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MrChamfers · 2 July 2022, 02:49 AM

Does this look like a good one, all original?
It is the blue version, but looks more black to me.

linesiders · 2 July 2022, 01:23 PM

Looks OK - not sure I like the insert (looks enhanced) and bezel is not sharp.

Are you looking for a Blue Flake? Or just curious?

MrChamfers · 2 July 2022, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

Looks OK - not sure I like the insert (looks enhanced) and bezel is not sharp.

Are you looking for a Blue Flake? Or just curious?

I'm casually looking, looks like I need to read up on these some more.
This one did catch my eye...a blue would be a nice change of pace.

minimalista · 3 July 2022, 08:35 AM

I would go for it! Prices seem to have come down and this looks like a stunning example.

Lesnerelli23 · 3 July 2022, 10:29 AM

I’m considering a snowflake currently as well. It seems really difficult to spot the difference between good aftermarket replacement parts and service parts… I’ve been offered a REALLY REALLY good deal but I have the same issue as you. What’s original, etc…

I’ll be watching this thread for anything that could help me too lol. I’ll share if I learn anything on the way as well! Good luck out there!!!

zapokee · 3 July 2022, 03:00 PM

Surely that's a black dial. The blue ones are as blue as blue can be.

harry in montreal · 3 July 2022, 05:54 PM

The blue 9411s are super blue. The 7021s are a little bit tough to distinguish but they generally have lots of bubbles. Post lots of photos !

TuRo · 3 July 2022, 10:21 PM

Looks blue dial to me tbh. Watch looks fine and id see it around £6700-7500.

MrChamfers · 4 July 2022, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by harry in montreal

The blue 9411s are super blue. The 7021s are a little bit tough to distinguish but they generally have lots of bubbles. Post lots of photos !

All of the "blue" 9411 and 7021 I have seen are a very dark blue, almost black. Maybe in natural light it is easier to see the blue?

Dan S · 4 July 2022, 01:37 AM

Looks totally blue to me, not even a particularly dark blue. Maybe the OP's display settings are off.

MrChamfers · 4 July 2022, 04:58 AM

Maybe the screen or my eyes, who knows.

Now this no date looks blue to me.

linesiders · 4 July 2022, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Maybe the screen or my eyes, who knows.

Now this no date looks blue to me.

Well this one is a complete fake so hard pass

CGs wrong
Crown No Crimp
Fake Insert
Fake Bezel
Soft Hour hand
1.25x too thick Minute
Dial with bad fonts

Allllll no good

swaini3 · 4 July 2022, 06:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

Well this one is a complete fake so hard pass

CGs wrong
Crown No Crimp
Fake Insert
Fake Bezel
Soft Hour hand
1.25x too thick Minute
Dial with bad fonts

Allllll no good

As always linesiders..... Nice breakdown

Filipão · 4 July 2022, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by linesiders

Well this one is a complete fake so hard pass

CGs wrong
Crown No Crimp
Fake Insert
Fake Bezel
Soft Hour hand
1.25x too thick Minute
Dial with bad fonts

Allllll no good

Wow. Thank you for keeping us safe.

MrChamfers · 4 July 2022, 06:43 AM

but the blue is very blue on that fake!

ok, this one is somewhat blue, but not fake...

beachboy17 · 4 July 2022, 07:47 AM

Buy the dealer on these Tudors....I purchased this several years ago from reputable vintage dealer.

Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk

linesiders · 4 July 2022, 09:17 AM

Some of the Blues do look black in certain light.

Quote:

Originally Posted by swaini3

As always linesiders..... Nice breakdown

Quote:

Originally Posted by Filipão

Wow. Thank you for keeping us safe.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

but the blue is very blue on that fake!

ok, this one is somewhat blue, but not fake...

THAT is a nice looking Flake

Quote:

Originally Posted by beachboy17

Buy the dealer on these Tudors....I purchased this several years ago from reputable vintage dealer.

Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk

Classic!

I have 4 blue flakes at this time. From, the second oldest by serial Blue 7016 I.68 SWISS only Snowflake I've seen (photo with crystal off - debating might sell), to my first flake 1979/80 (might be for sale, at shop getting serviced), to a the Green Beret 1978, to a 94010 MN that will be going for repair soon .

Love my blues. But I have 2 more I want to get and I can't justify SIX blue Snowflakes and 6 7922/24/28s.

baumare · 4 July 2022, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Does this look like a good one, all original?
It is the blue version, but looks more black to me.

Dial is clearly blue to me, is just the lighting, look at the insert, is blue on top but looks black at the bottom...

BTW, here's my snowflake in action...

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Jaegodylan · 8 July 2022, 02:27 AM

What are your thoughts on this one?

Is that a service insert? The flat four seems odd for these.

“ A Rolex Tudor Prince Oysterdate Snowflake Submariner gentleman's bracelet watch with 'roulette' date, ref. 7021/0, no. 738075, c.1969 Bezel: VG, tow or three light scratches and two tiny silver spots to blue (probably paint spots from manufacture). “

fizz · 9 July 2022, 03:40 PM

The OP's linked 9411/0 blue snowflake was traded apparently by the seller (Paul's watch repair). The asking price was a very fair 9.2k USD, though the bracelet was banged up (deep scratches) and part of the case as well.

On their Instagram you can see a video of it in natural light which shows the lovely blue dial and the really popping patina to go with it.

(Pic from their page):

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfaOc3KpTVZ/

fizz · 9 July 2022, 03:46 PM

Looks like there has been a sudden surge in interest/demand for the blue snowflake, no doubt influenced by the prominent presence of the modern (and very popular) BB58 blue that is inspired by it. It seems all the usual suspects here (me included) have been looking for one and based on nearly 6 months of trend seeking, my guess is that:

1) their prices have fallen slightly with the overall cooling of demand (but not by much)
2) a plethora of them have recently hit the market (see other similar threads here).

The debate on the dial colour is an interesting one. There seem to be some variations of the dial (very subtle) but largely depend on what kind of light the image was taken in.

Check out this (highly over priced at over USD 13k) specimen being sold currently by OliverandClark. It doesn't even look blue (but it is...)! I think the colour/fade of the insert really helps (or hurts) that perception.

https://oliverandclarke.com/vintagew...blue-snowflake

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fizz · 9 July 2022, 03:55 PM

Speaking of overpriced, this has been on offer since at least Dec 2021 for the absolutely ridiculous price of USD 17.8 by The Vintage Concept.

Their strategy (which now seems to have backfired with the recent softening of prices or at least price rise) is "Tomorrow's prices, today!".

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

but the blue is very blue on that fake!

ok, this one is somewhat blue, but not fake...

alwayshere · 10 July 2022, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Does this look like a good one, all original?
It is the blue version, but looks more black to me.

this is gonna sound weird but the black version....is blacker.....

btinl · 10 July 2022, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

Does this look like a good one, all original?
It is the blue version, but looks more black to me.

I believe this was previously on eBay from a pawn shop in the bay area. Hands are relumed.

The original seller commented on Paul’s Watch Repair post on IG.

SeaByMe · 10 July 2022, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fizz

Looks like there has been a sudden surge in interest/demand for the blue snowflake, no doubt influenced by the prominent presence of the modern (and very popular) BB58 blue that is inspired by it. It seems all the usual suspects here (me included) have been looking for one and based on nearly 6 months of trend seeking, my guess is that:

1) their prices have fallen slightly with the overall cooling of demand (but not by much)
2) a plethora of them have recently hit the market (see other similar threads here).

The debate on the dial colour is an interesting one. There seem to be some variations of the dial (very subtle) but largely depend on what kind of light the image was taken in.

Check out this (highly over priced at over USD 13k) specimen being sold currently by OliverandClark. It doesn't even look blue (but it is...)! I think the colour/fade of the insert really helps (or hurts) that perception.

https://oliverandclarke.com/vintagew...blue-snowflake

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Note: the Mk2 insert is really nice but looks odd on a snowflake. I don’t think this is “correct”. Just an observation I thought I would share.

linesiders · 10 July 2022, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeaByMe

Note: the Mk2 insert is really nice but looks odd on a snowflake. I don’t think this is “correct”. Just an observation I thought I would share.

It looks great but Long 5MK2 ended in 68, and you would find it on a 7016 Black Rose SPCG. Blue SWISS only SPCG have MK3 blue, and any later black flake has a MK3 Black

zapokee · 11 July 2022, 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by btinl

Hands are relumed.

Relumed very well, to be fair.

MrChamfers · 20 July 2022, 10:29 AM

This is merely a black flake, but I’ve been offered. Should I refuse?

swaini3 · 20 July 2022, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

This is merely a black flake, but I’ve been offered. Should I refuse?

Blue ones are nicer

Dan S · 20 July 2022, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChamfers

This is merely a black flake, but I’ve been offered. Should I refuse?

Buy it if you like it and the price is right.

2 July 2022, 02:49 AM	#1
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	Tudor Snowflake opinions Does this look like a good one, all original? It is the blue version, but looks more black to me.

2 July 2022, 01:23 PM	#2
linesiders 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: RedSox Nation Watch: U Talkn Bout Wilis Posts: 5,425	Looks OK - not sure I like the insert (looks enhanced) and bezel is not sharp. Are you looking for a Blue Flake? Or just curious? __________________ I'm a sailor peg. And I've lost my leg. Climbing up the top sails. I've lost my leg!

3 July 2022, 10:21 PM	#8
TuRo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Real Name: Paul Location: Cantabrigia - G.B Watch: ing the detectives Posts: 2,506	Looks blue dial to me tbh. Watch looks fine and id see it around £6700-7500. __________________ So the graduations hang on the wall, but they never really helped us at all, No they never taught us what was real, Iron and coke, chromium steel, And we're waiting here in Allentown.... ALLENTOWN - Billy Joel

4 July 2022, 01:37 AM	#10
Dan S 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 5,907	Looks totally blue to me, not even a particularly dark blue. Maybe the OP's display settings are off. __________________ @oldwatchdan on IG

9 July 2022, 03:40 PM	#20
fizz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: UAE Posts: 370	The OP's linked 9411/0 blue snowflake was traded apparently by the seller (Paul's watch repair). The asking price was a very fair 9.2k USD, though the bracelet was banged up (deep scratches) and part of the case as well. On their Instagram you can see a video of it in natural light which shows the lovely blue dial and the really popping patina to go with it. (Pic from their page): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfaOc3KpTVZ/ __________________ https://www.instagram.com/watcheswithfizz/

3 July 2022, 08:35 AM	#4
minimalista "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Arizona Posts: 21	I would go for it! Prices seem to have come down and this looks like a stunning example.

3 July 2022, 10:29 AM	#5
Lesnerelli23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: Michigan Posts: 755	I’m considering a snowflake currently as well. It seems really difficult to spot the difference between good aftermarket replacement parts and service parts… I’ve been offered a REALLY REALLY good deal but I have the same issue as you. What’s original, etc… I’ll be watching this thread for anything that could help me too lol. I’ll share if I learn anything on the way as well! Good luck out there!!!

3 July 2022, 03:00 PM	#6
zapokee "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Japan Posts: 4,344	Surely that's a black dial. The blue ones are as blue as blue can be.

3 July 2022, 05:54 PM	#7
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	The blue 9411s are super blue. The 7021s are a little bit tough to distinguish but they generally have lots of bubbles. Post lots of photos !

4 July 2022, 04:58 AM	#11
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	Maybe the screen or my eyes, who knows. Now this no date looks blue to me.

4 July 2022, 06:43 AM	#15
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	but the blue is very blue on that fake! ok, this one is somewhat blue, but not fake...

4 July 2022, 07:47 AM	#16
beachboy17 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Real Name: Marc Location: Lynbrook NY Watch: Tdr Sub 7021 Snflk Posts: 253	Buy the dealer on these Tudors....I purchased this several years ago from reputable vintage dealer. Sent from my SM-G998U using Tapatalk

8 July 2022, 02:27 AM	#19
Jaegodylan "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: UK Posts: 122	What are your thoughts on this one? Is that a service insert? The flat four seems odd for these. “ A Rolex Tudor Prince Oysterdate Snowflake Submariner gentleman's bracelet watch with 'roulette' date, ref. 7021/0, no. 738075, c.1969 Bezel: VG, tow or three light scratches and two tiny silver spots to blue (probably paint spots from manufacture). “

9 July 2022, 03:46 PM	#21
fizz "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: UAE Posts: 370	Looks like there has been a sudden surge in interest/demand for the blue snowflake, no doubt influenced by the prominent presence of the modern (and very popular) BB58 blue that is inspired by it. It seems all the usual suspects here (me included) have been looking for one and based on nearly 6 months of trend seeking, my guess is that: 1) their prices have fallen slightly with the overall cooling of demand (but not by much) 2) a plethora of them have recently hit the market (see other similar threads here). The debate on the dial colour is an interesting one. There seem to be some variations of the dial (very subtle) but largely depend on what kind of light the image was taken in. Check out this (highly over priced at over USD 13k) specimen being sold currently by OliverandClark. It doesn't even look blue (but it is...)! I think the colour/fade of the insert really helps (or hurts) that perception. https://oliverandclarke.com/vintagew...blue-snowflake good restaurants in wilmington __________________ https://www.instagram.com/watcheswithfizz/

20 July 2022, 10:29 AM	#28
MrChamfers Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: USA!! Watch: ing Warriors ball Posts: 710	This is merely a black flake, but I’ve been offered. Should I refuse?

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