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ILikeTacos · 13 March 2018, 02:12 AM

Random question, do you think more 15202ST are sold every year or 5711/1a? (only counting new sales from an AD/Boutique)

I would think more 5711s, which begs the question - if the 15202 is the rarer watch and the original Genta design, shouldn't it be trading for high $40s as well?

tng11 · 13 March 2018, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

Random question, do you think more 15202ST are sold every year or 5711/1a? (only counting new sales from an AD/Boutique)

I would think more 5711s, which begs the question - if the 15202 is the rarer watch and the original Genta design, shouldn't it be trading for high $40s as well?

Worth at least $50K. Might even hit $100K by the end of the year! Just wait for Future and Migos to start rapping about it and cha-ching!

GB-man · 13 March 2018, 03:19 AM

"I got a new jumbo"

(I got a new jumbo)

"I got a new jumbo"

(I got a new jumbo)

"Put those pateks in the dirt!"

Only a matter of time before the migos develop a taste for the jlc sourced ultra thin 2121 movement. Then we are all rich.

I do not think the 15202 will ever surpass the 5711 in secondary value. As for the question, I am inclined to guess the 5711 is produced in higher numbers but also has significantly higher demand hence the higher resale.

tyler1980 · 13 March 2018, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ILikeTacos

Random question, do you think more 15202ST are sold every year or 5711/1a? (only counting new sales from an AD/Boutique)

I would think more 5711s, which begs the question - if the 15202 is the rarer watch and the original Genta design, shouldn't it be trading for high $40s as well?

objectively it should... but the 15202 is the "high" end time and date royal oak and there are many cheaper options, where as the 5711 is the "entry" nautilus. So they are positioned differently within their product categories.

The entry priced watch has room to go up as there are no alternatives at lower price points.

Xerxes77 · 13 March 2018, 04:41 AM

I think “entry” Nautilus it’s not anymore “entry” Nautilus if we look on the secondary market!
I don’t know I like AP 15202 more but I think will be dificult to be near PP.
IMO

Wesley Crusher · 13 March 2018, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

"I got a new jumbo"

(I got a new jumbo)

"I got a new jumbo"

(I got a new jumbo)

"Put those pateks in the dirt!"

Only a matter of time before the migos develop a taste for the jlc sourced ultra thin 2121 movement. Then we are all rich.

lmao I can totally see that. The song already sounds like a banger.

Offset mentions AP in Rick Flair Drip. Hilarious song and even better music video, btw.

Tay821 · 13 March 2018, 07:01 AM

15202 all day. Just picked one up last month

fkim011 · 13 March 2018, 07:27 AM

Patek for me and I have the AP.

AshAP · 13 March 2018, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB-man

"I got a new jumbo"

(I got a new jumbo)

"I got a new jumbo"

(I got a new jumbo)

"Put those pateks in the dirt!"

Only a matter of time before the migos develop a taste for the jlc sourced ultra thin 2121 movement. Then we are all rich.

I do not think the 15202 will ever surpass the 5711 in secondary value. As for the question, I am inclined to guess the 5711 is produced in higher numbers but also has significantly higher demand hence the higher resale.

If it helps, the AD who is supplying my 5711 said they receive 2 per year per store and they have 5 stores.

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AlyRba · 13 March 2018, 09:58 AM

I concur on 5711 numbers. ADs receive 1-3 5711s per dial color each year. On the other hand, as per my AD, 15202 is Boutique only now and ADs will at most receive one 15202 allocation per year. This one allocation usually comes from leftover boutique allocation.

So, more 5711s may be produced because AP is closing down ADs. However, 5711 doesn’t have to share the market with a 37 mm 15450 and a 41 mm 15400 as in the case of 15202. Further, 5711 will fit almost any wrist whereas 15202 may be large for small wrists. Those may be few reasons why 5711 is desired more compared to a 15202.

AS1 · 13 March 2018, 11:15 AM

I think the AP is the more beautiful piece, and I proudly wear mine all the time, but the reality is that Patek have done a way better job positioning their brand than AP.

AK797 · 13 March 2018, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tng11

Worth at least $50K. Might even hit $100K by the end of the year! Just wait for Future and Migos to start rapping about it and cha-ching!

I had dinner with someone tonight who had heard of Migos and she had recently bought a Nautilus as well... altho the two were not connected as it was one of those ladies ones.

AK797 · 13 March 2018, 11:42 AM

PP has risen above AP in this surge, much like Rolex has above all its rivals put together, so with such momentum and demand behind these 2 brands they are untouchable, regardless of their supply.

JayG · 13 March 2018, 01:25 PM

15202 and 5711. Both iconic, unique and Genta. I have the 5711 and got the heads up 30 minutes ago my jumbo came in.

Kinda leaning towards the jumbo right now, but probably a combination of anticipation and recency bias

gsg · 13 March 2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JayG

15202 and 5711. Both iconic, unique and Genta. I have the 5711 and got the heads up 30 minutes ago my jumbo came in.

Kinda leaning towards the jumbo right now, but probably a combination of anticipation and recency bias

Hi Jay, congratulations on the Jumbo! did you manage to source it locally? I was last week asking at Zadok, local AP distributor in Houston, and they said they had not been getting any lately.

Rachdanon · 13 March 2018, 02:53 PM

Its all perception, hardly anything intrinsic that differentiates the two. Maybe AP needs to ramp up the marketing.

SearChart · 13 March 2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AshAP

If it helps, the AD who is supplying my 5711 said they receive 2 per year per store and they have 5 stores.

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They are not as rare as you might think. Had a sealed one in my hands two weeks ago. Just gotta be that top dollar customer or pay the ridiculous market, either way: gonna cost ya.

tyler1980 · 13 March 2018, 05:25 PM

not the best source but AP's official facebook page replied to a comment once and said they only make a few hundred 15202st per year. its there somewhere, and i saw it. So take that with a grain of salt.

There are far more 5711's than that produced.

Watch Admirer · 13 March 2018, 10:16 PM

ap

GB-man · 13 March 2018, 10:45 PM

Reality is it does not matter if the demand is not in line.

Demand for 5711 is probably 3-4x supply whereas demand for 15202 is probably double supply.

tng11 · 13 March 2018, 10:54 PM

The realistic answer to the question that the OP posed is no one knows. It's all idle speculation as how many of each AP and PP produce are well guarded secrets. And you can't tell via the number of incomings, how many are on Chrono24, Instagram, etc. either.

The prices on these models are being driven by simple supply and demand. I would make an educated guess that even if the 15202 is produced in smaller quantities, demand is still much lower relative to the supply when compared to the 5711 because of the availability of substitutes (the 15400 and 15450.) Whereas with the 5711, there aren't the same types of substitutes (the 5712 in my books is apples to oranges as it's not time-only). Plus, I still think the 15202 is a much more niche watch than the WIS would like to believe - to most first time buyers to AP, you put the 15202 beside the 15400 and the 15400 admittedly feels like more watch for less money, and the value proposition of the 15202 only really seems to reside in WISland. With the 5711, there isn't that cannibalization of its own market, and a good chunk of Nautilus demand is focused all on that one piece leading the crazy prices.

Again, I'd love to be proven wrong. 15202 to $100K FTW!

ksing · 13 March 2018, 11:50 PM

5712 is the best one in my opinion. After that is the 15202. Personally I’m not a fan of the 5711 and I also think the 15202 should be priced somewhere between 5711 and 5712.

texasmade · 14 March 2018, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ksing

5712 is the best one in my opinion. After that is the 15202. Personally I’m not a fan of the 5711 and I also think the 15202 should be priced somewhere between 5711 and 5712.

So the 15202 in SS should be $35k USD?

singe89 · 14 March 2018, 04:26 AM

The 15202 is the original with a more historical movement and the first luxury sport watch but the 5711 says Patek on the dial and I'm sure there is still more demand for the Patek name by the general public. With the WIS community they can make an educated purchase on the model they prefer for the right reasons.

JayG · 14 March 2018, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gsg

Hi Jay, congratulations on the Jumbo! did you manage to source it locally? I was last week asking at Zadok, local AP distributor in Houston, and they said they had not been getting any lately.

Hey gsg

Thanks! No, I was able to get the jumbo at a boutique out of state. i did buy another watch from them last year so that definitely helped. I really like Zadok's , here in Houston and have a good relationship with them but they also told me the Jumbo was a no go.

texasmade · 14 March 2018, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JayG

Hey gsg

Thanks! No, I was able to get the jumbo at a boutique out of state. i did buy another watch from them last year so that definitely helped. I really like Zadok's , here in Houston and have a good relationship with them but they also told me the Jumbo was a no go.

Is that also where you got your FPJ CB? I inquired about one from them and they told me they probably get at most 3 a year but usually 1-2 and they’re spoken for already.

GB-man · 14 March 2018, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JayG

Hey gsg

Thanks! No, I was able to get the jumbo at a boutique out of state. i did buy another watch from them last year so that definitely helped. I really like Zadok's , here in Houston and have a good relationship with them but they also told me the Jumbo was a no go.

Chrono bleu, 5711 and 15202...

Somebody collects the good chit

ksing · 14 March 2018, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by texasmade

So the 15202 in SS should be $35k USD?

I haven't been following the prices of all these models, but if that's at least same or a bit higher than price of 5711 then I would say yes. I strongly believe there is no logical reason at all why a 5711 should be more expensive than a 15202.

Obviously the 5712 is mechanically superior to both of those watches, and in my opinion, aesthetically as well.

Rachdanon · 14 March 2018, 09:31 PM

Just walked past a local grey dealer, Bright Time, that had the white 5711 next to a 15400 white dial, and found the 5711 to be underwhelming next to the 15400 actually...for double the price..doesnt sound right.

Rolex addict · 14 March 2018, 10:27 PM

My personal preference is the 5711. That's all it is. Personal preference.

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13 March 2018, 02:12 AM	#1
ILikeTacos Banned Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: IL Posts: 133	15202 or 5711? Random question, do you think more 15202ST are sold every year or 5711/1a? (only counting new sales from an AD/Boutique) I would think more 5711s, which begs the question - if the 15202 is the rarer watch and the original Genta design, shouldn't it be trading for high $40s as well?

13 March 2018, 03:19 AM	#3
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,862	"I got a new jumbo" (I got a new jumbo) "I got a new jumbo" (I got a new jumbo) "Put those pateks in the dirt!" Only a matter of time before the migos develop a taste for the jlc sourced ultra thin 2121 movement. Then we are all rich. I do not think the 15202 will ever surpass the 5711 in secondary value. As for the question, I am inclined to guess the 5711 is produced in higher numbers but also has significantly higher demand hence the higher resale. __________________

13 March 2018, 05:25 PM	#18
tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	not the best source but AP's official facebook page replied to a comment once and said they only make a few hundred 15202st per year. its there somewhere, and i saw it. So take that with a grain of salt. There are far more 5711's than that produced. __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

13 March 2018, 10:45 PM	#20
GB-man 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 36,862	Reality is it does not matter if the demand is not in line. Demand for 5711 is probably 3-4x supply whereas demand for 15202 is probably double supply. __________________

13 March 2018, 04:41 AM	#5
Xerxes77 Banned Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Home! Posts: 3,307	I think “entry” Nautilus it’s not anymore “entry” Nautilus if we look on the secondary market! I don’t know I like AP 15202 more but I think will be dificult to be near PP. IMO

13 March 2018, 07:01 AM	#7
Tay821 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: USA Posts: 913	15202 all day. Just picked one up last month

13 March 2018, 07:27 AM	#8
fkim011 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Frank Location: Irvine Watch: Rolex Sky Dweller Posts: 245	Patek for me and I have the AP.

13 March 2018, 09:58 AM	#10
AlyRba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: USA Posts: 349	I concur on 5711 numbers. ADs receive 1-3 5711s per dial color each year. On the other hand, as per my AD, 15202 is Boutique only now and ADs will at most receive one 15202 allocation per year. This one allocation usually comes from leftover boutique allocation. So, more 5711s may be produced because AP is closing down ADs. However, 5711 doesn’t have to share the market with a 37 mm 15450 and a 41 mm 15400 as in the case of 15202. Further, 5711 will fit almost any wrist whereas 15202 may be large for small wrists. Those may be few reasons why 5711 is desired more compared to a 15202.

13 March 2018, 11:15 AM	#11
AS1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: NYC / Milan Watch: 6263 Posts: 3,938	I think the AP is the more beautiful piece, and I proudly wear mine all the time, but the reality is that Patek have done a way better job positioning their brand than AP.

13 March 2018, 11:42 AM	#13
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,232	PP has risen above AP in this surge, much like Rolex has above all its rivals put together, so with such momentum and demand behind these 2 brands they are untouchable, regardless of their supply.

13 March 2018, 01:25 PM	#14
JayG "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: US Watch: FP Journe CB/ 5711 Posts: 345	15202 and 5711. Both iconic, unique and Genta. I have the 5711 and got the heads up 30 minutes ago my jumbo came in. Kinda leaning towards the jumbo right now, but probably a combination of anticipation and recency bias

13 March 2018, 02:53 PM	#16
Rachdanon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Singapore Posts: 266	Its all perception, hardly anything intrinsic that differentiates the two. Maybe AP needs to ramp up the marketing.

13 March 2018, 10:16 PM	#19
Watch Admirer Banned Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: somewhere Posts: 350	ap

13 March 2018, 10:54 PM	#21
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,629	The realistic answer to the question that the OP posed is no one knows. It's all idle speculation as how many of each AP and PP produce are well guarded secrets. And you can't tell via the number of incomings, how many are on Chrono24, Instagram, etc. either. The prices on these models are being driven by simple supply and demand. I would make an educated guess that even if the 15202 is produced in smaller quantities, demand is still much lower relative to the supply when compared to the 5711 because of the availability of substitutes (the 15400 and 15450.) Whereas with the 5711, there aren't the same types of substitutes (the 5712 in my books is apples to oranges as it's not time-only). Plus, I still think the 15202 is a much more niche watch than the WIS would like to believe - to most first time buyers to AP, you put the 15202 beside the 15400 and the 15400 admittedly feels like more watch for less money, and the value proposition of the 15202 only really seems to reside in WISland. With the 5711, there isn't that cannibalization of its own market, and a good chunk of Nautilus demand is focused all on that one piece leading the crazy prices. Again, I'd love to be proven wrong. 15202 to $100K FTW!

13 March 2018, 11:50 PM	#22
ksing "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 53	5712 is the best one in my opinion. After that is the 15202. Personally I’m not a fan of the 5711 and I also think the 15202 should be priced somewhere between 5711 and 5712.

14 March 2018, 04:26 AM	#24
singe89 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jim Location: Orange County, CA Watch: Rolex, AP & Patek Posts: 3,722	The 15202 is the original with a more historical movement and the first luxury sport watch but the 5711 says Patek on the dial and I'm sure there is still more demand for the Patek name by the general public. With the WIS community they can make an educated purchase on the model they prefer for the right reasons.

14 March 2018, 09:31 PM	#29
Rachdanon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Singapore Posts: 266	Just walked past a local grey dealer, Bright Time, that had the white 5711 next to a 15400 white dial, and found the 5711 to be underwhelming next to the 15400 actually...for double the price..doesnt sound right.

14 March 2018, 10:27 PM	#30
Rolex addict Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: The Enabler Location: South Cackalacky Watch: me crash my bike Posts: 5,564	My personal preference is the 5711. That's all it is. Personal preference.

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