an "all original" watch........IMHO one shouldn't become obsessive about worrying about future value. Just enjoy the watch. One of my favorite watches is my relumed 5513. I enjoy the hell out of this watch

Passionata · 3 August 2012, 04:04 PM

I think artifically fade a bezel insert is acceptable at least for me however it s no apply if it s done on dials.

wokafu · 3 August 2012, 04:14 PM

hmmm...you can do it on your own..?? now im interested to try that out..anyone has the method..i think 'ghost' bezels are awesome be it natural/'artificial'...

AG1 · 3 August 2012, 05:50 PM

I don't have any problem with it as long as the watch is not
being misrepresented when sold.

Racer X · 3 August 2012, 10:31 PM

Your view on this surprises me Clay. I posted a long time ago that one can put a pearl in the oven to darken it when another poster requested help with making a pearl look vintage and, unless I'm remembering things incorrectly, I seem to recall you objecting.

Clay · 3 August 2012, 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer X

Your view on this surprises me Clay. I posted a long time ago that one can put a pearl in the oven to darken it when another poster requested help with making a pearl look vintage and, unless I'm remembering things incorrectly, I seem to recall you objecting.

Really??? I guess I have mellowed with age...LOL!!!

Lumo · 3 August 2012, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jason71

I'll tell you why.........

People get too caught-up in the "value of their watch" rather than just enjoying it. If you own a watch and all that you think about is how much you will be able to sell it for later...........I believe you are missing the point. I'm not saying that you shouldn't take care of your watch, or that you shouldn't try to keep a watch original, or that you should put aftermarket parts on your watch.

However, if you choose to purchase a watch and it has been relumed, or it has a service dial, or service hands........because you might enjoy these aspects more than an "all original" watch........IMHO one shouldn't become obsessive about worrying about future value. Just enjoy the watch. One of my favorite watches is my relumed 5513. I enjoy the hell out of this watch

I completely agree. For some vintage watches for everyday use I think a clean service dial is much nicer to look at that a decaying and old looking original. No idea what that does to the value, but it's not the monetary value which matters to me when checking the time.

azguy · 4 August 2012, 12:49 AM

I left a black bezel insert in the Arizona sun for the last few months, it appears to have almost not have faded at all. I'm actually pretty surprised, i thought 30 days of 110 degree bright sunlight would do it....

Racer X · 4 August 2012, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

Really??? I guess I have mellowed with age...LOL!!!

It was quite a while ago. Views can change.

RC2 · 4 August 2012, 11:14 PM

I bet most of the inserts on the Internet are artificially faded and sold as a premium.

michel33 · 6 August 2012, 03:01 AM

No problem for me to fade artificially an insert.
Big problem when one wants to sell it as naturally faded, given that some faded inserts are sold for up to 1000 bucks nowadays...

And x100 with Jason71, ENJOY your watch, the resale value should be the least of our concerns.

3 August 2012, 12:49 PM	#1
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	Another Faded Insert question... Now don't beat me up here, but just let me play devils advocate for a minute... People seem to be up in arms about inserts that have been "artificially" faded. My question is, why??? I mean, if you like the look of a faded insert, and want to dip it in cholrine or bake it an oven or how ever one does these things, what's wrong with that??? People have watches polished, dials redone, movements serviced... Now please understand, I am not saying that this is a good thing and frankly it's not something I would bother doing, but if someone wants that "look", why not??? I can see having an issue with someone if they tell you that an insert was naturally faded when it really wasn't ...but other then that, what's the big deal???

3 August 2012, 03:18 PM	#3
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	I'll tell you why......... People get too caught-up in the "value of their watch" rather than just enjoying it. If you own a watch and all that you think about is how much you will be able to sell it for later...........I believe you are missing the point. I'm not saying that you shouldn't take care of your watch, or that you shouldn't try to keep a watch original, or that you should put aftermarket parts on your watch. However, if you choose to purchase a watch and it has been relumed, or it has a service dial, or service hands........because you might enjoy these aspects more than an "all original" watch........IMHO one shouldn't become obsessive about worrying about future value. Just enjoy the watch. One of my favorite watches is my relumed 5513. I enjoy the hell out of this watch __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

3 August 2012, 04:04 PM	#4
Passionata "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: N/A Watch: the girls Posts: 7,095	I think artifically fade a bezel insert is acceptable at least for me however it s no apply if it s done on dials. __________________ Best George "Also remember that feet don't get fat and a watch will always speak volumes." Robert Johnston --------------------- newhttps://youtu.be/EljAF-uddhE new http://youtu.be/ZmpLoO1Q8eQ IG @passionata1

4 August 2012, 11:14 PM	#12
RC2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: NC Watch: Rolex 1675 Posts: 2,359	I bet most of the inserts on the Internet are artificially faded and sold as a premium. __________________ Rich Member of Nylon Nation Red Sox Nation Instagram watchguy97

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3 August 2012, 01:48 PM	#2
SPARTAN2161 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Nick H. Location: Amherst, NY Watch: me flip Posts: 1,901	Well said Clay

3 August 2012, 04:14 PM	#5
wokafu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: SM300+14060M Posts: 2,012	hmmm...you can do it on your own..?? now im interested to try that out..anyone has the method..i think 'ghost' bezels are awesome be it natural/'artificial'...

3 August 2012, 05:50 PM	#6
AG1 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 104	I don't have any problem with it as long as the watch is not being misrepresented when sold.

3 August 2012, 10:31 PM	#7
Racer X "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Dave Location: Unknown Posts: 999	Your view on this surprises me Clay. I posted a long time ago that one can put a pearl in the oven to darken it when another poster requested help with making a pearl look vintage and, unless I'm remembering things incorrectly, I seem to recall you objecting.

4 August 2012, 12:49 AM	#10
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	I left a black bezel insert in the Arizona sun for the last few months, it appears to have almost not have faded at all. I'm actually pretty surprised, i thought 30 days of 110 degree bright sunlight would do it....

6 August 2012, 03:01 AM	#13
michel33 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: france Posts: 796	No problem for me to fade artificially an insert. Big problem when one wants to sell it as naturally faded, given that some faded inserts are sold for up to 1000 bucks nowadays... And x100 with Jason71, ENJOY your watch, the resale value should be the least of our concerns.

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